Jonathan Paul Manziel
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there's no other name out there to mention so far. as a matter of fact, i'm not that great a fan of his. i think he's dumb as a rock and if not for the ability to play sports he'd prob be bagging groceries.
i don't know if cardale would be the answer. my major point right now as we speak is to get the DL shored up, add an ILB, go to the OL while also looking at the WR position. the browns are in a pretty good position once again this year to add another layer of starters on both sides of the ball via the draft instead of blowing their load on the likes of another QB prospect.
there's no other name out there to mention so far. as a matter of fact, i'm not that great a fan of his. i think he's dumb as a rock and if not for the ability to play sports he'd prob be bagging groceries.
i don't know if cardale would be the answer. my major point right now as we speak is to get the DL shored up, add an ILB, go to the OL while also looking at the WR position. the browns are in a pretty good position once again this year to add another layer of starters on both sides of the ball via the draft instead of blowing their load on the likes of another QB prospect.
AKA the QB as the final piece???
Don't mind me... just going through some "stuff" ATM...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
there's no other name out there to mention so far. as a matter of fact, i'm not that great a fan of his. i think he's dumb as a rock and if not for the ability to play sports he'd prob be bagging groceries.
i don't know if cardale would be the answer. my major point right now as we speak is to get the DL shored up, add an ILB, go to the OL while also looking at the WR position. the browns are in a pretty good position once again this year to add another layer of starters on both sides of the ball via the draft instead of blowing their load on the likes of another QB prospect.
AKA the QB as the final piece???
Don't mind me... just going through some "stuff" ATM...
AKA the QB as the final piece???
Don't mind me... just going through some "stuff" ATM...
tell me about it. the 'art' i'm creating now is painting and flooring. a total renov of this godforsaken kitchen of ours.
repurposing an old stove though......painting it metallic blue and silver/chrome. hot rod.
going to cut custom decal calling it 'the flamer'.
HA!!
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How long do you get for lunch?
As long as I want. Most days I don't take it. Today...I made up for that.
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As long as I want. Most days I don't take it. Today...I made up for that.
You have an active imagination.
The only thing that makes sense is Foles to the Browns for a first round pick- I'd gladly toss in JFF to sweeten the deal.
Gordon right now has less trade value than a 7th round pick.
Eagles won't have enough ammunition to move up into the top 2.
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AKA the QB as the final piece???
Don't mind me... just going through some "stuff" ATM...
tell me about it. the 'art' i'm creating now is painting and flooring. a total renov of this godforsaken kitchen of ours.
repurposing an old stove though......painting it metallic blue and silver/chrome. hot rod.
going to cut custom decal calling it 'the flamer'.
HA!!
tell me about it. the 'art' i'm creating now is painting and flooring. a total renov of this godforsaken kitchen of ours.
repurposing an old stove though......painting it metallic blue and silver/chrome. hot rod.
going to cut custom decal calling it 'the flamer'.
HA!!
I envy you mik.
When my father was based in NY as Mobil Oil's top international troubleshooter, his boss once told me that he was the only man in the world who could walk into a problematic refinery and get resolved in a week what no one had come close to fixing in months.
His second son (me) is probably the only man in the world who could walk into that same refinery and within a week find a way to inadvertently blow up the whole damn thing without even using C-4. .
I'm not saying I'm bad with tools, but I keep them to a minimum. My tool shed consists of a kitchen top drawer. And I open it only if my phone does not work to call someone to fix stuff.
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Possible location of JFFs rehab: the Interval Brotherhood Home. S. Main St. Akron (Portage Lakes area). I have been there a time or two to see clients. It is a sprawling camp like campus. Not luxurious by any means.
Possible location of JFFs rehab: the Interval Brotherhood Home. S. Main St. Akron (Portage Lakes area). I have been there a time or two to see clients. It is a sprawling camp like campus. Not luxurious by any means.
Kind of doubt it. He is probably out of state in some luxurious spa like rehab center.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
tell me about it. the 'art' i'm creating now is painting and flooring. a total renov of this godforsaken kitchen of ours.
repurposing an old stove though......painting it metallic blue and silver/chrome. hot rod.
going to cut custom decal calling it 'the flamer'.
HA!!
I envy you mik.
When my father was based in NY as Mobil Oil's top international troubleshooter, his boss once told me that he was the only man in the world who could walk into a problematic refinery and get resolved in a week what no one had come close to fixing in months.
His second son (me) is probably the only man in the world who could walk into that same refinery and within a week find a way to inadvertently blow up the whole damn thing without even using C-4. .
I'm not saying I'm bad with tools, but I keep them to a minimum. My tool shed consists of a kitchen top drawer. And I open it only if my phone does not work to call someone to fix stuff.
I envy you mik.
When my father was based in NY as Mobil Oil's top international troubleshooter, his boss once told me that he was the only man in the world who could walk into a problematic refinery and get resolved in a week what no one had come close to fixing in months.
His second son (me) is probably the only man in the world who could walk into that same refinery and within a week find a way to inadvertently blow up the whole damn thing without even using C-4. .
I'm not saying I'm bad with tools, but I keep them to a minimum. My tool shed consists of a kitchen top drawer. And I open it only if my phone does not work to call someone to fix stuff.
thanks man. i caught a great break with some help of an old family friend who set me up lovely with a high position creative gig at a madison avenue ad co. after moving to NY. great things happened and no so great things which led to an early retirement with full bennies and a substantial walk away check while my investments were still intact.
always been doing my own thing since the 80s but even that now (free graphic work for friends, low ball pricing on shit i shoulda never said yes to etc.) is still not enough to keep my mind still/calm. i have to have my hands into everything to keep my self occupied or i'd prob throw myself in front of a bus. so now that there are shows on tv about furniture design and refurbing everything i keep buying something every week to add to a collection of tools even my neighbor is jealous of (he's a mechanic and knocks on my door to borrow tools......asshole). got a compressor and brad/nail/staple gun and will be installing new hardwood in the kitchen next week. bought a commercial paint gun to paint large items and an airbrush to paint details. dremels, wood carving tools, router, chop saw, table saw...you name it, i prob have something that will get the job done.
anyhoo, after the kitchen is done i start working on an old 60s budweiser clock that i got from a bar that closed down last year because of the death of the owner. a 93 year old uki woman who survived a concentration camp during world war 2. i was a regular there for a couple of decades and always asked that if god forbid something happened to her i wanted the clock to restore (after years of smoke and neglect).
i'll post some pics when i'm done with it before/after. gotta stay busy or my mind will turn to moosh.
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tell me about it. the 'art' i'm creating now is painting and flooring. a total renov of this godforsaken kitchen of ours.
repurposing an old stove though......painting it metallic blue and silver/chrome. hot rod.
going to cut custom decal calling it 'the flamer'. Mik
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We just did the same thing, on an entire house we flipped. Put in a beautiful bathroom
in the basement, entire new kitchen, all redesigned, pulled up carpet and found beautiful
hardwood floors...
That's a ton of work. I really hope your walls are straighter than the house we just finished. The pics
are somewhere online......
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My problem would be this: Why would we trade these guys at their all-time lowest value?
Gordon: Let him sit out for a year. That's a no-brainer. He'll be worth more next year when he can actually play for somebody and has made it through his suspension. No is trading anything for a guy that needs to serve out a suspension, and it does not cost us anything to keep him around.
Manziel: The kid is sitting in rehab. Totally unproven player with two horrible starts under his belt who is probably going to be battling as a recovering alcoholic/addict for the rest of his career. Nobody wants him now. You bring him back, you let him prove his sobriety, play some preseason, than maybe he is worth something.
You are trying to trade guys that are practically untradeable right now. They both need to come back and get on the football field again and show promise before we can use either as trade bait.
Zombo
Zombo said:
My problem would be this: Why would we trade these guys at their all-time lowest value?
Gordon: Let him sit out for a year. That's a no-brainer. He'll be worth more next year when he can actually play for somebody and has made it through his suspension. No is trading anything for a guy that needs to serve out a suspension, and it does not cost us anything to keep him around.
Manziel: The kid is sitting in rehab. Totally unproven player with two horrible starts under his belt who is probably going to be battling as a recovering alcoholic/addict for the rest of his career. Nobody wants him now. You bring him back, you let him prove his sobriety, play some preseason, than maybe he is worth something.
You are trying to trade guys that are practically untradeable right now. They both need to come back and get on the football field again and show promise before we can use either as trade bait.
Zombo
Eh crazy scenario aside I can provide an answer to this. A year is a long damn time for Gordon and I have literally 0% belief he won't mess up again before he can play. If he messes up again he's probably banned forever in football terms. Right now he at least has a little value. I'm firmly on the cut him bandwagon though
Same with Manziel. The browns FO may think he's worthless but someone may still see the potential (I'm not saying this is the case, but for argument let's say it is). Your options are to trade him while he still has this "potential" tag, or if he goes out and plays like he did no one will offer anything for him. It's risk/reward but it's pretty logical if you look at it that way.
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mik and cal-well at least my wife thinks I'm still good with my hands.
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My problem would be this: Why would we trade these guys at their all-time lowest value?
Gordon: Let him sit out for a year. That's a no-brainer. He'll be worth more next year when he can actually play for somebody and has made it through his suspension. No is trading anything for a guy that needs to serve out a suspension, and it does not cost us anything to keep him around.
Manziel: The kid is sitting in rehab. Totally unproven player with two horrible starts under his belt who is probably going to be battling as a recovering alcoholic/addict for the rest of his career. Nobody wants him now. You bring him back, you let him prove his sobriety, play some preseason, than maybe he is worth something.
You are trying to trade guys that are practically untradeable right now. They both need to come back and get on the football field again and show promise before we can use either as trade bait.
Zombo
Zombo said:
My problem would be this: Why would we trade these guys at their all-time lowest value?
Gordon: Let him sit out for a year. That's a no-brainer. He'll be worth more next year when he can actually play for somebody and has made it through his suspension. No is trading anything for a guy that needs to serve out a suspension, and it does not cost us anything to keep him around.
Manziel: The kid is sitting in rehab. Totally unproven player with two horrible starts under his belt who is probably going to be battling as a recovering alcoholic/addict for the rest of his career. Nobody wants him now. You bring him back, you let him prove his sobriety, play some preseason, than maybe he is worth something.
You are trying to trade guys that are practically untradeable right now. They both need to come back and get on the football field again and show promise before we can use either as trade bait.
Zombo
The problem with this is that you're assuming this is their all-time low when it's actually not.
If Gordon get in trouble again, that's his all time low. We won't be able to get anything for him because he'll no longer be in the league. If Manziel comes back and proves to be equally as bad as he looked last year, that will be his all time low.
You'd like to see Manziel come back and prove something to up his value. That's logical. There's three things that can happen in that scenario:
-Manziel comes back and plays great
-Manziel comes back and plays mediocre
-Manziel comes back and plays like garbage.
If Manziel proves something, we'd likely just keep him. His value to us as a player would be greater than as a tradeable asset.
If Manziel comes back and plays mediocre football, it would be impossible for us to command anything of huge value for him. An undersized serviceable quarterback who recently went to rehab? We'd, at best, get a third rounder..and that's stretching it.
If Manziel comes back and continues to play like garbage, he's completely useless to us. There's a zero percent chance he has any value in this situation.
It's my personal belief that Manziel's value now, at this current point in time, is greater than it would be in two of the above scenarios. "Immensely talented quarterback coming back from personal issues in a new setting" is an infinitely more intriguing sell than "undersized serviceable player with proven backup potential". Attempting to trade him now when there's at least some semblance of mystique around his potential gives us our best value proposition.
These guys are "untradeable" to 90% of the league, but there are teams who might still take a chance on them. From an outsider's perspective, the best chance we'd have at unloading Manziel would be to Dallas or Philly. Dallas because I don't give Jerry any credit and Philly for the aforementioned reasons.
As for Gordon, I think it's more of a no-brainer to trade him now rather than risk him doing something stupid during his suspension. Regardless of where he goes, he's not costing a team anything this season and he has a whole year to sit on his ass...meaning it's likely he could get into trouble yet again.
Personally, I'm just growing tired of the shit-talking pessimists who contribute nothing to this board other than bitching and complaining. This is my attempt to get actual intelligent people like yourself to have conversation, since this requires a little more critical thinking than "MANZIEL is a FUCKING DRUNK and is a FAGGOT" or "fuck haslam fuck the front office fuck farmer we need to shitcan everyone and start over".
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Personally, I'm just growing tired of the shit-talking pessimists who contribute nothing to this board other than bitching and complaining. This is my attempt to get actual intelligent people like yourself to have conversation, since this requires a little more critical thinking than "MANZIEL is a FUCKING DRUNK and is a FAGGOT" or "fuck haslam fuck the front office fuck farmer we need to shitcan everyone and start over". TC
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So very tired. Apparently, it's been a contest with a few people, to see who could be the worst of it.
I figure Gordon will come back after a year, out of shape, stoned on his ass, get dropped out of training camp...
and he'll sue the NFL for not giving him a chance.....
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Possible location of JFFs rehab: the Interval Brotherhood Home. S. Main St. Akron (Portage Lakes area). I have been there a time or two to see clients. It is a sprawling camp like campus. Not luxurious by any means.
what clients you mean crack whores.
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Possible location of JFFs rehab: the Interval Brotherhood Home. S. Main St. Akron (Portage Lakes area). I have been there a time or two to see clients. It is a sprawling camp like campus. Not luxurious by any means.
Kind of doubt it. He is probably out of state in some luxurious spa like rehab center.
Kind of doubt it. He is probably out of state in some luxurious spa like rehab center.
No, it was said that he was close to Cleveland.
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Time to reiterate my 3-way?
Browns to TB (or TN): #12 and #19
Philly to Browns: Cox (DT) and Foles
Philly to TB (or TN): #12, #19 and #20
TB (or TN) to Philly: #1 (or #2)
"More likely" to occur with TN at the #2 slot assuming TB takes Jameis #1 overall, then:
- TN rides with Mettenberger and has three top 20 picks to fill needs in a draft deep in OL, DL and WR.
- Chip gets his guy.
- We get an elite, proven at the Pro level, DT and a QB awaiting confirmation of his franchise promise.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Time to reiterate my 3-way?
Browns to TB (or TN): #12 and #19
Philly to Browns: Cox (DT) and Foles
Philly to TB (or TN): #12, #19 and #20
TB (or TN) to Philly: #1 (or #2)
"More likely" to occur with TN at the #2 slot assuming TB takes Jameis #1 overall, then:
- TN rides with Mettenberger and has three top 20 picks to fill needs in a draft deep in OL, DL and WR.
- Chip gets his guy.
- We get an elite, proven at the Pro level, DT and a QB awaiting confirmation of his franchise promise.
Time to reiterate my 3-way?
Browns to TB (or TN): #12 and #19
Philly to Browns: Cox (DT) and Foles
Philly to TB (or TN): #12, #19 and #20
TB (or TN) to Philly: #1 (or #2)
"More likely" to occur with TN at the #2 slot assuming TB takes Jameis #1 overall, then:
- TN rides with Mettenberger and has three top 20 picks to fill needs in a draft deep in OL, DL and WR.
- Chip gets his guy.
- We get an elite, proven at the Pro level, DT and a QB awaiting confirmation of his franchise promise.
This is very intriguing.
Cleveland would receive their possible franchise quarterback as well as a talented player for the DT/DE position, just like if they had taken these two positions with these two picks.
Philadelphia gets their quarterback to replace Foles and loses only one draft pick, allowing them to replace their DT/DE vacancy in the second round.
Tennessee receives a boatload of first round picks which they could turn into three very solid players. (Although I'd personally turn one of those first round picks into an extra second round pick this year, an extra second round next year, and maybe a depth player?)
I could see Tennessee agreeing to three first round picks this year. I could see Cleveland agreeing to Foles and Cox. I don't think I could see Philly agreeing to losing Cox, Foles and a first round pick solely for Mariota. At the very least, I could see a few later round picks also thrown into this mix just for balancing.
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Time to reiterate my 3-way?
Browns to TB (or TN): #12 and #19
Philly to Browns: Cox (DT) and Foles
Philly to TB (or TN): #12, #19 and #20
TB (or TN) to Philly: #1 (or #2)
"More likely" to occur with TN at the #2 slot assuming TB takes Jameis #1 overall, then:
- TN rides with Mettenberger and has three top 20 picks to fill needs in a draft deep in OL, DL and WR.
- Chip gets his guy.
- We get an elite, proven at the Pro level, DT and a QB awaiting confirmation of his franchise promise.
Time to reiterate my 3-way?
Browns to TB (or TN): #12 and #19
Philly to Browns: Cox (DT) and Foles
Philly to TB (or TN): #12, #19 and #20
TB (or TN) to Philly: #1 (or #2)
"More likely" to occur with TN at the #2 slot assuming TB takes Jameis #1 overall, then:
- TN rides with Mettenberger and has three top 20 picks to fill needs in a draft deep in OL, DL and WR.
- Chip gets his guy.
- We get an elite, proven at the Pro level, DT and a QB awaiting confirmation of his franchise promise.
If I'm TN I'd take that trade in a New York minute.
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I never read that. Link?
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