Rumor: Browns interested in trading up for Mariota
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Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
That's besides the point. I'd rather put high picks into players that will contribute at other positions as opposed to drafting QB's that are most likely going to end up like Blaine Gabbert.
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Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
That's besides the point. I'd rather put high picks into players that will contribute at other positions as opposed to drafting QB's that are most likely going to end up like Blaine Gabbert.
That's besides the point. I'd rather put high picks into players that will contribute at other positions as opposed to drafting QB's that are most likely going to end up like Blaine Gabbert.
besides the point is who gives a fuck who you would rather pick?
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besides the point is who gives a fuck who you would rather pick?
Uhhhh. I do, for starters.
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My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
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My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
Zombo said:
My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
So you believe a team lead by Mariota would beat those three?
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I'm certainly no expert, so I'll defer those who are, but I AM of the belief that there may not be a franchise type QB in any given draft. I don't want to see us trading up JUST to take a QB. If the experts think there IS one or more worthy of such a move, they'll make it. When I look at the number of contributing players they brought in last off season, I'll trust them on this one.
Right now, the draft is purely speculation, so we'll see what happens.
Mike
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My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
Zombo said:
My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
Z, as others have said Mariota got exposed by Ohio State. I certainly didn't like what I saw either. MHO- is he's JFF II- without the outside baggage. Certainly not worth risking the three years of hell if he busts- It's going to take the Browns an RG III type deal to move up high enough to draft him. He is NOT a surefire, can't miss prospect- you can look up the scouting reports if you don't believe me. Neither is Winston for that matter- but if I had to roll the dice selling the ranch to move up- I'll put my money on Famous Jameis instead. He at least ran a pro style offense.
PS- and I'd take Cardale Jones over either of them. 12 Guage continues on his current pace- he's going to be the 2016 #1 overall- and no one will trade out of it either.
Yes indeed we're in quarterback hell once again. But barring a JFF miracle, I don't see any viable way out this year.
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The idea of getting the QB right is when the opportunity presents its self and all can see.
To me, that isn't Mariota. As by the day I see Winston being the #1 overall now that Tampa has let McCown go.
You're right, thus team does need to invest a top 10 pick into a QB eventually. This isn't the year for that.
The idea of getting the QB right is when the opportunity presents its self and all can see.
You're right, thus team does need to invest a top 10 pick into a QB eventually. This isn't the year for that.
As has been said... when all can see, then you have to have (or get) the #1 overall.
I agree Jameis is first off the board. I agree MM is not the one. But we also do not stand pat. Somewhere in this draft is enough promise to invest a pick.
You always have o be searching for your next QB.
If we're gonna have a small read option QB scampering out of the pocket for his life on every down i'd pretty much rather it be Manziel cause A) we already have him don't have to give up shit and
He's short but sturdier than Mariota, a lot sturdier. Mariota is faster but he will get Vick'ed out of the league in a few years if whatever team he goes to has him running consistently.I don't want to go all in on MM either, but not due to his running. I see nothing Manziel frantic in Mariota's running.
Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
Exactly why you have to keep casting the net...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The idea of getting the QB right is when the opportunity presents its self and all can see.
You're right, thus team does need to invest a top 10 pick into a QB eventually. This isn't the year for that.
As has been said... when all can see, then you have to have (or get) the #1 overall.
I agree Jameis is first off the board. I agree MM is not the one. But we also do not stand pat. Somewhere in this draft is enough promise to invest a pick.
You always have o be searching for your next QB.
If we're gonna have a small read option QB scampering out of the pocket for his life on every down i'd pretty much rather it be Manziel cause A) we already have him don't have to give up shit and
He's short but sturdier than Mariota, a lot sturdier. Mariota is faster but he will get Vick'ed out of the league in a few years if whatever team he goes to has him running consistently.I don't want to go all in on MM either, but not due to his running. I see nothing Manziel frantic in Mariota's running.
Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
Exactly why you have to keep casting the net...
As has been said... when all can see, then you have to have (or get) the #1 overall.
I agree Jameis is first off the board. I agree MM is not the one. But we also do not stand pat. Somewhere in this draft is enough promise to invest a pick.
You know whom my feelings are on that one.
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Zombo said:
My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
Z, as others have said Mariota got exposed by Ohio State. I certainly didn't like what I saw either. MHO- is he's JFF II- without the outside baggage. Certainly not worth risking the three years of hell if he busts- It's going to take the Browns an RG III type deal to move up high enough to draft him. He is NOT a surefire, can't miss prospect- you can look up the scouting reports if you don't believe me. Neither is Winston for that matter- but if I had to roll the dice selling the ranch to move up- I'll put my money on Famous Jameis instead. He at least ran a pro style offense.
PS- and I'd take Cardale Jones over either of them. 12 Guage continues on his current pace- he's going to be the 2016 #1 overall- and no one will trade out of it either.
Yes indeed we're in quarterback hell once again. But barring a JFF miracle, I don't see any viable way out this year.
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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this is my position on the whole deal draft-wise.
what are our major holes on defense? a defense that could be top 5 in the league next year if prospects are drafted correctly? 1-2 DL (rubin gone, taylor hurt)? ILB? that's 3 right off the top.
so instead of upgrading and cementing the D to be the best in our conference, if not the division, we waste those 3 picks and hope on a wing and a prayer that one of these 2 QBs would pan out and be a starter from day one?
GTFO.
give me those 3 D picks a WR a backup C and a RT then in between if a guy like hundley or petty or mannion present themselves by all means throw in the card.
but to think the browns are only a QB away from being true contenders is ridiculous at this point.
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Zombo said:
My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
So you believe a team lead by Mariota would beat those three?
So you believe a team lead by Mariota would beat those three?
I think we need to find a gooddamn quarterback.
I think it is objective number one.
I have no idea if Mariotta is going to be the guy, but I want the Browns to go after whoever they think is the best guy out there draft/trade/fa.
Finding a franchise QB is job #1. Keep taking shots at it.
We have two SEC midgets, neither of whom are pocket passers, on our roster. One is raw and undrafted, the other is raw and overdrafted ... and in rehab.
The fucking position needs to be addressed.
Z
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Zombo said:
My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
Z, as others have said Mariota got exposed by Ohio State. I certainly didn't like what I saw either. MHO- is he's JFF II- without the outside baggage. Certainly not worth risking the three years of hell if he busts- It's going to take the Browns an RG III type deal to move up high enough to draft him. He is NOT a surefire, can't miss prospect- you can look up the scouting reports if you don't believe me. Neither is Winston for that matter- but if I had to roll the dice selling the ranch to move up- I'll put my money on Famous Jameis instead. He at least ran a pro style offense.
PS- and I'd take Cardale Jones over either of them. 12 Guage continues on his current pace- he's going to be the 2016 #1 overall- and no one will trade out of it either.
Yes indeed we're in quarterback hell once again. But barring a JFF miracle, I don't see any viable way out this year.
Cardale Jones is not in this draft. Who knows where he will be rated next year and where we will be drafting. I couldnt give two shits about him right now, we need to pick the right guy for 2015 ... unless you think he is on the roster.Z, as others have said Mariota got exposed by Ohio State. I certainly didn't like what I saw either. MHO- is he's JFF II- without the outside baggage. Certainly not worth risking the three years of hell if he busts- It's going to take the Browns an RG III type deal to move up high enough to draft him. He is NOT a surefire, can't miss prospect- you can look up the scouting reports if you don't believe me. Neither is Winston for that matter- but if I had to roll the dice selling the ranch to move up- I'll put my money on Famous Jameis instead. He at least ran a pro style offense.
PS- and I'd take Cardale Jones over either of them. 12 Guage continues on his current pace- he's going to be the 2016 #1 overall- and no one will trade out of it either.
Yes indeed we're in quarterback hell once again. But barring a JFF miracle, I don't see any viable way out this year.
Z
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So you believe a team lead by Mariota would beat those three?
I think we need to find a gooddamn quarterback.
I think it is objective number one.
I have no idea if Mariotta is going to be the guy, but I want the Browns to go after whoever they think is the best guy out there draft/trade/fa.
Finding a franchise QB is job #1. Keep taking shots at it.
We have two SEC midgets, neither of whom are pocket passers, on our roster. One is raw and undrafted, the other is raw and overdrafted ... and in rehab.
The fucking position needs to be addressed.
Z
Zombo said:
I think we need to find a gooddamn quarterback.
I think it is objective number one.
I have no idea if Mariotta is going to be the guy, but I want the Browns to go after whoever they think is the best guy out there draft/trade/fa.
Finding a franchise QB is job #1. Keep taking shots at it.
We have two SEC midgets, neither of whom are pocket passers, on our roster. One is raw and undrafted, the other is raw and overdrafted ... and in rehab.
The fucking position needs to be addressed.
Z
You said a lot, yet still didn't answer my question.
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1) Mariota is not a savior of anything.
He's not even the day1 starter.
He IS NOT ACCURATE under pressure in college .. what magical unicorn thinking allows anyone reading this thread to convince themselves that he'll be Tarkenton just because he's now getting paid? He still sucks.
2) The 2014 Browns defense was not magnificent.. and the 2015 version will be missing both Skrine and Sheard at minimum. We cannot afford to throw away bucketloads of picks for a guy who is barely a backup.
Don't forget: We'd be also giving up the opportunity to get Shelton at NT to replace the flaps of skin labeled Rubin and Taylor, and upgrades at OT/OLB/ILB.. the players we would have taken at those pick positions. News flash: Robinson is not good. Mingo is a substitute, not a 1st round difference-maker. And who do we have at RT?
Will a QB depth chart consisting only of Heisman winners give us a free 12 points at the start of the game? No?
Then don't waste one moment of anyone's time even contemplating this nonsense.
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I've read everything posted on this and it is a close call. Good arguments on anyway we go. We need a quarterback. That is our most pressing need. We also need to upgrade defense to stop the run. We need a wide receiver. So we have multiple needs. Then you have to prioritize what is the most important? Probably quarterback but is this a good year for that? It doesn't seem to be.
For me the safest bet is to resign Hoyer if possible and get the other upgrades. Let Manziel try to beat him out as starter in pre-season. Hoyer is good enough to be a bridge quarterback until the right time comes to try for the franchise quarterback. That is not a great option either after witnessing the collapse of our offense the second half of the season. I have to wonder though how much losing Mack and our run game dropping off after that was the main reason for Hoyer struggling? It seems like any quarterback would struggle without a run game.
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A lot more foolish to ignore the needs of the team that have cost us success by squandering resources on 3 quarterbacks every season.
WSS
We gotta get one.
Brady
Wilson
Rodgers
Luck
Manning
Romo
Flacco
Cam
Those were the Quarterbacks of the last eight teams standing last year.
We have Manziel and Shaw.
C'mon man.
If you don't get the Qb right, everything else goes to waste.
Zombo
Zombo said:
We gotta get one.
Brady
Wilson
Rodgers
Luck
Manning
Romo
Flacco
Cam
Those were the Quarterbacks of the last eight teams standing last year.
We have Manziel and Shaw.
C'mon man.
If you don't get the Qb right, everything else goes to waste.
Zombo
Don't get me wrong. I am not saying we head in to the season with just JF and Shaw. All I am saying is it would be foolish to simply kick JF to the curb without one more good look.
It makes no sense.
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this is my position on the whole deal draft-wise.
what are our major holes on defense? a defense that could be top 5 in the league next year if prospects are drafted correctly? 1-2 DL (rubin gone, taylor hurt)? ILB? that's 3 right off the top.
so instead of upgrading and cementing the D to be the best in our conference, if not the division, we waste those 3 picks and hope on a wing and a prayer that one of these 2 QBs would pan out and be a starter from day one?
GTFO.
give me those 3 D picks a WR a backup C and a RT then in between if a guy like hundley or petty or mannion present themselves by all means throw in the card.
but to think the browns are only a QB away from being true contenders is ridiculous at this point.
this is my position on the whole deal draft-wise.
what are our major holes on defense? a defense that could be top 5 in the league next year if prospects are drafted correctly? 1-2 DL (rubin gone, taylor hurt)? ILB? that's 3 right off the top.
so instead of upgrading and cementing the D to be the best in our conference, if not the division, we waste those 3 picks and hope on a wing and a prayer that one of these 2 QBs would pan out and be a starter from day one?
GTFO.
give me those 3 D picks a WR a backup C and a RT then in between if a guy like hundley or petty or mannion present themselves by all means throw in the card.
but to think the browns are only a QB away from being true contenders is ridiculous at this point.
everything Mik just said x100. The two dominant teams in our division built their defensive core first then went out and found a QB. If we fuck about wasting resources on finding a QB we're going to miss this small window where the North teams are restructuring. We need a defense to compete with them. A mean one. We don't have that I don't care if we bring Brady in here he won't get shit done.
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