O-line Draft Class of 2015
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Notes on Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU
Had 2014 tape of Cedric at both LT and RT. It is easy to see why he was moved back to RT. Much more natural movement on the right side; looked the part there. That said he lacks technique on both sides. While he was out of position often, his opponents' inability to capitalize made him seem more effective than he really was.
Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU (02-14-15) LT vs. MissSt/SCar; RT vs. Auburn - bad tech, mini kick, weak chop, no base - feet too close; pops up to start run block, almost hops and ends up out of position; escorts well, but low anticipation; @RT v Miss more confident and moved better, but tech still weak; still no drop step.
Notes on Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU
Had 2014 tape of Cedric at both LT and RT. It is easy to see why he was moved back to RT. Much more natural movement on the right side; looked the part there. That said he lacks technique on both sides. While he was out of position often, his opponents' inability to capitalize made him seem more effective than he really was.
Cedric Ogbuehi: TAMU (02-14-15) LT vs. MissSt/SCar; RT vs. Auburn - bad tech, mini kick, weak chop, no base - feet too close; pops up to start run block, almost hops and ends up out of position; escorts well, but low anticipation; @RT v Miss more confident and moved better, but tech still weak; still no drop step.
Wasn't it our resident Aggie pimping this kid as a mortal lock for the 1st round and top OT?
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My first Center and one I had some hopes for, but strength question was raised vs. OSU. We made great line adjustments exposing weaknesses in both Hronis and Jake Fisher.
C Hronis Grasu: Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - good head/ line calls, but can't handle D-line 1 on 1; lotta 2nd level with good movement, Strength is big question.
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Tour-take a look at Collins in Senior Bowl tape. I thought I might be wrong which bowl when I did not find him on one of the SB rosters, but he was in it and played very well.
"Wasn't it our resident Aggie pimping this kid as a mortal lock for the 1st round and top OT?"
Me and a lot of other folks who do it for a living early in the year. The experiment from R to L did not work as well as hoped. He is more natural on the R side and would be a steal for the long run in the 3rd if he is still there. Plus his first 2 years were at RG so he has versatility.
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Tour2ma what are your thoughts on Jake Fisher? I saw a few scouts on Twitter yesterday saying he had some of the best hands among OTs in this year's draft.
Tour2ma what are your thoughts on Jake Fisher? I saw a few scouts on Twitter yesterday saying he had some of the best hands among OTs in this year's draft.
Notes on Jake Fisher...
Looked like a world beater vs. UCLA and FSU, but Buckeye's exposed susceptibility to inside rush. Still looked good enough to slide into #4 slot for now...
Jake Fisher; Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - funny split v UCLA, no kick drop, but chops well with good seat, good shadowing, runs well & drives well, looks lean can add lbs, stands tall, got bulled once, looked lean in white, but now thicker in green (v FSU), 3 diff OSU DEs lined up, only difficulty was with quicks of OSU "LB" #43, beatable cross face? Yes... 43 showed way and other DEs followed.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Tour2ma what are your thoughts on Jake Fisher? I saw a few scouts on Twitter yesterday saying he had some of the best hands among OTs in this year's draft.
Notes on Jake Fisher...
Looked like a world beater vs. UCLA and FSU, but Buckeye's exposed susceptibility to inside rush. Still looked good enough to slide into #4 slot for now...
Jake Fisher; Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - funny split v UCLA, no kick drop, but chops well with good seat, good shadowing, runs well & drives well, looks lean can add lbs, stands tall, got bulled once, looked lean in white, but now thicker in green (v FSU), 3 diff OSU DEs lined up, only difficulty was with quicks of OSU "LB" #43, beatable cross face? Yes... 43 showed way and other DEs followed.
Notes on Jake Fisher...
Looked like a world beater vs. UCLA and FSU, but Buckeye's exposed susceptibility to inside rush. Still looked good enough to slide into #4 slot for now...
Jake Fisher; Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - funny split v UCLA, no kick drop, but chops well with good seat, good shadowing, runs well & drives well, looks lean can add lbs, stands tall, got bulled once, looked lean in white, but now thicker in green (v FSU), 3 diff OSU DEs lined up, only difficulty was with quicks of OSU "LB" #43, beatable cross face? Yes... 43 showed way and other DEs followed.
My bad, I was reading through your review of OTs in post #2 and didn't check page 2 of the thread. I'm surprised to see you rank Collins so low however, most consider him to be round 1 lock.
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Yeah, I've kinda gotten caught between two different ways of organizing the reviews and need to clean it up.
On Collins... I may have him too low. I want to go back and take 2nd look at a player or two that I looked at early. Feels like my observations may have improved (or at least changed) as I've gone along.
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At least I like women......as Peen noted....you are probably thrilled by Jenner's sex change, eh?
thrilled? not me. i could give a rat's ass. but from what you've told me the doctor should be thrilled. because, as you know, there's not much to lop off.
and you always thought that thing you were sucking on was a clit.
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Spent some time on S. Carolina OG, A.J. Cann. If he is the best of the Class of '015, then I'm not looking forward to seeing the rest. Here are the raw notes:
AJ Cann: S. Car (02-24-15) vs. TAMU/ Missou - Anchors well v pass rush, moves better than advertised getting quickly to 2nd level, but... gets lost in space. Sees stunts, etc. but can't get to them. Anticipation? Reaction? Some of the latter for sure as he ws eaten up by two diferent Missou DL quick off the ball and taking angles.. - not impressed...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
@mudfly said:
I also heard the Browns did reach out to Ginn and will be meeting with him and Eagles TE James Casey....
And if Casey is coming in, then Cameron aint......
Casey has great versatility all over the offense. Including catching passes from the backfield. I like that.
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@mudfly said:
I also heard the Browns did reach out to Ginn and will be meeting with him and Eagles TE James Casey....
And if Casey is coming in, then Cameron aint......
Casey has great versatility all over the offense. Including catching passes from the backfield. I like that.
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Spent some time on S. Carolina OG, A.J. Cann. If he is the best of the Class of '015, then I'm not looking forward to seeing the rest. Here are the raw notes:
AJ Cann: S. Car (02-24-15) vs. TAMU/ Missou - Anchors well v pass rush, moves better than advertised getting quickly to 2nd level, but... gets lost in space. Sees stunts, etc. but can't get to them. Anticipation? Reaction? Some of the latter for sure as he ws eaten up by two diferent Missou DL quick off the ball and taking angles.. - not impressed...
Spent some time on S. Carolina OG, A.J. Cann. If he is the best of the Class of '015, then I'm not looking forward to seeing the rest. Here are the raw notes:
AJ Cann: S. Car (02-24-15) vs. TAMU/ Missou - Anchors well v pass rush, moves better than advertised getting quickly to 2nd level, but... gets lost in space. Sees stunts, etc. but can't get to them. Anticipation? Reaction? Some of the latter for sure as he ws eaten up by two diferent Missou DL quick off the ball and taking angles.. - not impressed...
Did he get matched up against Rey in any of your watchings?
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And Mizzou just added the ESPN 300 #2 best player overall to their 2015 class in DT Terry Berkner Jr.
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Big kid? Or another in what seems like a line of smallish, but quick, Missou D-line?
Brantley looks like a 3-4 DE of the future...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=122161&draftyear=2017&genpos=DT
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For the life of me, I'd like to understand DJ Humphries inclusion in some reputable mockers' Top 10 overall.
Tour, you have him the 20th ranked Tackle at a 7th round value. Why would some teams being falling in love with DJ Humphries?
(enough to perpetuate rumor he may be first Tackle to go...crazy?)
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Tour, would you applaud Tre Jackson wearing Brown & Orange with pick #43?
I like him there if Clemmings, Erving & Flowers are gone and O-line has yet to be addressed in the draft.
Also, does Odighizuwa/DE fit our 3-4 scheme, in your opinion?
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For the life of me, I'd like to understand DJ Humphries inclusion in some reputable mockers' Top 10 overall.
Tour, you have him the 20th ranked Tackle at a 7th round value. Why would some teams being falling in love with DJ Humphries?
(enough to perpetuate rumor he may be first Tackle to go...crazy?)
For the life of me, I'd like to understand DJ Humphries inclusion in some reputable mockers' Top 10 overall.
Tour, you have him the 20th ranked Tackle at a 7th round value. Why would some teams being falling in love with DJ Humphries?
(enough to perpetuate rumor he may be first Tackle to go...crazy?)
The rankings are DraftScouts, not mine. I haven't gotten to Humphrey's tape yet. From what I understand of his story, it's a mix of youth, potential and injury. Post-combine he has risen to the #10 slot.
Tour, would you applaud Tre Jackson wearing Brown & Orange with pick #43?
I like him there if Clemmings, Erving & Flowers are gone and O-line has yet to be addressed in the draft.
Also, does Odighizuwa/DE fit our 3-4 scheme, in your opinion?
Not a lot of work in on Jackson, but as of now I'd say no... too heavy-footed for the ZBS.
D-line is not my focus, but I don't see Odigh in Pet's hybrid... too much of a tweener.
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Big kid? Or another in what seems like a line of smallish, but quick, Missou D-line?
Brantley looks like a 3-4 DE of the future...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=122161&draftyear=2017&genpos=DT
Big kid? Or another in what seems like a line of smallish, but quick, Missou D-line?
Brantley looks like a 3-4 DE of the future...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=122161&draftyear=2017&genpos=DT
This is how he is listed anyway.
DT East Saint Louis, ILEast St. Louis High School 6'4'' 298
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