Who is under more pressure? Pet or Farmer?
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Eric Davis on NFL Network this morning was insistent that the Browns must start JM this season regardless of who they bring in as a "backup" (looking more and more like Josh McCown http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473873/article/josh-mccown-visiting-qbneedy-cleveland-browns) or either Farmer or Pettine losses his job for screwing up the pick. "They must give him a real chance to either make it or fail as soon as they think he is ready. Otherwise one of those two losses his job."
Strong words.
Eric Davis on NFL Network this morning was insistent that the Browns must start JM this season regardless of who they bring in as a "backup" or either Farmer or Pettine losses his job for screwing up the pick. "They must give him a real chance to either make it or fail as soon as they think he is ready. Otherwise one of those two losses his job."
Strong words.
Strong is one characterization... but look at what he threw in as a qualifier... "... as soon as they think he is ready." Duh! I can hear Pet now... "Yeah, we think Johnny is ready, but I'm still going to sit him."
Add that no one is getting fired over one pick... especially not one as uncertain as JM was... and stupid becomes a better descriptor. Staff's are fired over direction of the team as whole and team performance vs. expectations.
Sometimes air time just has to be filled.
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I'd fire Farmer before I'd fire Pettine.
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To answer the question posed in the title:
Off season, Farmer is under more pressure.
In season, it is Pettine.
Pretty simple, really.
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Farmer is under waaay more pressure at this point. At the end of it all... the GM always takes the knock for bad picks. But what's made his seat somehow even hotter is the idiotic transgression to text the sideline during a game. That's joker level... bush league... and his head should roll for that. There's probably a telling reason it's never been done before (GMs are usually savvy guys) and it *hints* something about Ray that he was the first and only to ever do it.
It takes a lot of faith to keep Ray Farmer in the GM seat; it took a ton of faith to put him there to begin with.
The bright side is, the Ray Farmer story could one day be special for a good reason (possibly) if Jimmy lets him get his lumps in at GM. Right now, thus far, the Ray Farmer story is *special* for a bad reason, as though he were dense. The dude is 40, very very young for a GM.... he should get better, but the leash can't afford to be real long from here. A savvy draft in 2015 is all he needs....
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For the record.... Johnny was just like Indians SS/2B prospect Brandon Phillips. Way over-confident... not humbled enough by their age.
Brandon Phillips had MLB All-Star fielding skills but his bat needed developed. His attitude was such a distraction in the minors that he was put in "The Show/The MLB" and hit at the Mendoza Line (.200) for a season to humble him.
Mike Pettine saw Johnny's poor commitment & didn't start him until he faced the toughest Ds on the schedule: CIN, @CAR, @BAL (got hurt in CAR). This may have been for a good reason... and it seems to have worked.
Johnny voluntarily entered Recovery, seeking to resolve his belief system. It worked. (at least to the first degree)
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Farmer is under waaay more pressure at this point. At the end of it all... the GM always takes the knock for bad picks. But what's made his seat somehow even hotter is the idiotic transgression to text the sideline during a game. That's joker level... bush league... and his head should roll for that. There's probably a telling reason it's never been done before (GMs are usually savvy guys) and it *hints* something about Ray that he was the first and only to ever do it.
It takes a lot of faith to keep Ray Farmer in the GM seat; it took a ton of faith to put him there to begin with.
The bright side is, the Ray Farmer story could one day be special for a good reason (possibly) if Jimmy lets him get his lumps in at GM. Right now, thus far, the Ray Farmer story is *special* for a bad reason, as though he were dense. The dude is 40, very very young for a GM.... he should get better, but the leash can't afford to be real long from here. A savvy draft in 2015 is all he needs....
But what's made his seat somehow even hotter is the idiotic transgression to text the sideline during a game........ There's probably a telling reason it's never been done before (GMs are usually savvy guys) and it *hints* something about Ray that he was the first and only to ever do it.
Thats an assumption....."that it's never been done before"......
It's just as possible that it happens all the time and the real "first" is that our OC broke code and cried to a reporter about it.....
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Philips went on to become a multi-time MLB All-Star (albeit for the Reds, not the Indians)....
and likewise, Johnny's future may be more than we could foresee after 6 Quarters in 2014.
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Look, Mudfly from Painesville...
The fact remains that the transgression occurred. And it's a gross one.
I'm not calling for his head, but I would have a right to... a smoking gun reason to.
There's a logic you employed that is really fucked up. Recognize that.
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How 'bout you employ just a bit more of your brain, old man Tour2ma if you care to follow up my point?
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the texting rule was made because of knucklehead players texting friends and family AND other players during the game.
now what would have happened to farmer if he had just gone down on the sidelines and talked to someone? is that against the 'rules' too?
i seem to remember owners on the sidelines every game, but there is no rule against that, is there?
to say someone should get fired for texting the sidelines is ludacris.
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I'm not personally a fan of Manziel any more than what wearing Brown and Orange grants you in my Heart.
What I know is...
A] the kid got his ass handed to him through 6 quarters in NFL, after doing acrobatics at A&M...
and a lifetime's worth of who knows what outside the lines.
and
B] he entered treatment either to truly sort out his purpose & mission or because his PR dept. convinced him for his image.
C] this season... we got till April 15, 2016... to determine which part of B is true and how that looks to translate between the lines going forward.
D] it's been done before that a 21/22 yr old finds themself after chaos and lives on to do things contrary to perception.
That's what I know... and at least through 2015, we want to be open to the narrative of redemption for Manziel. Discover the developing story... flaming degenerate or redeemed quality QB (to his NFL potential, whatever that is.) The teller is whether the guy will actually work his ass off in that film room. How is he changing? Not what isn't he doing, but 'what IS he doing?'
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actually, miktoxic...
you should likely review the knucklehead because the rule was not made for players, and the owners are only on the sideline well before kickoff on game day.
you don't know the rules you speak towards and you might not understand them if you would read 'em.
There's certain boxes in the stadium for owners & GMs & other team personnel like the spotters & callers of the game.
There's a reason that players use that phone on the sideline.
And only certain team officials are able to be on the other end of that line, or on the radio with the sideline.
GM & Owner are not among those designated to be communicating with the sideline during a game.
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actually, miktoxic...
you should likely review the knucklehead because the rule was not made for players, and the owners are only on the sideline well before kickoff on game day.
you don't know the rules you speak towards and you might not understand them if you would read 'em.
There's certain boxes in the stadium for owners & GMs & other team personnel like the spotters & callers of the game.
There's a reason that players use that phone on the sideline.
And only certain team officials are able to be on the other end of that line, or on the radio with the sideline.
GM & Owner are not among those designated to be communicating with the sideline during a game.
actually, miktoxic...
you should likely review the knucklehead because the rule was not made for players, and the owners are only on the sideline well before kickoff on game day.
you don't know the rules you speak towards and you might not understand them if you would read 'em.
There's certain boxes in the stadium for owners & GMs & other team personnel like the spotters & callers of the game.
There's a reason that players use that phone on the sideline.
And only certain team officials are able to be on the other end of that line, or on the radio with the sideline.
GM & Owner are not among those designated to be communicating with the sideline during a game.
that's why my post was formed with questions because i was asking. i don't know the rules.
so the times where we see jerry jones on the sidelines are at a designated time at the end of the game?
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actually, Ludacris is a "music" artist...
Ludicrous is the actual term you hoped to employ in regards to an otherwise still unintelligible comment.
Just being a civil servant. (if no one sets something like this straight, what becomes of us?)
I appreciate your enthusiasm for the Browns... we relate there.
That's our nature of relation.
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you're talking about a guy with enough money to buy Roger Goodell & maybe the other 31 teams... or at least 16 of them.
I am sorry about the lewd comments above. They were undeserved & I regret 'em.
Do you have another example of an owner on the sideline during a game?
A lot of times they are down there during warm up sessions.
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i know pat bowlen used to be on the sidelines late in the 4th quarter for every home broncos game in that big mink coat of his.
(and i actually binged ludacrous for the correct spelling and i came away with lucacris.... this new fangled technology.............).
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to protect the spirit of the game, the NFL has strict rules governing team communication during a game.
Current technology provides ridiculous scenarios for filtering messages to the sideline...
fans could call a hotline and give all sorts of information, for starters.
The idea is to make is as close to the 1940's as possible, practically. (kinda...)
Two organizations that have been busted in recent years as gross transgressors to this spirit of the game and the rules that protect it were...
1) The New England Patriots... their spygate was just sickening & widespread, I believe. Very widespread. What the NFL punished for was very minute, and for possibly many reasons (least of all, League image) (like the NBA did with referee Denehey [sp?])
2) The New Orleans Saints.... their front office brass had bugs planted in the visiting team areas of the SuperDome to record any information they could use for their advantage in the game. The NFL investigated and found this several years back.
What the Browns Ray Farmer did is, comparatively, much less than this... so much so, it's uncomparable.... like a kid that wouldn't let his friend ride his plastic horse on springs (as I once did at 6 yrs old) compared to what the Enron brass did to ruin countless degrees of quality of thousands, maybe millions of lives.
Effectively, what Ray Farmer actually did was less than deflating game balls in effect to the nature of competition. But because it falls under this realm of potentially great consequence to the game, the punishment [theoretically] should be harder than that of deflating game balls or using underinflated game balls.
Whatever the punishment for Ray Farmer's faux pas <fo' paw> what I know is that it better be A HELL of a lot less than the pussy whip the NFL gave to New England and New Orleans, respectively.
A HEEEEEEELLL OF A LOT LESS.
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actually, miktoxic...
you should likely review the knucklehead because the rule was not made for players, and the owners are only on the sideline well before kickoff on game day.
you don't know the rules you speak towards and you might not understand them if you would read 'em.
There's certain boxes in the stadium for owners & GMs & other team personnel like the spotters & callers of the game.
There's a reason that players use that phone on the sideline.
And only certain team officials are able to be on the other end of that line, or on the radio with the sideline.
GM & Owner are not among those designated to be communicating with the sideline during a game.
you don't know the rules you speak towards and you might not understand them if you would read 'em.
There's certain boxes in the stadium for owners & GMs & other team personnel like the spotters & callers of the game.
There's a reason that players use that phone on the sideline.
And only certain team officials are able to be on the other end of that line, or on the radio with the sideline.
GM & Owner are not among those designated to be communicating with the sideline during a game.
There is an owners box and a coaches box, but there arent hard rules about who sits in them. Just called the owners box because it's his box, etc. Anybody(coaches/GMs/Owners) can go anywhere they want and talk to whomever they want. So owners can be in the Coaches box and on the sideline....and coaches can be on the sideline or in the box too.....different teams do it different ways...
And that includes owners on the sidelines. They are allowed(and they are the ones who makes the rules, so it wont change)
And anyone can communicate with anyone they want....."just not on a cell phone, on the sideline, during a game"....
So Farmer could have called Shanny from the coaches box and it would have been fine, but since he texted it broke the rules.....it's not "what he did" but "how he did it"....
that's why my post was formed with questions because i was asking. i don't know the rules.
so the times where we see jerry jones on the sidelines are at a designated time at the end of the game?
Jerrys on the side line all the time.....Basically, there are 3 zones on the sideline and any non player/coach has to stay in zone 3 or risk an interference penalty(rarely if ever happens)...but the team can give sideline credentials to ANYBODY....and they are allowed as long as they stay away from the field of play...
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