How Close We are
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Spot on with Mack, lead to Hoyer not being accurate with no time and no running game ask JF in Natty and for your Colt game again, Damn You Billy (all you got to do is kick) Cundiff...
Nobody has said anything about our kicking game just our special teams in general but does the club need to go out and get a kicker? I think when a kicker misses field goals they should make (40 yard and less) that is a huge momentum stopper. A team drives down the field to at least earn the 3 points they deserve and come away empty. Hartley at least makes the ones he should.
Nobody has said anything about our kicking game just our special teams in general but does the club need to go out and get a kicker? I think when a kicker misses field goals they should make (40 yard and less) that is a huge momentum stopper. A team drives down the field to at least earn the 3 points they deserve and come away empty. Hartley at least makes the ones he should.
No doubt, field position is big to us with our offense that can't get 1st downs at the worst time. Colts got the ball back due to 3 and outs. Hartley sign 2 year till 2016 and we signed a kid from Vandy Casey after the season. Hartley on kickoff's cannot reach the end zone, so that tells me no leg strength on long FG's. At this point, 2 Good K in Draft, but as road workers say "to many holes to fill overnite" and Rnds. 5,6 and 7 with a K on the board will get overrode for other needs. It's more than likely to be the "After Dawson Plan". Auditions will include FA's and cuts from other teams. Hope for better than Hartley or your's and our Field position nightmare's may continue...
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I think we look to bring in some competition at the position. Possibly draft one. I know Gumby thinks we won't draft one in the later rounds, but in the scheme of things, what's better when you have a need, the 27th best linebacker or DT or the 1st or 2nd best kicker prospect? Which guy stands the best chance of sticking and making a positive impact on the team?
I have no problem drafting a kicker. I don't know all the kicker prospects, but if the kid is good, I have no problem plucking one in the 3rd-4th round. Kickers are pretty easy to guage, and if you get your guy, you can possibly keep him 22 years. You don't get that at many positions.
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I think we look to bring in some competition at the position. Possibly draft one. I know Gumby thinks we won't draft one in the later rounds, but in the scheme of things, what's better when you have a need, the 27th best linebacker or DT or the 1st or 2nd best kicker prospect? Which guy stands the best chance of sticking and making a positive impact on the team?
I have no problem drafting a kicker. I don't know all the kicker prospects, but if the kid is good, I have no problem plucking one in the 3rd-4th round. Kickers are pretty easy to guage, and if you get your guy, you can possibly keep him 22 years. You don't get that at many positions.
I think we look to bring in some competition at the position. Possibly draft one. I know Gumby thinks we won't draft one in the later rounds, but in the scheme of things, what's better when you have a need, the 27th best linebacker or DT or the 1st or 2nd best kicker prospect? Which guy stands the best chance of sticking and making a positive impact on the team?
I have no problem drafting a kicker. I don't know all the kicker prospects, but if the kid is good, I have no problem plucking one in the 3rd-4th round. Kickers are pretty easy to guage, and if you get your guy, you can possibly keep him 22 years. You don't get that at many positions.
I just like the idea of us getting an above average kicker. Get a good kicker and they will pay dividends for many years.
," but in the scheme of things, what's better when you have a need, the 27th best linebacker or DT or the 1st or 2nd best kicker prospect? Which guy stands the best chance of sticking and making a positive impact on the team?"
I agree .
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I'll play the devil's advocate here.
The Browns went 2-7 against teams which finished the season with a >.500 record, 5-2 against teams which finished with a <.500 record.
Out of the 16 games next season, 5 of them are against teams which won 8 games or fewer this season. Of these 5, San Francisco is a big question mark and beating the Rams in St Louis is always a tough ask. Of the remaining 11 games, 9 of them are against playoff teams and the remaining two, Chargers and Chiefs (9 win teams), are both on the road.
If the Browns don't improve their play against teams with a winning record, I'm afraid they'll struggle to even match this season's record.
I'll play the devil's advocate here.
The Browns went 2-7 against teams which finished the season with a >.500 record, 5-2 against teams which finished with a <.500 record.
Out of the 16 games next season, 5 of them are against teams which won 8 games or fewer this season. Of these 5, San Francisco is a big question mark and beating the Rams in St Louis is always a tough ask. Of the remaining 11 games, 9 of them are against playoff teams and the remaining two, Chargers and Chiefs (9 win teams), are both on the road.
If the Browns don't improve their play against teams with a winning record, I'm afraid they'll struggle to even match this season's record.
It is a lot tougher schedule but I am also looking at how the Browns compare to the other teams in our division and I saw all the teams in our division as being bunched together with no team standing head and shoulders over any other team.
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I think we look to bring in some competition at the position. Possibly draft one. I know Gumby thinks we won't draft one in the later rounds, but in the scheme of things, what's better when you have a need, the 27th best linebacker or DT or the 1st or 2nd best kicker prospect? Which guy stands the best chance of sticking and making a positive impact on the team?
I have no problem drafting a kicker. I don't know all the kicker prospects, but if the kid is good, I have no problem plucking one in the 3rd-4th round. Kickers are pretty easy to guage, and if you get your guy, you can possibly keep him 22 years. You don't get that at many positions.
I think we look to bring in some competition at the position. Possibly draft one. I know Gumby thinks we won't draft one in the later rounds, but in the scheme of things, what's better when you have a need, the 27th best linebacker or DT or the 1st or 2nd best kicker prospect? Which guy stands the best chance of sticking and making a positive impact on the team?
I have no problem drafting a kicker. I don't know all the kicker prospects, but if the kid is good, I have no problem plucking one in the 3rd-4th round. Kickers are pretty easy to guage, and if you get your guy, you can possibly keep him 22 years. You don't get that at many positions.
Totally agree- as long as you don't go Al Davis and draft Janikowski or Guy in the first round.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Come on man, you can't possibly believe this? If Shani was the dysfunction then the Browns should be good to go now that he is gone......right? No Josh Gordon dysfunction.....no Johnny Manziel dysfunction....... no QB dysfunction.......no text gate dysfunction.....no patchwork coaching staff dysfunction..... no meddling owner dysfunction.....no laughable draft history dysfunction.....
It's so Cleveland to say that the guy who wanted out was the dysfunction but the common denominator is the Browns; and they have decades of history that proves it.
If Pettine got the coaches he wanted I'm good with that. Shannahan is chronic complainer, I am not unhappy to see him gone. I don't blame the Browns for Gordon's actions. The Browns did make a terrible pick with Manziel. We have had more problems than other NFL teams in nailing down a starting quarterback. The owner is new. If he has made some mistakes I give him enough credit he will learn from them.
A huge problem for the Browns has been stability and continuity. The team of Haslam, Farmer and Pettine has been working together for a year. I want to see where we are at in three years.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Every team in the NFL has injuries every year. If you could look at the Browns from the outside, it's pretty easy to see the dysfunction, you and most Browns fans simply can't look at it objectively.
We see the dysfunction in the Browns...
but all that dysfunction would go away with just 2-3 prime time players. Particularly a qb.
The Steelers are more dysfunctional. Your canning DC LeBeau when he didn't want to leave is a fuck of a lot bigger loss than our losing OC Shanahan. We had our WR get suspended for second hand smoke. Your entire backfield engaged in tag team toking.
Your rapist got over on it....and he is the sole reason essentially that your team now performs well. And that means everything.
Basically the same can be said about the Pats. Spygate, Deflategate. Triple Murderergate. But they have Tom Brady...and that means everything.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Come on man, you can't possibly believe this? If Shani was the dysfunction then the Browns should be good to go now that he is gone......right? No Josh Gordon dysfunction.....no Johnny Manziel dysfunction....... no QB dysfunction.......no text gate dysfunction.....no patchwork coaching staff dysfunction..... no meddling owner dysfunction.....no laughable draft history dysfunction.....
It's so Cleveland to say that the guy who wanted out was the dysfunction but the common denominator is the Browns; and they have decades of history that proves it.
Again, no bigger problems than your team and others have. But whattayou got that we ain't got?
A fucking franchise Quarterback.
See another thread where the Browns have had some of the most productive drafts over a few year period. Your team is more draft dysfunctional than ours.
But we don't have a fucking QB.
It makes all the difference.
You are ignorant if you think otherwise.
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@douche-nozzle said:
But the Steelers dysfunction is in your imagination and the imagination of other Browns fans, the Browns dysfunction is rampant, long standing and plain and simple fact. I know....facts are a four letter word when it comes to the Browns.
So? I just made up the arrests of Bell and Blount for smoking dope. I just made up the fact that the Steelers unceremoniously dumped a DC who is considered perhaps the best asst. coach in the history of football. I just made up the rape allegations vs. Big Rape.
I created these as figments of my imagination.
No, the Steeler dysfunction is there. It is real. Its just that you have what it takes to make up for it. A franchise QB.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Well let's see:
A long standing history of success
A long standing history a being a model franchise
A long standing history of greatness
A long standing history of contention
A long standing history of being what lesser franchises aspire to
A long standing history of consistency
I could go on but I'm sure you have already blanked out the truth and are thinking up your next foolish retort.
The Browns have had all of that in spades over what the Steelers have.
But all that don't do diddly for you, right here, right now.
Right here, right now, it is all about the QB.
Why am I not surprised that you are ignorant of that fact?
In recent years what you have had in those areas have been based on two factors: A great defense run by a great DC and a franchise QB.
Now you no longer have one of those elements.
And we shall see if the other holds up.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Give it a rest, ....
That....right there.......says it all......
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I think we look to bring in some competition at the position. Possibly draft one. I know Gumby thinks we won't draft one in the later rounds, but in the scheme of things, what's better when you have a need, the 27th best linebacker or DT or the 1st or 2nd best kicker prospect? Which guy stands the best chance of sticking and making a positive impact on the team?
I have no problem drafting a kicker. I don't know all the kicker prospects, but if the kid is good, I have no problem plucking one in the 3rd-4th round. Kickers are pretty easy to guage, and if you get your guy, you can possibly keep him 22 years. You don't get that at many positions.
Totally agree- as long as you don't go Al Davis and draft Janikowski or Guy in the first round.
Totally agree- as long as you don't go Al Davis and draft Janikowski or Guy in the first round.
I agree with that, but then again, I would be hard pressed to say either was a blown pick. That said, I would probably be uncomfortable if we selected one in the 3rd and probably wouldn't care much if we selected one in the 4th, and am totally good using a 5th rounder on a kicker.
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I think we look to bring in some competition at the position. Possibly draft one. I know Gumby thinks we won't draft one in the later rounds, but in the scheme of things, what's better when you have a need, the 27th best linebacker or DT or the 1st or 2nd best kicker prospect? Which guy stands the best chance of sticking and making a positive impact on the team?
I have no problem drafting a kicker. I don't know all the kicker prospects, but if the kid is good, I have no problem plucking one in the 3rd-4th round. Kickers are pretty easy to guage, and if you get your guy, you can possibly keep him 22 years. You don't get that at many positions.
Totally agree- as long as you don't go Al Davis and draft Janikowski or Guy in the first round.
Totally agree- as long as you don't go Al Davis and draft Janikowski or Guy in the first round.
Yeah that'd suck to have the best kicker in the NFL for 12 years. ...
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@douche-nozzle said:
Every team in the NFL has injuries every year. If you could look at the Browns from the outside, it's pretty easy to see the dysfunction, you and most Browns fans simply can't look at it objectively.
The Game is played on the field. See You there and bring those yellow rags to wipe your tears than wipe your ass on the way out. There is a site for you and it's not here go watch Merrill Hodge we can't.C ya.
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What's a punter like this one from Alabama worth? The value of having a punter who can put opposing teams consistently in bad field position with great punting? I would think he could be a number one pick. As the Browns try to improve the talent on the team the kicking game cannot be ignored either.
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What's a punter like this one from Alabama worth? The value of having a punter who can put opposing teams consistently in bad field position with great punting? I would think he could be a number one pick. As the Browns try to improve the talent on the team the kicking game cannot be ignored either.
What's a punter like this one from Alabama worth? The value of having a punter who can put opposing teams consistently in bad field position with great punting? I would think he could be a number one pick. As the Browns try to improve the talent on the team the kicking game cannot be ignored either.
i didn't like cundiff and i still don't like lanning.
but a #1?
maybe the first pick in the 4th round.
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I would love to see this guy from Alabama punting for the Browns. Maybe not a number one but I never thought the Raiders did bad by drafting Ray Guy in the first round. He produced for them for many years.
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Yeah that'd suck to have the best kicker in the NFL for 12 years. ...
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Steve- we had one of the best for many years- in Phil Dawson. How many Championships did that get us?
What's a punter like this one from Alabama worth? The value of having a punter who can put opposing teams consistently in bad field position with great punting? I would think he could be a number one pick. As the Browns try to improve the talent on the team the kicking game cannot be ignored either.
It can't be ignored- but it should be put in perspective. I think you can still count the number of kickers and punters taken in the first two rounds on your fingers. & two of them were by Al Davis.
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Yeah that'd suck to have the best kicker in the NFL for 12 years. ...
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Steve- we had one of the best for many years- in Phil Dawson. How many Championships did that get us?
What's a punter like this one from Alabama worth? The value of having a punter who can put opposing teams consistently in bad field position with great punting? I would think he could be a number one pick. As the Browns try to improve the talent on the team the kicking game cannot be ignored either.
It can't be ignored- but it should be put in perspective. I think you can still count the number of kickers and punters taken in the first two rounds on your fingers. & two of them were by Al Davis.
Steve- we had one of the best for many years- in Phil Dawson. How many Championships did that get us?
And the best wr in the NFLwho won us how many games?
And where are our last 12 1st round picks?
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