O-line Draft Class of 2015
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It would be amazing if Clemmings fell to the #19 pick. I'd grab him in a heartbeat.
It would be amazing if Clemmings fell to the #19 pick. I'd grab him in a heartbeat.
Tour, can you talk a little bit more about Clemmings? He seems to be in a lot of mocks for the Browns at #19.
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Tour, can you talk a little bit more about Clemmings? He seems to be in a lot of mocks for the Browns at #19.
Not a lot more... Clemmings looks very solid on tape. Good technique, good fluid motion. He's very close to Peat, but just not as silky smooth to my eye. Peat looks effortless; TJ looks to be trying a little.
Thing is that he is at RT in game tapes I saw, so I can't project him at LT. Some players flip sides without issue, but others can't... and it does not correlate with how good they are on one side. Should get some idea of this at the Combine.
No doubt in my mind that TJ would upgrade our RT situation, but to spend a first round pick on him. I'd have to be convinced he is also my next LT.
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Spent a little time with three OU players today, LT, RT and LG.
Nothing of note except OU needs a new O-line coach. All three play like sumo wrestlers...
LT Tyrus Thompson: Oklahoma (02-13-15) vs. WVU - Slow, no tech.. no kick drop; no fireout, awkward,
RT Daryl Williams: Oklahoma (02-13-15) vs. WVU - fledgling kick, ugly chop with bit wide stance and lean, mild fire a bit upright, crosses feet in retreat
OG Adam Shead: OU (02-13-15) vs. WVU - Moved OK on one pull, better pass drop than OTs, no fire
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DirtyOldMan.
I might fit that mold as well, but I'll tell you, the only thing that has changed is the "Old" part.
Your day will arrive soon enough, unless you end up like Bruce Jenner and want a sex change operation or you lose your interest in sex.
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DirtyOldMan.
At least I like women......as Peen noted....you are probably thrilled by Jenner's sex change, eh?
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Forgot one yesterday and he was my first real surprise, 2nd round rated prospect, Ty Sambrailo. Now my #3 value prospect, I think he may move inside. Dawned on me late as to why... "reminds me of Bito".
Raw notes:
Ty Sambrailo: Colorado St. (02-13-15) vs. SanJose St/BC - fledgling kick, good chop steps, decent posture, unchallenged by SJ, runs well and under control, reminds of Bito; conditioning? some fall off late 1st half vs. BC, can pull. Good discipline, quick decisions. Strength?
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Notes on Jake Fisher...
Looked like a world beater vs. UCLA and FSU, but Buckeye's exposed susceptibility to inside rush. Still looked good enough to slide into #4 slot for now...
Jake Fisher; Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - funny split v UCLA, no kick drop, but chops well with good seat, good shadowing, runs well & drives well, looks lean can add lbs, stands tall, got bulled once, looked lean in white, but now thicker in green (v FSU), 3 diff OSU DEs lined up, only difficulty was with quicks of OSU "LB" #43, beatable cross face? Yes... 43 showed way and other DEs followed. -
Notes on Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU
Had 2014 tape of Cedric at both LT and RT. It is easy to see why he was moved back to RT. Much more natural movement on the right side; looked the part there. That said he lacks technique on both sides. While he was out of position often, his opponents' inability to capitalize made him seem more effective than he really was.
Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU (02-14-15) LT vs. MissSt/SCar; RT vs. Auburn - bad tech, mini kick, weak chop, no base - feet too close; pops up to start run block, almost hops and ends up out of position; escorts well, but low anticipation; @RT v Miss more confident and moved better, but tech still weak; still no drop step.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Notes on Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU
Had 2014 tape of Cedric at both LT and RT. It is easy to see why he was moved back to RT. Much more natural movement on the right side; looked the part there. That said he lacks technique on both sides. While he was out of position often, his opponents' inability to capitalize made him seem more effective than he really was.
Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU (02-14-15) LT vs. MissSt/SCar; RT vs. Auburn - bad tech, mini kick, weak chop, no base - feet too close; pops up to start run block, almost hops and ends up out of position; escorts well, but low anticipation; @RT v Miss more confident and moved better, but tech still weak; still no drop step.
Notes on Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU
Had 2014 tape of Cedric at both LT and RT. It is easy to see why he was moved back to RT. Much more natural movement on the right side; looked the part there. That said he lacks technique on both sides. While he was out of position often, his opponents' inability to capitalize made him seem more effective than he really was.
Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU (02-14-15) LT vs. MissSt/SCar; RT vs. Auburn - bad tech, mini kick, weak chop, no base - feet too close; pops up to start run block, almost hops and ends up out of position; escorts well, but low anticipation; @RT v Miss more confident and moved better, but tech still weak; still no drop step.
Wasn't it our resident Aggie pimping this kid as a mortal lock for the 1st round and top OT?
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My first Center and one I had some hopes for, but strength question was raised vs. OSU. We made great line adjustments exposing weaknesses in both Hronis and Jake Fisher.
C Hronis Grasu: Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - good head/ line calls, but can't handle D-line 1 on 1; lotta 2nd level with good movement, Strength is big question.
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Tour-take a look at Collins in Senior Bowl tape. I thought I might be wrong which bowl when I did not find him on one of the SB rosters, but he was in it and played very well.
"Wasn't it our resident Aggie pimping this kid as a mortal lock for the 1st round and top OT?"
Me and a lot of other folks who do it for a living early in the year. The experiment from R to L did not work as well as hoped. He is more natural on the R side and would be a steal for the long run in the 3rd if he is still there. Plus his first 2 years were at RG so he has versatility.
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Tour2ma what are your thoughts on Jake Fisher? I saw a few scouts on Twitter yesterday saying he had some of the best hands among OTs in this year's draft.
Tour2ma what are your thoughts on Jake Fisher? I saw a few scouts on Twitter yesterday saying he had some of the best hands among OTs in this year's draft.
Notes on Jake Fisher...
Looked like a world beater vs. UCLA and FSU, but Buckeye's exposed susceptibility to inside rush. Still looked good enough to slide into #4 slot for now...
Jake Fisher; Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - funny split v UCLA, no kick drop, but chops well with good seat, good shadowing, runs well & drives well, looks lean can add lbs, stands tall, got bulled once, looked lean in white, but now thicker in green (v FSU), 3 diff OSU DEs lined up, only difficulty was with quicks of OSU "LB" #43, beatable cross face? Yes... 43 showed way and other DEs followed.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Tour2ma what are your thoughts on Jake Fisher? I saw a few scouts on Twitter yesterday saying he had some of the best hands among OTs in this year's draft.
Notes on Jake Fisher...
Looked like a world beater vs. UCLA and FSU, but Buckeye's exposed susceptibility to inside rush. Still looked good enough to slide into #4 slot for now...
Jake Fisher; Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - funny split v UCLA, no kick drop, but chops well with good seat, good shadowing, runs well & drives well, looks lean can add lbs, stands tall, got bulled once, looked lean in white, but now thicker in green (v FSU), 3 diff OSU DEs lined up, only difficulty was with quicks of OSU "LB" #43, beatable cross face? Yes... 43 showed way and other DEs followed.
Notes on Jake Fisher...
Looked like a world beater vs. UCLA and FSU, but Buckeye's exposed susceptibility to inside rush. Still looked good enough to slide into #4 slot for now...
Jake Fisher; Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - funny split v UCLA, no kick drop, but chops well with good seat, good shadowing, runs well & drives well, looks lean can add lbs, stands tall, got bulled once, looked lean in white, but now thicker in green (v FSU), 3 diff OSU DEs lined up, only difficulty was with quicks of OSU "LB" #43, beatable cross face? Yes... 43 showed way and other DEs followed.
My bad, I was reading through your review of OTs in post #2 and didn't check page 2 of the thread. I'm surprised to see you rank Collins so low however, most consider him to be round 1 lock.
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Yeah, I've kinda gotten caught between two different ways of organizing the reviews and need to clean it up.
On Collins... I may have him too low. I want to go back and take 2nd look at a player or two that I looked at early. Feels like my observations may have improved (or at least changed) as I've gone along.
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At least I like women......as Peen noted....you are probably thrilled by Jenner's sex change, eh?
thrilled? not me. i could give a rat's ass. but from what you've told me the doctor should be thrilled. because, as you know, there's not much to lop off.
and you always thought that thing you were sucking on was a clit.
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