Josh McCown let go by the Bucs
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Give me Mike Glennon or Sam Bradford instead.
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For starters, I am assuming Hoyer is gone. I just don't see him back. But were I to have to choose between the two...
Maybe all would add up to too much to give up, but hard to say since I have no idea what "comfortability" is (and neither does ieSpell). I assume the knowledge is playbook plus player, but both will be in some flux. Mental acuity? Again perhaps, but BH's head went somewhere the 2nd half of the season and took his acuity with it.
On the other side I think McCown's arm is a good bit stronger. I simply think he was asked to do too much in TB last year. In 2013 Trestman found McCown's groove. I think it's still there.
So early 2014 Hoyer vs. 2013 McCown? Close call, but I am inclined to lean towards Josh.
I'm assuming that neither are current members of the Browns. However, they both want starter money and a starter opportunity. Neither are really going to find it. So, for all intents and purposes, I believe they are on a level playing field as far contracts and opportunities go. Now we're just looking at two possible Free Agent signings.
Hoyer is comfortable with the players, the playbook, the coaching staff, the city and the fans. He has route timing and spacing down, he knows the individual tendencies of his receivers, his internal clock is more fine-tuned because he knows the strengths and limitations of his linemen, he's accustomed to the way the wind shifts and changes inside the stadium, etc. Individually, not much. Together, those are the variables that can be the difference between a win and a loss.
McCown won't have Jeffery, Marshall and Forte in Cleveland. He won't have two 6'4"receivers, each getting 1,300+ yards, that physically outmatch nearly every corner in the league.
Comparing best performances is always a scary task, just as comparing worst performances. If anything, I'd take it down to averages and then extrapolate over one full 16 game season.
Taking stats from Hoyer's 17 starts, dividing them by 17, then multiplying by 16 to extrapolate one full average season, you get:
334 completions | 592 attempts | 56.4% | 4,288 yards | 17 TD | 17 Int
Same process for McCown's 49 starts gives you:
314 completions | 544 attempts | 57.7% | 3,600 yards | 20 TD | 19 Int
Assuming an average performance, they are both very similar. Personally, I'd rather take the younger guy who's had one full year's worth of experience in Cleveland. He's at least starting out less behind the ball than McCown would be. While McCown would have to devote some time to learning the playbook, developing a rapport and learning his receivers, Hoyer could devote that team to perfecting the knowledge he does have.
I'm assuming that neither are current members of the Browns. However, they both want starter money and a starter opportunity. Neither are really going to find it. So, for all intents and purposes, I believe they are on a level playing field as far contracts and opportunities go. Now we're just looking at two possible Free Agent signings.
Hoyer is comfortable with the players, the playbook, the coaching staff, the city and the fans. He has route timing and spacing down, he knows the individual tendencies of his receivers, his internal clock is more fine-tuned because he knows the strengths and limitations of his linemen, he's accustomed to the way the wind shifts and changes inside the stadium, etc. Individually, not much. Together, those are the variables that can be the difference between a win and a loss.
McCown won't have Jeffery, Marshall and Forte in Cleveland. He won't have two 6'4"receivers, each getting 1,300+ yards, that physically outmatch nearly every corner in the league.
Comparing best performances is always a scary task, just as comparing worst performances. If anything, I'd take it down to averages and then extrapolate over one full 16 game season.
Taking stats from Hoyer's 17 starts, dividing them by 17, then multiplying by 16 to extrapolate one full average season, you get:
334 completions | 592 attempts | 56.4% | 4,288 yards | 17 TD | 17 Int
Same process for McCown's 49 starts gives you:
314 completions | 544 attempts | 57.7% | 3,600 yards | 20 TD | 19 Int
Assuming an average performance, they are both very similar. Personally, I'd rather take the younger guy who's had one full year's worth of experience in Cleveland. He's at least starting out less behind the ball than McCown would be. While McCown would have to devote some time to learning the playbook, developing a rapport and learning his receivers, Hoyer could devote that team to perfecting the knowledge he does have.
we don't have any receivers that scare a little league football team...that's why all this crap about hoyer lost his head the 2nd half of the yr is just that ...crap...when we had mack still in there, hoyer was at his best with mediocre recievers...we had a decent running game with mediocre backs...once mack went down and jackass gordon was installed in the lineup, yeah we went downhill. all these analysts where all up in the air commenting about when gordon comes back, this browns team will elevate...yeah they elevated all right. i honestly thought it might be true also until i saw the lazy bum play...
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Look who may be coming to dinner...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_draws_interest_fro.html
Look who may be coming to dinner...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_draws_interest_fro.html
Please show him the OL stats from the Jacksonville game and send him Packing, of course after a good dinner..
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Well this is interesting:
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Pettine going to the treatment center to talk with JM was a class thing to do by a class coach.
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bridge of sighs (but who really knows?).
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Look who may be coming to dinner...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_draws_interest_fro.html
Look who may be coming to dinner...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_draws_interest_fro.html
Coach said that yesterday in his presser. Sure we're interested. At this point I have absolutely no doubt they have some interest in anyone. Plus I don't put much stock in anything that any coach says during a press conference.
WSS
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bills didn't pull the trigger on him.
is that a good thing? (considering they have about the same track record in finding a QB as we do....)
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Here's Josh!
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Longtime veteran quarterback Josh McCown is visiting the Cleveland Browns today and Wednesday, a league source told Northeast Ohio Media Group.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_will_visit_clevela.html
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Here's Josh!
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Longtime veteran quarterback Josh McCown is visiting the Cleveland Browns today and Wednesday, a league source told Northeast Ohio Media Group.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_will_visit_clevela.html
Here's Josh!
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Longtime veteran quarterback Josh McCown is visiting the Cleveland Browns today and Wednesday, a league source told Northeast Ohio Media Group.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/josh_mccown_will_visit_clevela.html
Perhaps I don't understand the interest in McCown yet the lack of in Hoyer.
Brian might not be good behind an inconsistent Oline but McCown is worse.
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Although Brian's mysterious deterioration beyond that explained by Mack's injury does concern me, I'm not stating a preference for McCown over Hoyer. More a case that I believe Brian is gone and McCown seems like a reasonable option among the other FAs out there.
That said, I did hear today that BH is open to a contract that pays him for whatever role he ends up in with us, i.e., starter pay, if he starts, and back-up pay, if he is a back-up.
So the question becomes, do we offer that? The speculation associated with the report was no, we do not offer that kind of contract.
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I am guessing the front office has no problem with keeping Hoyer. It's just they don't want to seem too eager to the agent. Let them shop around and see how many teams are chomping at the bit to guarantee him a starting slot and a long guaranteed contract. I would guess the market isn't as Rosie as they have been hoping.
WSS
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Start JFF so we can go 0-16 and draft Cardale Jones with the first pick, a guy can hope can't he?
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canning it for cardale would only ensure one thing, that another regime change could happen and that's the last thing this team needs (unless of course haslam signs off on it).
sure indy did it for luck but i really doubt that pro football players go on the field and tank a game on purpose. they do have pride ya know?
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We wont can it we will just send JFF out there and we will lose guarentee
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canning it for cardale would only ensure one thing, that another regime change could happen and that's the last thing this team needs (unless of course haslam signs off on it).
sure indy did it for luck but i really doubt that pro football players go on the field and tank a game on purpose. they do have pride ya know?
But come on wed be doing it for an Ohio and Cleveland native Big Ten quarterback who has started three games! That has to be some sort of a guarantee, right?canning it for cardale would only ensure one thing, that another regime change could happen and that's the last thing this team needs (unless of course haslam signs off on it).
sure indy did it for luck but i really doubt that pro football players go on the field and tank a game on purpose. they do have pride ya know?
WSS
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But come on wed be doing it for an Ohio and Cleveland native Big Ten quarterback who has started three games! That has to be some sort of a guarantee, right?canning it for cardale would only ensure one thing, that another regime change could happen and that's the last thing this team needs (unless of course haslam signs off on it).
sure indy did it for luck but i really doubt that pro football players go on the field and tank a game on purpose. they do have pride ya know?
WSS
But come on wed be doing it for an Ohio and Cleveland native Big Ten quarterback who has started three games! That has to be some sort of a guarantee, right?
WSS
lol.
not even close.
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Even with new helmets?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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