Rumor: Browns interested in trading up for Mariota
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@douche-nozzle said:
The importance of a franchise QB is essential but putting one on the Browns right now would be a waste.
Id also like to point out that the teams those QB's had when they started out were quite good talent wise around their young QB.
Wilson had a strong run game and defense to rely on. Cam had a similar situation plus the resurgence of Steve Smith.
Peyton might have had the worse situation, but that still including Marvin Harrison, Faulk and Terik Glenn on offense.
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@douche-nozzle said:
You can't apply the rules of a functional organization with a realistically close team to the Browns Pusscakes. Despite the coolaid you drink, and the lies you tell yourself, a franchise QB would improve the Browns record enough to see them come a game or two closer to third place in the division but would still be a waste until they build a team starting with FO, coaching, and core players.....after they have that in place for a few years in a row then a franchise QB would be the ticket.
So, we wouldn't just beat up on the Steelers, 31-10, we would also gain some spots in th estandings?
What's not to like?
Zombo
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@douche-nozzle said:
You can't apply the rules of a functional organization with a realistically close team to the Browns Pusscakes. Despite the coolaid you drink, and the lies you tell yourself, a franchise QB would improve the Browns record enough to see them come a game or two closer to third place in the division but would still be a waste until they build a team starting with FO, coaching, and core players.....after they have that in place for a few years in a row then a franchise QB would be the ticket.
So having someone like Aaron Rodgers on this team, with the offense and defense staying healthy- we finish no better than 3rd in the division? And you honestly believe that?
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well if you figure someone might be willing to trade with us to move up (and garner yet another first rounder for next year) considering our 'beast' schedule which everyone is already picking us to finish worse than last season, wouldn't we be in better shape to do that next year?
well if you figure someone might be willing to trade with us to move up (and garner yet another first rounder for next year) considering our 'beast' schedule which everyone is already picking us to finish worse than last season, wouldn't we be in better shape to do that next year?
"There's always next year" How long have we been saying that?
Why do we always think the next great QB will be there for us next year?
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well if you figure someone might be willing to trade with us to move up (and garner yet another first rounder for next year) considering our 'beast' schedule which everyone is already picking us to finish worse than last season, wouldn't we be in better shape to do that next year?
"There's always next year" How long have we been saying that?
Why do we always think the next great QB will be there for us next year?
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Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
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Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
That's besides the point. I'd rather put high picks into players that will contribute at other positions as opposed to drafting QB's that are most likely going to end up like Blaine Gabbert.
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Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
That's besides the point. I'd rather put high picks into players that will contribute at other positions as opposed to drafting QB's that are most likely going to end up like Blaine Gabbert.
That's besides the point. I'd rather put high picks into players that will contribute at other positions as opposed to drafting QB's that are most likely going to end up like Blaine Gabbert.
besides the point is who gives a fuck who you would rather pick?
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besides the point is who gives a fuck who you would rather pick?
Uhhhh. I do, for starters.
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My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
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My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
Zombo said:
My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
So you believe a team lead by Mariota would beat those three?
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I'm certainly no expert, so I'll defer those who are, but I AM of the belief that there may not be a franchise type QB in any given draft. I don't want to see us trading up JUST to take a QB. If the experts think there IS one or more worthy of such a move, they'll make it. When I look at the number of contributing players they brought in last off season, I'll trust them on this one.
Right now, the draft is purely speculation, so we'll see what happens.
Mike
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My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
Zombo said:
My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
Z, as others have said Mariota got exposed by Ohio State. I certainly didn't like what I saw either. MHO- is he's JFF II- without the outside baggage. Certainly not worth risking the three years of hell if he busts- It's going to take the Browns an RG III type deal to move up high enough to draft him. He is NOT a surefire, can't miss prospect- you can look up the scouting reports if you don't believe me. Neither is Winston for that matter- but if I had to roll the dice selling the ranch to move up- I'll put my money on Famous Jameis instead. He at least ran a pro style offense.
PS- and I'd take Cardale Jones over either of them. 12 Guage continues on his current pace- he's going to be the 2016 #1 overall- and no one will trade out of it either.
Yes indeed we're in quarterback hell once again. But barring a JFF miracle, I don't see any viable way out this year.
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The idea of getting the QB right is when the opportunity presents its self and all can see.
To me, that isn't Mariota. As by the day I see Winston being the #1 overall now that Tampa has let McCown go.
You're right, thus team does need to invest a top 10 pick into a QB eventually. This isn't the year for that.
The idea of getting the QB right is when the opportunity presents its self and all can see.
You're right, thus team does need to invest a top 10 pick into a QB eventually. This isn't the year for that.
As has been said... when all can see, then you have to have (or get) the #1 overall.
I agree Jameis is first off the board. I agree MM is not the one. But we also do not stand pat. Somewhere in this draft is enough promise to invest a pick.
You always have o be searching for your next QB.
If we're gonna have a small read option QB scampering out of the pocket for his life on every down i'd pretty much rather it be Manziel cause A) we already have him don't have to give up shit and
He's short but sturdier than Mariota, a lot sturdier. Mariota is faster but he will get Vick'ed out of the league in a few years if whatever team he goes to has him running consistently.I don't want to go all in on MM either, but not due to his running. I see nothing Manziel frantic in Mariota's running.
Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
Exactly why you have to keep casting the net...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The idea of getting the QB right is when the opportunity presents its self and all can see.
You're right, thus team does need to invest a top 10 pick into a QB eventually. This isn't the year for that.
As has been said... when all can see, then you have to have (or get) the #1 overall.
I agree Jameis is first off the board. I agree MM is not the one. But we also do not stand pat. Somewhere in this draft is enough promise to invest a pick.
You always have o be searching for your next QB.
If we're gonna have a small read option QB scampering out of the pocket for his life on every down i'd pretty much rather it be Manziel cause A) we already have him don't have to give up shit and
He's short but sturdier than Mariota, a lot sturdier. Mariota is faster but he will get Vick'ed out of the league in a few years if whatever team he goes to has him running consistently.I don't want to go all in on MM either, but not due to his running. I see nothing Manziel frantic in Mariota's running.
Who the hell knows when there will be a great Quarterback?
Exactly why you have to keep casting the net...
As has been said... when all can see, then you have to have (or get) the #1 overall.
I agree Jameis is first off the board. I agree MM is not the one. But we also do not stand pat. Somewhere in this draft is enough promise to invest a pick.
You know whom my feelings are on that one.
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Zombo said:
My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
Z, as others have said Mariota got exposed by Ohio State. I certainly didn't like what I saw either. MHO- is he's JFF II- without the outside baggage. Certainly not worth risking the three years of hell if he busts- It's going to take the Browns an RG III type deal to move up high enough to draft him. He is NOT a surefire, can't miss prospect- you can look up the scouting reports if you don't believe me. Neither is Winston for that matter- but if I had to roll the dice selling the ranch to move up- I'll put my money on Famous Jameis instead. He at least ran a pro style offense.
PS- and I'd take Cardale Jones over either of them. 12 Guage continues on his current pace- he's going to be the 2016 #1 overall- and no one will trade out of it either.
Yes indeed we're in quarterback hell once again. But barring a JFF miracle, I don't see any viable way out this year.
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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this is my position on the whole deal draft-wise.
what are our major holes on defense? a defense that could be top 5 in the league next year if prospects are drafted correctly? 1-2 DL (rubin gone, taylor hurt)? ILB? that's 3 right off the top.
so instead of upgrading and cementing the D to be the best in our conference, if not the division, we waste those 3 picks and hope on a wing and a prayer that one of these 2 QBs would pan out and be a starter from day one?
GTFO.
give me those 3 D picks a WR a backup C and a RT then in between if a guy like hundley or petty or mannion present themselves by all means throw in the card.
but to think the browns are only a QB away from being true contenders is ridiculous at this point.
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Zombo said:
My point is not that we need to go all in on Mariotta or whoever, it is:
1.You are always looking for QBs it is by far the most important position.
2. You dont shy away from anyone just because you have the fabulous Johnny Football on your roster.
3. The position needs a big upgrade over what we currently have pencilled in for 2015.
Let's not pretend we can count on JM for anything right now.
If you enjoy losing to the Ravens, Steelers and Bungles every year, then fuck it, grab a Guard and a DT and lots and lots of Wrs and put your faith in Johnny and Conner. They are spunky!
Z
So you believe a team lead by Mariota would beat those three?
So you believe a team lead by Mariota would beat those three?
I think we need to find a gooddamn quarterback.
I think it is objective number one.
I have no idea if Mariotta is going to be the guy, but I want the Browns to go after whoever they think is the best guy out there draft/trade/fa.
Finding a franchise QB is job #1. Keep taking shots at it.
We have two SEC midgets, neither of whom are pocket passers, on our roster. One is raw and undrafted, the other is raw and overdrafted ... and in rehab.
The fucking position needs to be addressed.
Z
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