O-line Draft Class of 2015

andeftw

Tour2ma what are your thoughts on Jake Fisher? I saw a few scouts on Twitter yesterday saying he had some of the best hands among OTs in this year's draft.

Tour2ma

@andeftw said:
Tour2ma what are your thoughts on Jake Fisher? I saw a few scouts on Twitter yesterday saying he had some of the best hands among OTs in this year's draft.

@tour2ma said:

Notes on Jake Fisher...

Looked like a world beater vs. UCLA and FSU, but Buckeye's exposed susceptibility to inside rush. Still looked good enough to slide into #4 slot for now...

Jake Fisher; Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - funny split v UCLA, no kick drop, but chops well with good seat, good shadowing, runs well & drives well, looks lean can add lbs, stands tall, got bulled once, looked lean in white, but now thicker in green (v FSU), 3 diff OSU DEs lined up, only difficulty was with quicks of OSU "LB" #43, beatable cross face? Yes... 43 showed way and other DEs followed.

andeftw

@tour2ma said:

Notes on Jake Fisher...

Looked like a world beater vs. UCLA and FSU, but Buckeye's exposed susceptibility to inside rush. Still looked good enough to slide into #4 slot for now...

Jake Fisher; Oregon (02-14-15) vs. UCLA/ FSU/ OSU - funny split v UCLA, no kick drop, but chops well with good seat, good shadowing, runs well & drives well, looks lean can add lbs, stands tall, got bulled once, looked lean in white, but now thicker in green (v FSU), 3 diff OSU DEs lined up, only difficulty was with quicks of OSU "LB" #43, beatable cross face? Yes... 43 showed way and other DEs followed.

My bad, I was reading through your review of OTs in post #2 and didn't check page 2 of the thread. I'm surprised to see you rank Collins so low however, most consider him to be round 1 lock.

Tour2ma

Yeah, I've kinda gotten caught between two different ways of organizing the reviews and need to clean it up.

On Collins... I may have him too low. I want to go back and take 2nd look at a player or two that I looked at early. Feels like my observations may have improved (or at least changed) as I've gone along.

miktoxic

@the-gipper said:
At least I like women......as Peen noted....you are probably thrilled by Jenner's sex change, eh?

thrilled? not me. i could give a rat's ass. but from what you've told me the doctor should be thrilled. because, as you know, there's not much to lop off.

and you always thought that thing you were sucking on was a clit.

Tour2ma

Spent some time on S. Carolina OG, A.J. Cann. If he is the best of the Class of '015, then I'm not looking forward to seeing the rest. Here are the raw notes:

AJ Cann: S. Car (02-24-15) vs. TAMU/ Missou - Anchors well v pass rush, moves better than advertised getting quickly to 2nd level, but... gets lost in space. Sees stunts, etc. but can't get to them. Anticipation? Reaction? Some of the latter for sure as he ws eaten up by two diferent Missou DL quick off the ball and taking angles.. - not impressed...

tiamat63

@mudfly said:

I also heard the Browns did reach out to Ginn and will be meeting with him and Eagles TE James Casey....

And if Casey is coming in, then Cameron aint......

Casey has great versatility all over the offense. Including catching passes from the backfield. I like that.

Mudfly

ha...just deleted by mistake, so glad you quoted....not sure I put this in the right place tho....almost o line tho...

Mudfly

@tiamat63 said:
Casey has great versatility all over the offense. Including catching passes from the backfield. I like that.

and....THE BEST PART.......unlike Cameron, he can actually run block quite well

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

Spent some time on S. Carolina OG, A.J. Cann. If he is the best of the Class of '015, then I'm not looking forward to seeing the rest. Here are the raw notes:

AJ Cann: S. Car (02-24-15) vs. TAMU/ Missou - Anchors well v pass rush, moves better than advertised getting quickly to 2nd level, but... gets lost in space. Sees stunts, etc. but can't get to them. Anticipation? Reaction? Some of the latter for sure as he ws eaten up by two diferent Missou DL quick off the ball and taking angles.. - not impressed...

Did he get matched up against Rey in any of your watchings?

Tour2ma

Not that I remember...

As I watch prospects for this thread sometimes another player catches my attention. A Soph DT for Missou - #90 Harold Brantley did here. Very fast off the ball.

TexasAg1969

And Mizzou just added the ESPN 300 #2 best player overall to their 2015 class in DT Terry Berkner Jr.

Tour2ma

Big kid? Or another in what seems like a line of smallish, but quick, Missou D-line?

Brantley looks like a 3-4 DE of the future...

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=122161&draftyear=2017&genpos=DT

Naberius_Cerbera

For the life of me, I'd like to understand DJ Humphries inclusion in some reputable mockers' Top 10 overall.

Tour, you have him the 20th ranked Tackle at a 7th round value. Why would some teams being falling in love with DJ Humphries?

(enough to perpetuate rumor he may be first Tackle to go...crazy?)

Naberius_Cerbera

Tour, would you applaud Tre Jackson wearing Brown & Orange with pick #43?

I like him there if Clemmings, Erving & Flowers are gone and O-line has yet to be addressed in the draft.

Also, does Odighizuwa/DE fit our 3-4 scheme, in your opinion?

Tour2ma

@naberius_cerbera said:

For the life of me, I'd like to understand DJ Humphries inclusion in some reputable mockers' Top 10 overall.

Tour, you have him the 20th ranked Tackle at a 7th round value. Why would some teams being falling in love with DJ Humphries?

(enough to perpetuate rumor he may be first Tackle to go...crazy?)

The rankings are DraftScouts, not mine. I haven't gotten to Humphrey's tape yet. From what I understand of his story, it's a mix of youth, potential and injury. Post-combine he has risen to the #10 slot.

@naberius_cerbera said:

Tour, would you applaud Tre Jackson wearing Brown & Orange with pick #43?

I like him there if Clemmings, Erving & Flowers are gone and O-line has yet to be addressed in the draft.

Also, does Odighizuwa/DE fit our 3-4 scheme, in your opinion?

Not a lot of work in on Jackson, but as of now I'd say no... too heavy-footed for the ZBS.

D-line is not my focus, but I don't see Odigh in Pet's hybrid... too much of a tweener.

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:

Big kid? Or another in what seems like a line of smallish, but quick, Missou D-line?

Brantley looks like a 3-4 DE of the future...

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=122161&draftyear=2017&genpos=DT

This is how he is listed anyway.

Terry Beckner Jr.

Video | Scouts Report

DT East Saint Louis, IL

East St. Louis High School 6'4'' 298

Tour2ma

Finally got around to DJ. Good prospect, but I don't see first round talent. That said a lot of folks must see potential as he has shot up DraftScout's OT list from #20 initially with a 7th round grade to #7 now with a 2nd...

DJ Humphries: Florida (03-18-15) vs LSU/ FSU - no kick, but good chop; fires high at times; waist leaner in pass pro and can get pulled off bal/ ripped; fluid to 2nd level, but not real effective when gets there; once ripped inside is set to be beat by speed out; looks to have good head.... no errors, missed assignments, etc.

Flugel

@tour2ma said:

Offensive Tackle Reviews

LTs:

Brandon Scherff: Iowa (02-02-15) vs. IND/Maryland - No kick dropstep - shuffles; good feet; good hands, but high. Prone to getting bulled by power and faked by speed. Good accel, no drive. Do not run his way much. Head? Strength? Athletic, but fundamentally weak

Andrus Peat: Stanford (02-02-15) vs. ND - fldgling kick step; great posture; power, agility, looks to be head of the class by more than a little, NFL ready

La'el Collins: LSU (02-09-15) vs. Wis/Auburn/BAMA/OleMiss - Good movement, but lacks fluidity of top prospect, good angles, Power?; most determined game vs. Ole Miss Reaction time? Raw, no drop step;

Erick Flowers: Miami (02-10-15) vs. FSU/UVA/S.Car - Fluid w/ signs of technique vs. FSU; choppier v SC, but still effective. Does not destroy 2nd level.

Cameron Erving: FSU (02-11-15) vs. OK St/ND - no kick; lotta waist bend; feet look heavy; fires out on run blocks; focus? Head? ND's DE Sheldon Day gave fits with low edge rush. I can see as an interior prospect, but would like to see tape on him there.

Tyrus Thompson: Oklahoma (02-13-15) vs. WVU - Slow, no tech.. no kick drop; no fireout, awkward

Ty Sambrailo: Colorado St. (02-13-15) vs. SanJose St/BC - fledgling kick, good chop steps, decent posture, unchallenged by SJ, runs well and under control, reminds of Bito; conditioning? some fall off late 1st half vs. BC, can pull. Good discipline, quick decisions. Strength?

RTs:
T.J.Clemmings: Pitt (02-09-15) vs. Duke/Mia/UVA/VaTech - has kick-drop; latches on; can move; good fire and turn; stays with OG; calm, good decisions; comp level? Can he move to Left side?

Daryl Williams: Oklahoma (02-13-15) vs. WVU - fledgling kick, ugly chop with bit wide stance and lean, mild fire a bit upright, crosses feet in retreat

Nice work Tour - thanks for putting that all that together!

Is there a guy you'd like our front office to strongly consider in round 1 or do you think we have more pressing needs at this time?

I didn't realize Ereck Flowers had surgery on a torn meniscus during last season and returned later in the year. I just got this information in the Draft Guide I bought this weekend. It also says he's adept at getting to the second level; but I agree with your assessment he doesn't destroy it. In fact, the NC matchup I'll link below is from 2 seasons ago which shows a lot of what you found in other matchups above. He has a bad habit of putting his head down when he's downfield so he misses a lot of very doable blocks on smaller bodied guys. That shouldn't be impossible to correct wherever he goes. I once thought he'd be somebody I'd be okay with in round 1 but I've cooled off on that.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+videos+of+ereck+flowers&FORM=VIRE3#view=detail&mid=059011F03FB4D09F1E33059011F03FB4D09F1E33

In this draft I think I'd rather have us go oline in round 3 or 4. I like your guy Ali Marpet somewhere in this part of the draft. I'm hoping the position and small school thing keeps him out there until round 4 or so.

Mudfly

@tour2ma said:

Finally got around to DJ. Good prospect, but I don't see first round talent. That said a lot of folks must see potential as he has shot up DraftScout's OT list from #20 initially with a 7th round grade to #7 now with a 2nd...

DJ Humphries: Florida (03-18-15) vs LSU/ FSU - no kick, but good chop; fires high at times; waist leaner in pass pro and can get pulled off bal/ ripped; fluid to 2nd level, but not real effective when gets there; once ripped inside is set to be beat by speed out; looks to have good head.... no errors, missed assignments, etc.

so what is your final thought on where he should go....7th round to the 2nd round is quite a jump....

and do you have ideas on these 2 centers I keep seeing(and picking) in the 4th-5tth roundish area....Finney and Gallik?.....either one a C/G prospect or potential Mack replacement(forgive the suggestion).....