Pull the trigger on Kevin White!
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Perrimen is currently valued in the Early 4th at highest. 2nd is a huge reach.
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Perrimen is currently valued in the Early 4th at highest. 2nd is a huge reach.
Depends on where you're looking tiamat. Here's a cut and paste projecting him higher than I just did:
The hype behind former UCF wide receiver Breshad Perriman is growing.
It started with Mel Kiper, Jr. projecting Perriman No. 15 overall in his latest mock draft. It continued Monday when NFL Network lead draft analyst Mike Mayock discussed the potential for the 6-foot-3, 215-pound wide receiver.
"I put the Perriman tape on about three weeks ago and I almost fell over," Mayock said in his pre-NFL Scouting Combine conference call Monday. "I had a bunch of people tell me he didn't have good hands, and boy, do I disagree with that, even though he's got more drops than he should. There's kind of a way to interpret that. A wide receiver who has too many drops should have bad hands, right?
"Well, I looked at his hands and say he makes acrobatic catches, he makes high-point catches, he makes contested catches, however, once in a while he drops an easy ball, but I think he's a natural hands catcher."
The Scouting Combine kicks off this week for Perriman and three other former Knights — Rannell Hall, Clayton Geathers and Jacoby Glenn — and will be aired throughout the week on the NFL Network. Perriman and Hall will do their on-field workouts, including their 40-yard dashes, on Saturday. Glenn and Geathers have their workouts Monday.
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Perrimen is currently valued in the Early 4th at highest. 2nd is a huge reach.
Here's another case of someone seeing he can go higher than where I had us taking him so stay tuned...:
NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock believes Perriman is "special" and could be emerging as a first-round pick.
The buzz slowed somewhat during the NFL Scouting Combine this past weekend because a hamstring injury kept Perriman from participating. He will have another chance to check off that box, especially with his 40-yard dash time, at UCF's pro day.
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Don't worry Tom, this time of year you have draft experts out the ass ready to question any projections. You keep on keeping on.
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Thanks Ballpeen! I don't have the time to study the draft prospects like I used to. I just want to see some bigger targets on board to make it easier on whoever QBs this team in 2015. When we had Joe Jurevicius, Braylon Edwards and Kellen WInslow in 2007 - we not only won 10 games but Derek Anderson had the best year of his career.
This draft we can add the best TE (Williams), a WR like Perriman, and either an offensive lineman or a dlineman/pass rusher by the time we've completed our 3rd pick.
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The Falcons finished with a worse record than the Browns for the past two years even though they traded up for an elite playmaker.
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Let's not forget that, as we speak, even if we have an all-world WR getting open downfield
we don't have a QB on the roster who has demonstrated that he can consistently get the ball
to said WR. Does anyone else remember BH missing wide open guys and constantly underthrowing
receivers who were open deep?
Let's not forget that, as we speak, even if we have an all-world WR getting open downfield
we don't have a QB on the roster who has demonstrated that he can consistently get the ball
to said WR. Does anyone else remember BH missing wide open guys and constantly underthrowing
receivers who were open deep?
Just to add to your great Quote, A QB that can't see over a OL never see's him open. A QB on the move cannot Throw it that far down field. Lastly, a Backup on the OL allows you 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball. Good Luck with That. Hope We or He Finds a Good QB. S. Watkins with a Real QB, we would be bitchin...
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Perrimen is currently valued in the Early 4th at highest. 2nd is a huge reach.
Here's another case of someone seeing he can go higher than where I had us taking him so stay tuned...:
NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock believes Perriman is "special" and could be emerging as a first-round pick.
The buzz slowed somewhat during the NFL Scouting Combine this past weekend because a hamstring injury kept Perriman from participating. He will have another chance to check off that box, especially with his 40-yard dash time, at UCF's pro day.
Here's another case of someone seeing he can go higher than where I had us taking him so stay tuned...:
NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock believes Perriman is "special" and could be emerging as a first-round pick.
The buzz slowed somewhat during the NFL Scouting Combine this past weekend because a hamstring injury kept Perriman from participating. He will have another chance to check off that box, especially with his 40-yard dash time, at UCF's pro day.
I think Mayock is legit so I'll take his word for it.
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Thanks Ballpeen! I don't have the time to study the draft prospects like I used to. I just want to see some bigger targets on board to make it easier on whoever QBs this team in 2015. When we had Joe Jurevicius, Braylon Edwards and Kellen WInslow in 2007 - we not only won 10 games but Derek Anderson had the best year of his career.
This draft we can add the best TE (Williams), a WR like Perriman, and either an offensive lineman or a dlineman/pass rusher by the time we've completed our 3rd pick. FLUGELS
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FLUGS !!!!! Which offensive lineman would you go after? (I remember you are an oline guy !)
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Lockett (his 4.40 was 3rd best of wr's) in rd 2 or 3 or gtfo. Browns have made it clear they are filling D needs first and foremost.
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Welcome back Flugs. Long time no see.
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Thanks Ballpeen! I don't have the time to study the draft prospects like I used to. I just want to see some bigger targets on board to make it easier on whoever QBs this team in 2015. When we had Joe Jurevicius, Braylon Edwards and Kellen WInslow in 2007 - we not only won 10 games but Derek Anderson had the best year of his career.
This draft we can add the best TE (Williams), a WR like Perriman, and either an offensive lineman or a dlineman/pass rusher by the time we've completed our 3rd pick. FLUGELS
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FLUGS !!!!! Which offensive lineman would you go after? (I remember you are an oline guy !)
Thanks Ballpeen! I don't have the time to study the draft prospects like I used to. I just want to see some bigger targets on board to make it easier on whoever QBs this team in 2015. When we had Joe Jurevicius, Braylon Edwards and Kellen WInslow in 2007 - we not only won 10 games but Derek Anderson had the best year of his career.
This draft we can add the best TE (Williams), a WR like Perriman, and either an offensive lineman or a dlineman/pass rusher by the time we've completed our 3rd pick. FLUGELS
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FLUGS !!!!! Which offensive lineman would you go after? (I remember you are an oline guy !)
The issue using the 07 team as an example is their flash in the pan success. The run game was complimentary to the passing attack which cost us late in the year and a possible playoff birth. The pass rush was a joke outside of Rodgers dominating the interior and the secondary was a sieve.
I prefer my teams to be strong in the trenches and on defense. It's a recipe for longer lasting success.
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The Falcons finished with a worse record than the Browns for the past two years even though they traded up for an elite playmaker.
The Falcons finished with a worse record than the Browns for the past two years even though they traded up for an elite playmaker.
Good point. Even having Rod Smith, Julio Jones and Matt Ryan (and Steven Jackson) didn't help that team with a crappy defense do as well as the Browns.
So, if we went with two defenders in the first round, it would not hurt my feelings.
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Thanks Ballpeen! I don't have the time to study the draft prospects like I used to. I just want to see some bigger targets on board to make it easier on whoever QBs this team in 2015. When we had Joe Jurevicius, Braylon Edwards and Kellen WInslow in 2007 - we not only won 10 games but Derek Anderson had the best year of his career.
This draft we can add the best TE (Williams), a WR like Perriman, and either an offensive lineman or a dlineman/pass rusher by the time we've completed our 3rd pick. FLUGELS
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FLUGS !!!!! Which offensive lineman would you go after? (I remember you are an oline guy !)
FLUGS !!!!! Which offensive lineman would you go after? (I remember you are an oline guy !)
Hey Cal! Glad to see you in the mix here. When Mack was healthy I loved what I saw from our line, Crow's average was up over 5 yards a carry while Tate was at something like 4.4 (as temporary as that was). Bitonio was a great addition. Not only that; but Hoyer looked like he was stepping into his throws all the way up until the Jax Game. During that span, I saw the same Brina Hoyer that pleasantly surprised me in 2013.
To answer your question - I saw 1 mock draft that had us taking Miami's OT Ereck Flowers in round 1. That didn't look too bad to me. Other OTs I like are: La el Collins LSU, TJ Clemmings Pitt, Cedric Ogbuehi Texas A&M. Some people think Bowie could challenge Schwartz for the starting RT spot. If so, maybe we can snag a Guard later in the draft.
I've been kind of torn between oline and dline with one of our first round picks. Our 5 technique technique lacked depth and it was very weak at times. Oregon's DE Arik Armstead would really improve that quite a bit IMO. This would allow us to kick our best 2 gap defender - John Hughes inside to NT..
I'm hoping we land TE Maxx Williams with our other first round pick.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Thanks Ballpeen! I don't have the time to study the draft prospects like I used to. I just want to see some bigger targets on board to make it easier on whoever QBs this team in 2015. When we had Joe Jurevicius, Braylon Edwards and Kellen WInslow in 2007 - we not only won 10 games but Derek Anderson had the best year of his career.
This draft we can add the best TE (Williams), a WR like Perriman, and either an offensive lineman or a dlineman/pass rusher by the time we've completed our 3rd pick. FLUGELS
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FLUGS !!!!! Which offensive lineman would you go after? (I remember you are an oline guy !)
The issue using the 07 team as an example is their flash in the pan success. The run game was complimentary to the passing attack which cost us late in the year and a possible playoff birth. The pass rush was a joke outside of Rodgers dominating the interior and the secondary was a sieve.
I prefer my teams to be strong in the trenches and on defense. It's a recipe for longer lasting success.
The issue using the 07 team as an example is their flash in the pan success. The run game was complimentary to the passing attack which cost us late in the year and a possible playoff birth. The pass rush was a joke outside of Rodgers dominating the interior and the secondary was a sieve.
Understanding our QB situation at the start of 2007 along with the train wreck we witnessed in week 1 - finishing with 10 wins was a lot better than you're making it sound. Everyone was well aware of our deficiencies on defense - that's why we appreciated the fact we outscored 10 out of 16 opponents.
Since we're both in a topic about the WR position - why don't we get back to discussing how we can make this an easier team to QB via help on the perimeter.
2007 became the easiest season we've seen to play QB here this side of 1999. Consequently,a career backup caliber QB Derek Anderson threw 29 TD passes with 20 of those going to the WR position. That's what size in the red zone can do for a QB that isn't consistently accurate. In addition to the TD volume, Edwards and Winslow had 56 first downs apiece while Joe Jurevicius added another 34. In comparison, our WR Corps only caught 8 TD passes in 2014.
The QB situation heading into 2015 doesn't look much different than our 2007 situation. That being the case, we'll have opportunities to draft a TE like Maxx Williams in round 1 and a WR like Perriman in round 2 (I have a feeling he'll be on our doorstep despite Kiper and Mayock pushing him up into round 1). While I like Hawkins and Gabriel, they're not always the easiest guys to see. Hopefully resign Austin Miles...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Welcome back Flugs. Long time no see.
Welcome back Flugs. Long time no see.
Thanks DieHard! Good to see you man! There should be a lot of good stuff to talk about the next 2 months.
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The issue using the 07 team as an example is their flash in the pan success. The run game was complimentary to the passing attack which cost us late in the year and a possible playoff birth. The pass rush was a joke outside of Rodgers dominating the interior and the secondary was a sieve.
Understanding our QB situation at the start of 2007 along with the train wreck we witnessed in week 1 - finishing with 10 wins was a lot better than you're making it sound. Everyone was well aware of our deficiencies on defense - that's why we appreciated the fact we outscored 10 out of 16 opponents.
Since we're both in a topic about the WR position - why don't we get back to discussing how we can make this an easier team to QB via help on the perimeter.
2007 became the easiest season we've seen to play QB here this side of 1999. Consequently,a career backup caliber QB Derek Anderson threw 29 TD passes with 20 of those going to the WR position. That's what size in the red zone can do for a QB that isn't consistently accurate. In addition to the TD volume, Edwards and Winslow had 56 first downs apiece while Joe Jurevicius added another 34. In comparison, our WR Corps only caught 8 TD passes in 2014.
The QB situation heading into 2015 doesn't look much different than our 2007 situation. That being the case, we'll have opportunities to draft a TE like Maxx Williams in round 1 and a WR like Perriman in round 2 (I have a feeling he'll be on our doorstep despite Kiper and Mayock pushing him up into round 1). While I like Hawkins and Gabriel, they're not always the easiest guys to see. Hopefully resign Austin Miles...
Understanding our QB situation at the start of 2007 along with the train wreck we witnessed in week 1 - finishing with 10 wins was a lot better than you're making it sound. Everyone was well aware of our deficiencies on defense - that's why we appreciated the fact we outscored 10 out of 16 opponents.
Since we're both in a topic about the WR position - why don't we get back to discussing how we can make this an easier team to QB via help on the perimeter.
2007 became the easiest season we've seen to play QB here this side of 1999.
2007 was the easiest to QB because of the sharp improvement on the Oline. Joe Thomas and Steinbach were the absolute difference between those two years. If you put Anderson on the 06 team, the results would have practically been the same.
Lord knows I'm not opposed to getting help for this offense, but I can't picture investing a near top 10 pick for a WR like Parker.
Considering this draft is deepest at the positions the Browns need the most, Dline, WR, OLB & TE - coupled with Pettine saying it starts with defense (and Farmers widely known belief on 1st round receivers ). It's highly unlikely you see investments that early in the draft. There is plenty of help to be had round 2 and beyond.
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Understanding our QB situation at the start of 2007 along with the train wreck we witnessed in week 1 - finishing with 10 wins was a lot better than you're making it sound. Everyone was well aware of our deficiencies on defense - that's why we appreciated the fact we outscored 10 out of 16 opponents.
Since we're both in a topic about the WR position - why don't we get back to discussing how we can make this an easier team to QB via help on the perimeter.
2007 became the easiest season we've seen to play QB here this side of 1999.
2007 was the easiest to QB because of the sharp improvement on the Oline. Joe Thomas and Steinbach were the absolute difference between those two years. If you put Anderson on the 06 team, the results would have practically been the same.
Lord knows I'm not opposed to getting help for this offense, but I can't picture investing a near top 10 pick for a WR like Parker.
Considering this draft is deepest at the positions the Browns need the most, Dline, WR, OLB & TE - coupled with Pettine saying it starts with defense (and Farmers widely known belief on 1st round receivers ). It's highly unlikely you see investments that early in the draft. There is plenty of help to be had round 2 and beyond.
2007 was the easiest to QB because of the sharp improvement on the Oline. Joe Thomas and Steinbach were the absolute difference between those two years. If you put Anderson on the 06 team, the results would have practically been the same.
Lord knows I'm not opposed to getting help for this offense, but I can't picture investing a near top 10 pick for a WR like Parker.
Considering this draft is deepest at the positions the Browns need the most, Dline, WR, OLB & TE - coupled with Pettine saying it starts with defense (and Farmers widely known belief on 1st round receivers ). It's highly unlikely you see investments that early in the draft. There is plenty of help to be had round 2 and beyond.
Is it really widely known? He's been a GM for one draft. He didn't take a WR. They asked him why and he responded by saying he'd rather get a guy who's more "involved". That's it.
It's not like he's a seasoned vet who hasn't taken a WR in the first round in 20 years.
For all we know, he may have just fucked up and then tried to justify his reasoning after the fact. He could take two WRs in the first round this year.
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2007 was the easiest to QB because of the sharp improvement on the Oline. Joe Thomas and Steinbach were the absolute difference between those two years. If you put Anderson on the 06 team, the results would have practically been the same.
Lord knows I'm not opposed to getting help for this offense, but I can't picture investing a near top 10 pick for a WR like Parker.
Considering this draft is deepest at the positions the Browns need the most, Dline, WR, OLB & TE - coupled with Pettine saying it starts with defense (and Farmers widely known belief on 1st round receivers ). It's highly unlikely you see investments that early in the draft. There is plenty of help to be had round 2 and beyond.
Is it really widely known? He's been a GM for one draft. He didn't take a WR. They asked him why and he responded by saying he'd rather get a guy who's more "involved". That's it.
It's not like he's a seasoned vet who hasn't taken a WR in the first round in 20 years.
For all we know, he may have just fucked up and then tried to justify his reasoning after the fact. He could take two WRs in the first round this year.
Is it really widely known? He's been a GM for one draft. He didn't take a WR. They asked him why and he responded by saying he'd rather get a guy who's more "involved". That's it.
It's not like he's a seasoned vet who hasn't taken a WR in the first round in 20 years.
For all we know, he may have just fucked up and then tried to justify his reasoning after the fact. He could take two WRs in the first round this year.
I guess I"ll concede you that. However if he had 'fucked up' I'm pretty sure the reasoning would have been a bit less informative. Something along the lines of "such and such was our highest rated player on the board and that's what we stuck with. Flat out admitting your philosophy is that WR's only have a small handful of times to change the game compared to a player always involved is pretty telling.
Of course, what is more telling was the obvious pass on taking Watkins for a CB.
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Understanding our QB situation at the start of 2007 along with the train wreck we witnessed in week 1 - finishing with 10 wins was a lot better than you're making it sound. Everyone was well aware of our deficiencies on defense - that's why we appreciated the fact we outscored 10 out of 16 opponents.
Since we're both in a topic about the WR position - why don't we get back to discussing how we can make this an easier team to QB via help on the perimeter.
2007 became the easiest season we've seen to play QB here this side of 1999.
2007 was the easiest to QB because of the sharp improvement on the Oline. Joe Thomas and Steinbach were the absolute difference between those two years. If you put Anderson on the 06 team, the results would have practically been the same.
Lord knows I'm not opposed to getting help for this offense, but I can't picture investing a near top 10 pick for a WR like Parker.
Considering this draft is deepest at the positions the Browns need the most, Dline, WR, OLB & TE - coupled with Pettine saying it starts with defense (and Farmers widely known belief on 1st round receivers ). It's highly unlikely you see investments that early in the draft. There is plenty of help to be had round 2 and beyond.
2007 was the easiest to QB because of the sharp improvement on the Oline. Joe Thomas and Steinbach were the absolute difference between those two years. If you put Anderson on the 06 team, the results would have practically been the same.
Lord knows I'm not opposed to getting help for this offense, but I can't picture investing a near top 10 pick for a WR like Parker.
Considering this draft is deepest at the positions the Browns need the most, Dline, WR, OLB & TE - coupled with Pettine saying it starts with defense (and Farmers widely known belief on 1st round receivers ). It's highly unlikely you see investments that early in the draft. There is plenty of help to be had round 2 and beyond.
We had Thomas and Steinbach in 2008, 2009, and 2010 too; but our WR Corps never duplicated 20 TD receptions while our QB never threw 29 TD passes again like that 2007 season. That's why we went back to our usual 5 wins a year and played musical coaches. No balance coming from our passing game allowing defenses to load the box with 8-9 defenders. We still ran the ball well because we finished 8th out 32 teams at rushing the ball in 2009 while Hillis had his Madden cover boy season in 2010.
Running the ball wasn't a problem at all when Mack was in the lineup in 2014 while Bitonio is the closest thing we've seen to Steinbach at LG. Mack has actually made more Pro Bowls than Hank Fraley; so we're very similar upfront. We had one of the best yards per carry averages throughout the games Mack started in 2014. Where are we with the passing game though? Like I said, 12 TD passes from the QB and 8 TD receptions from the WR Corps in 2014. You can pretend that's fine all you want; but that doesn't gibe us a balanced attack. That's why I suggested Perriman in round 2.
Farmer isn't going to announce what he plans on drafting and he's told people this. That's why a ton of people were shocked we drafted a corner first in 2014. 8 TDs from your WR Corps isn't exactly QB friendly in a passing era. You're too busy trying to win an argument to understand my message about 2007. It was the 1 time our perimeter made a Pro Bowl alternate out of a career backup QB.
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