Mike Iupati. Give him his asking price and watch the running game go.
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My point was that our interior issues last year were because of a freak injury. There's nothing to suggest that those issues are going to be here again next year *more* than OT issues. We need depth both inside and outside.
I agree, we would have no interior issues if we sign the guy (and he comes as advertised).
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My point was that our interior issues last year were because of a freak injury. There's nothing to suggest that those issues are going to be here again next year *more* than OT issues. We need depth both inside and outside.
I agree, we would have no interior issues if we sign the guy (and he comes as advertised).
My point was that our interior issues last year were because of a freak injury. There's nothing to suggest that those issues are going to be here again next year *more* than OT issues. We need depth both inside and outside.
I agree, we would have no interior issues if we sign the guy (and he comes as advertised).
Correct....depth is a good thing(inside and out).....heck, we could argue that ANY position is at risk if the starter goes down. Im just trying to create an answer for the "first to worst" melt down the O line had last year....
and Im thinking if a tackle goes down, it would hurt us, but we wouldn't fall off the face of the earth like when Mack went down....
And if we dont sign a FA like Wis, then what?....draft 2 OL early, instead of filling D needs?....and then hope they are both instantly good?
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No problem with signing this guy if we have the money and space (we probably do). But we have big issues if JT goes down, which is as likely as Mack.
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yes you sign 2 OL this year.
and no they don't have to be great instantly just better than the backups we had last year.
one in the draft and one in FA?
god forbid one is better than schwartz.....(like that could ever happen).
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Interesting name and not one I'd noticed on the FA list. Hurt his knee in late 2013, but came back to start all 16 last season. How does PFF rate him?
Personally, I think he's the perfect pick up for us......played all 16 of 2011 as OG and rated out fairly decent......then 3 years at C, where he grades out even better......"above avg - but not great"......2014 was by far his worst year, with a -2 overall.....but he was +6 and +8 the other 2 years....
Apparently, he has now turned down 2 contract offers and the Raiders say they are gonna let him test the FA waters.....word is he's looking for $3m.....
The main issue I see with us getting him are he probably wants to start......other than that, I say he's worth the $, even as a back up, because he pretty much solves the OL issues on his own......
... Raiders say they are gonna let him test the FA waters.....word is he's looking for $3m.....
The main issue I see with us getting him are he probably wants to start...
Gotta like a guy who wants to play... If he'll settle for "compete", then maybe, but who on our interior can he beat out?
We had issue in the interior because Mack was injured. Mack, like JT, had never missed a snap, so wasn't considered an injury risk. There's no reason why this year, it isn't JT that gets injured. If he does, we all of a sudden can't protect whoever the QB is - Bitonio played OT at college, but there's a reason every report on him said he would have to move inside in the NFL. It's a bit ridiculous to think that a kid who has played a year of OG in the NFL can fill in for a future HOF LT.
Painter is the big unknown when it comes to OT subs. Measurables were great at Combine, but his combine is a distant memory now.
Bito has to be our de facto back-up at LT. You only have to see him move to see that. Yes, there would be fall-off, but how could there not be? What you have to reduce is the additional fall-off at RG should Bito move outside.
Wiesnewski would do that. So could Willie Colon. So might a few guys in the draft.
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... Raiders say they are gonna let him test the FA waters.....word is he's looking for $3m.....
The main issue I see with us getting him are he probably wants to start...
Gotta like a guy who wants to play... If he'll settle for "compete", then maybe, but who on our interior can he beat out?
We had issue in the interior because Mack was injured. Mack, like JT, had never missed a snap, so wasn't considered an injury risk. There's no reason why this year, it isn't JT that gets injured. If he does, we all of a sudden can't protect whoever the QB is - Bitonio played OT at college, but there's a reason every report on him said he would have to move inside in the NFL. It's a bit ridiculous to think that a kid who has played a year of OG in the NFL can fill in for a future HOF LT.
Painter is the big unknown when it comes to OT subs. Measurables were great at Combine, but his combine is a distant memory now.
Bito has to be our de facto back-up at LT. You only have to see him move to see that. Yes, there would be fall-off, but how could there not be? What you have to reduce is the additional fall-off at RG should Bito move outside.
Wiesnewski would do that. So could Willie Colon. So might a few guys in the draft.
Gotta like a guy who wants to play... If he'll settle for "compete", then maybe, but who on our interior can he beat out?
yep.....considering he's started every game since he's was drafted, Im only assuming his wants......though one of those wants is $3m, which I think we can accommodate....and we can leave the "beat out" part to him....though I certain that wont happen....(there's that driving competition thing again).....
Colon sounds like a good one too......T/G instead of C/G......as long as he still has gas in the tank, then it works for me
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Gotta like a guy who wants to play... If he'll settle for "compete", then maybe, but who on our interior can he beat out?
yep.....considering he's started every game since he's was drafted, Im only assuming his wants......though one of those wants is $3m, which I think we can accommodate....and we can leave the "beat out" part to him....though I certain that wont happen....(there's that driving competition thing again).....
Colon sounds like a good one too......T/G instead of C/G......as long as he still has gas in the tank, then it works for me
Colon sounds like a good one too......T/G instead of C/G......as long as he still has gas in the tank, then it works for me
Willie started every game at RG for the Jets the past two years. I've tabbed Willie in every FanSpeak FA sim I've done. What does PFF say about him?
Aside: Realized asking you about PFF ratings has become a pastime. Just looked and their Annual Premium Statistics looks reasonable for $26.99/ yr. Is that what you have?
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Colon sounds like a good one too......T/G instead of C/G......as long as he still has gas in the tank, then it works for me
Willie started every game at RG for the Jets the past two years. I've tabbed Willie in every FanSpeak FA sim I've done. What does PFF say about him?
Aside: Realized asking you about PFF ratings has become a pastime. Just looked and their Annual Premium Statistics looks reasonable for $26.99/ yr. Is that what you have?
Willie started every game at RG for the Jets the past two years. I've tabbed Willie in every FanSpeak FA sim I've done. What does PFF say about him?
Aside: Realized asking you about PFF ratings has become a pastime. Just looked and their Annual Premium Statistics looks reasonable for $26.99/ yr. Is that what you have?
wellll......he looks a lot like Schwartz, though worse.......very low run blocking scores paired with very high pass blocking scores for a total score of +0.5....one glaring issue is he lead his team in penalties....by a mile(though, this year, the same is true for JT)...
and yes, premium stats,.....couldn't live w/o em......a great way to see the real story behind all the popular stats.....interesting "facts".....ha!
For example, here's an interesting fact for anyone who thinks our LB's were the issue, while our D line wasn't the problem....
Bottom 5 Browns defenders(the worst 5 players, by score).....
Rubin.....-14
Fua........-12
Winn......-8
Bryant....-6.5
Taylor....-6.5
coincidence?.....I dont think so.......
Our best players against the run?
Sheard & Mingo(believe it or not).......Sheard has real nice #'s every year.....a quiet stalwart..
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Willie started every game at RG for the Jets the past two years. I've tabbed Willie in every FanSpeak FA sim I've done. What does PFF say about him?
Aside: Realized asking you about PFF ratings has become a pastime. Just looked and their Annual Premium Statistics looks reasonable for $26.99/ yr. Is that what you have?
wellll......he looks a lot like Schwartz, though worse.......very low run blocking scores paired with very high pass blocking scores for a total score of +0.5....one glaring issue is he lead his team in penalties....by a mile(though, this year, the same is true for JT)...
and yes, premium stats,.....couldn't live w/o em......a great way to see the real story behind all the popular stats.....interesting "facts".....ha!
For example, here's an interesting fact for anyone who thinks our LB's were the issue, while our D line wasn't the problem....
Bottom 5 Browns defenders(the worst 5 players, by score).....
Rubin.....-14
Fua........-12
Winn......-8
Bryant....-6.5
Taylor....-6.5
coincidence?.....I dont think so.......
Our best players against the run?
Sheard & Mingo(believe it or not).......Sheard has real nice #'s every year.....a quiet stalwart..
wellll......he looks a lot like Schwartz, though worse.......very low run blocking scores paired with very high pass blocking scores for a total score of +0.5....one glaring issue is he lead his team in penalties....by a mile(though, this year, the same is true for JT)...
Thanks for the PFF reply.
Jets power run while we ZBS... so a low, Jets' run-block score would not necessarily scare me off... especially when paired with a good pass-block rating.
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wellll......he looks a lot like Schwartz, though worse.......very low run blocking scores paired with very high pass blocking scores for a total score of +0.5....one glaring issue is he lead his team in penalties....by a mile(though, this year, the same is true for JT)...
Thanks for the PFF reply.
Jets power run while we ZBS... so a low, Jets' run-block score would not necessarily scare me off... especially when paired with a good pass-block rating.
Thanks for the PFF reply.
Jets power run while we ZBS... so a low, Jets' run-block score would not necessarily scare me off... especially when paired with a good pass-block rating.
oops.....gave you wrong score......it was -16.5(ouch).....will say their whole O line was in the negative(cept mangold), so a lot of it could be due to them performing poorly as an integral unit
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