Pull the trigger on Kevin White!
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i'd be very disappointed if they tried to make a dumb move like that.
pettine has already said he wants to finish the D. i would suspect that's where our #12 or #19 will go. do we take a WR? sure. but move up to get one at the price you suggest...........i really doubt it.
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I think a team like Oakland would take this trade
They would get our #12, a 2nd rounder, and a 1st next year.
It would be a win-win
No, that would not be a win, win.
No, that would not be a win, win.
Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
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I watched every game Kevin White played last year. He is definitely a playmaker and I would be
pumped if he ends up being drafted by the Browns.
Having said that, getting him by offering our 12, 2nd round and next years 1st round?
No, no, and again no.
We have far too many holes that need filled to give up draft picks in order to move up.
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No, that would not be a win, win.
Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
What about our current coach and GM makes you believe that they would throw away a ton of picks for a WR?
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No, that would not be a win, win.
Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Whilst losing our pick at 19 as well.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Heard the same shit with the Brady Quinn supporters in 07.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
One trade down, we don't take Julio Jones... and if the FO isn't dumb to replace the picks given with shitty players, then we look like the golden goose. Jones is one awkward step away from being out a bulk of the season again. Also, I'd like to point out - how badass did Atlanta look with Roddy White and Julio?
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
The players we've 'missed' on are 99% of the ones we actually have taken, not traded around and didn't have the opportunity.
edit: I'd like you to go back the last 10 years and look at WR's taken in the top 15, and how many additional wins they helped their team increase by the following season. I bet you're going to be shocked with the lack of impact you find.
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
I'd prefer the guy whom consistently effects the opposing offense FROM scoring TD's. Much more sound plan.
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Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Whilst losing our pick at 19 as well.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Heard the same shit with the Brady Quinn supporters in 07.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
One trade down, we don't take Julio Jones... and if the FO isn't dumb to replace the picks given with shitty players, then we look like the golden goose. Jones is one awkward step away from being out a bulk of the season again. Also, I'd like to point out - how badass did Atlanta look with Roddy White and Julio?
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
The players we've 'missed' on are 99% of the ones we actually have taken, not traded around and didn't have the opportunity.
edit: I'd like you to go back the last 10 years and look at WR's taken in the top 15, and how many additional wins they helped their team increase by the following season. I bet you're going to be shocked with the lack of impact you find.
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
I'd prefer the guy whom consistently effects the opposing offense FROM scoring TD's. Much more sound plan.
Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Whilst losing our pick at 19 as well.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Heard the same shit with the Brady Quinn supporters in 07.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
One trade down, we don't take Julio Jones... and if the FO isn't dumb to replace the picks given with shitty players, then we look like the golden goose. Jones is one awkward step away from being out a bulk of the season again. Also, I'd like to point out - how badass did Atlanta look with Roddy White and Julio?
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
The players we've 'missed' on are 99% of the ones we actually have taken, not traded around and didn't have the opportunity.
edit: I'd like you to go back the last 10 years and look at WR's taken in the top 15, and how many additional wins they helped their team increase by the following season. I bet you're going to be shocked with the lack of impact you find.
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
I'd prefer the guy whom consistently effects the opposing offense FROM scoring TD's. Much more sound plan.
I understand your logic and I agree to a certain point. i did stress in my inital post that DL, and OL depth is crucial in this years draft.
But we can't just stand by idly and miss out on another potentially great class of WRs like last year!!!
Odell Beckham Jr., Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, etc. We missed out on all those guys! We can not afford to do the same this year.
Let me extend an olive branch, If White doesn't make it to 12. We should do 1 of 2 things
1) Take the next best available wideout. like Cooper or DeVante Parker.
2) Trade this pick for an already established veteran WR like Fitzgerald, DeAndre Hopkins, Antonio Brown, etc.
OR
We can overpay for a FA like Thomas or Bryant. But I'd doubt they'd come here willingly, unless the contract was ridiculously lucrative. And we sure as hell don't want that
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Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Whilst losing our pick at 19 as well.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Heard the same shit with the Brady Quinn supporters in 07.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
One trade down, we don't take Julio Jones... and if the FO isn't dumb to replace the picks given with shitty players, then we look like the golden goose. Jones is one awkward step away from being out a bulk of the season again. Also, I'd like to point out - how badass did Atlanta look with Roddy White and Julio?
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
The players we've 'missed' on are 99% of the ones we actually have taken, not traded around and didn't have the opportunity.
edit: I'd like you to go back the last 10 years and look at WR's taken in the top 15, and how many additional wins they helped their team increase by the following season. I bet you're going to be shocked with the lack of impact you find.
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
I'd prefer the guy whom consistently effects the opposing offense FROM scoring TD's. Much more sound plan.
I understand your logic and I agree to a certain point. i did stress in my inital post that DL, and OL depth is crucial in this years draft.
But we can't just stand by idly and miss out on another potentially great class of WRs like last year!!!
Odell Beckham Jr., Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, etc. We missed out on all those guys! We can not afford to do the same this year.
Let me extend an olive branch, If White doesn't make it to 12. We should do 1 of 2 things
1) Take the next best available wideout. like Cooper or DeVante Parker.
2) Trade this pick for an already established veteran WR like Fitzgerald, DeAndre Hopkins, Antonio Brown, etc.
OR
We can overpay for a FA like Thomas or Bryant. But I'd doubt they'd come here willingly, unless the contract was ridiculously lucrative. And we sure as hell don't want that
I understand your logic and I agree to a certain point. i did stress in my inital post that DL, and OL depth is crucial in this years draft.
But we can't just stand by idly and miss out on another potentially great class of WRs like last year!!!
Odell Beckham Jr., Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, etc. We missed out on all those guys! We can not afford to do the same this year.
Let me extend an olive branch, If White doesn't make it to 12. We should do 1 of 2 things
1) Take the next best available wideout. like Cooper or DeVante Parker.
2) Trade this pick for an already established veteran WR like Fitzgerald, DeAndre Hopkins, Antonio Brown, etc.
OR
We can overpay for a FA like Thomas or Bryant. But I'd doubt they'd come here willingly, unless the contract was ridiculously lucrative. And we sure as hell don't want that
No olive branch necessary, I have no qualms with you. You have an opinion, I may disagree- but I respect it.
Here are my issues with taking a WR that high.
1) As Farmer believes, a WR can only effect the game a small handful of plays. While that might be true, a primo WR can help dictate the coverage a defense must bring. As good as Cooper and White are, I don't see any of them being players that will make a defensive coordinator say, "Oh shit, roll the safety over top of him".
2) Of the great WR class that was last year, and make no mistake it might be an all-time class... nobody ever talks about how the overall win category of these teams doesn't seem to improve. Example:
13' giants 7-9
14' giants 6-10
13' Bucs 4-12
14' Bucs 2-14
13' Bills 6-10
14' Bills 9-7
13' Panthers 12-4
14' Panthers 7-8-1
Of those teams the only outlier were the Bills. Whom missed the playoffs, I might add. The Panthers scraped in by the grace of god and nothing less.
You can go back the last 10 years as I've mentioned and find this to be the trend. I know, I've been through this at least once with another poster. WR's are the trophy wife, the arm candy.
Doesn't mean shit if you don't have the badass car, the house, the money.. etc etc.
3) Devante Parker. No thank you. I've watched the kid play. In this draft, in regards to the first round, its Cooper, White then everybody else.
4) Not a chance in hell I'm trading a top 20 pick for Fitz. And I LOVE Fitz. The guy is a sure fire HOF. No. Age being the big reason.
5) Again, not a chance I'm trading for Hopkins nor would the Texans surrender him and you have a better chance of banging Jessica Alba than prying Brown away from the Steelers.
I'd prefer not to overpay for any FA WR. However I have no issue putting down money for a quality player that fits what our offense is trying to do. Again, you love the flash a WR can bring, I don't blame you. However the substance of a team has to be there in order for the flash to truly pay dividends. The Browns aren't there quite yet.
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Defense first is the Browns Mantra and I buy into it completely (unless someone just falls in our lap we cannot pass up, like Melvin Gordon in rd 2 for example).
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Let's not forget that, as we speak, even if we have an all-world WR getting open downfield
we don't have a QB on the roster who has demonstrated that he can consistently get the ball
to said WR. Does anyone else remember BH missing wide open guys and constantly underthrowing
receivers who were open deep?
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Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Whilst losing our pick at 19 as well.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Heard the same shit with the Brady Quinn supporters in 07.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
One trade down, we don't take Julio Jones... and if the FO isn't dumb to replace the picks given with shitty players, then we look like the golden goose. Jones is one awkward step away from being out a bulk of the season again. Also, I'd like to point out - how badass did Atlanta look with Roddy White and Julio?
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
The players we've 'missed' on are 99% of the ones we actually have taken, not traded around and didn't have the opportunity.
edit: I'd like you to go back the last 10 years and look at WR's taken in the top 15, and how many additional wins they helped their team increase by the following season. I bet you're going to be shocked with the lack of impact you find.
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
I'd prefer the guy whom consistently effects the opposing offense FROM scoring TD's. Much more sound plan.
I understand your logic and I agree to a certain point. i did stress in my inital post that DL, and OL depth is crucial in this years draft.
But we can't just stand by idly and miss out on another potentially great class of WRs like last year!!!
Odell Beckham Jr., Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, etc. We missed out on all those guys! We can not afford to do the same this year.
Let me extend an olive branch, If White doesn't make it to 12. We should do 1 of 2 things
1) Take the next best available wideout. like Cooper or DeVante Parker.
2) Trade this pick for an already established veteran WR like Fitzgerald, DeAndre Hopkins, Antonio Brown, etc.
OR
We can overpay for a FA like Thomas or Bryant. But I'd doubt they'd come here willingly, unless the contract was ridiculously lucrative. And we sure as hell don't want that
Odell Beckham Jr., Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, etc. We missed out on all those guys! We can not afford to do the same this year.
That list right there shows why there's no need to move up to take a WR - all of those guys were big contributors for their team, and were taking at (something like) 4th, 7th, 12th, 25th, and Matthews somewhere on day 2? No need to lose multiple high picks to grab a WR in what you yourself have admitted is a deep draft.
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Why would you trade up for a kid when this is a deep receiver class? Talk about throwing away picks. And give up 2 no.1's AND a 2? No thanks.
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Explain how it wouldn't be a win-win?
We would still keep our other 1st rounder, and have our 3rd picks and above.
Whilst losing our pick at 19 as well.
Big deal if we don't have a 1st next year. If we can snag a stud Wideout who can make a difference there shouldn't be any cause for complaints.
Heard the same shit with the Brady Quinn supporters in 07.
Or we can do the typical Browns drafting bs and keep trading down and missing on star players so we can draft inept prospects at the end of the 1st round into the other rounds.
One trade down, we don't take Julio Jones... and if the FO isn't dumb to replace the picks given with shitty players, then we look like the golden goose. Jones is one awkward step away from being out a bulk of the season again. Also, I'd like to point out - how badass did Atlanta look with Roddy White and Julio?
The draft is about adding guys that even though they will be rookies, they will make an impact on the field. We have missed on so many players its ridiculous!!
The players we've 'missed' on are 99% of the ones we actually have taken, not traded around and didn't have the opportunity.
edit: I'd like you to go back the last 10 years and look at WR's taken in the top 15, and how many additional wins they helped their team increase by the following season. I bet you're going to be shocked with the lack of impact you find.
Time to pull out our balls and use them! Enough of this mamby pamby drafting style. Get the guy whose gonna score TDs!
I'd prefer the guy whom consistently effects the opposing offense FROM scoring TD's. Much more sound plan.
I understand your logic and I agree to a certain point. i did stress in my inital post that DL, and OL depth is crucial in this years draft.
But we can't just stand by idly and miss out on another potentially great class of WRs like last year!!!
Odell Beckham Jr., Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, etc. We missed out on all those guys! We can not afford to do the same this year.
Let me extend an olive branch, If White doesn't make it to 12. We should do 1 of 2 things
1) Take the next best available wideout. like Cooper or DeVante Parker.
2) Trade this pick for an already established veteran WR like Fitzgerald, DeAndre Hopkins, Antonio Brown, etc.
OR
We can overpay for a FA like Thomas or Bryant. But I'd doubt they'd come here willingly, unless the contract was ridiculously lucrative. And we sure as hell don't want that
I understand your logic and I agree to a certain point. i did stress in my inital post that DL, and OL depth is crucial in this years draft.
But we can't just stand by idly and miss out on another potentially great class of WRs like last year!!!
Odell Beckham Jr., Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, etc. We missed out on all those guys! We can not afford to do the same this year.
How many playoff games did the teams that drafted those great wide receivers win last year??
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I understand your logic and I agree to a certain point. i did stress in my inital post that DL, and OL depth is crucial in this years draft.
But we can't just stand by idly and miss out on another potentially great class of WRs like last year!!!
Odell Beckham Jr., Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Jordan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, etc. We missed out on all those guys! We can not afford to do the same this year.
How many playoff games did the teams that drafted those great wide receivers win last year??
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DL and LB, OL then maybe WR/QB.
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QB
OL
DL/LB
then WR...
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Why?
Taylor Gabriel, Miles Austin, those guys arent going to burn many DBs and stretch the field like White can
Kevin White- 4.35
Taylor Gabriel - 4.4
Andrew Hawkins - 4.34
Travis Benjamin- 4.37
All three of those guys are equally as able to stretch the field and burn DB's, if that's all you're looking for.
White does seem to possess the entire package, though. I've been keen on him since December.
We package two firsts and a third to move up to #2 and take Mariota, who tears his hamstring in the National Championship game against Ohio State.
We take Kevin White, WR from WVU with our remaining first round pick.
Mariota opens as the starter, has a rocky rookie season, winning 7 games but posting solid franchise QB stats - over 60% completion, 2:1 TD to interception ratio, a handful of rushing touchdowns. White finishes the season in contention for OROY, as our main receiving threat and a game-changing talent. Mariota and White look oddly similar to 2008 Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings.
(The above scenario was contingent on somehow acquiring another first round pick.)
I just can't rationalize moving up to take a WR, of all positions, when we proved last season that our offense could be productive with Gabriel, Austin and Hawkins. If we're trading up, it would be for Mariota.
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This trade idea would be dumb. Kevin White? Yeah, if he falls to twelve. If not,
the Browns would be far better off taking a top defensive talent.
Unless you have a dominant football team, and you only need a
dominant wr... you don't make that trade. sorry, it would be dumb.
I figure the second round is a good wr round - Agholor sp?, or Conley in the third or fourth..
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If White is available at #12, I don't see a scenario where you don't take him, regardless of who is on the board. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen.
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Cooper is more likely to fall to us, and I like him more than White anyways. He's got better game speed and hands than White.
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It is offically silly season. "We have to trade up to get this guy" Just change the name of the player to fit the needs of the silly poster.
OK....If I could trade one of our #5 picks along with 12 to move up, ok. Anything more than that....LOL
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