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The real reason behind "common core"

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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    I don't think very many of the UAW members I work with are liberal lol.

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    @mld-woody said:

    I don't think very many of the UAW members I work with are liberal lol.

    You don't think that labor unions vote Democrat??? It's one of the key constituencies.

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      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      Naive equals Woody.

      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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        If the union is the most important issue to them, and only one side supports it, then they may vote that way. I wouldn't say that makes them "liberal" as a whole though. I know many very much like their guns, the military, aren't big fans of immigrants, etc.

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          Well, you have to turn up the volume to

          get the woodpecker translation:


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            @mld-woody said:

            I don't think very many of the UAW members I work with are liberal lol.

            You don't think that labor unions vote Democrat??? It's one of the key constituencies.

            WSS

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            @westside-steve said:

            You don't think that labor unions vote Democrat??? It's one of the key constituencies.

            WSS

            In todays world it seems union heads financially support Dems, but the actual people within unions are mixed.

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              Yeah, it's very strange. I hope we get a Rep president with some conservative nads,..

              who will work with Congress to make all of America "right to work"....whereas, workers will

              not be required to join a union and pay dues. That way, the unions will have to start being

              truly representative of their members, instead of going off the deep end with liberal democrats.

              I admire Dr. Carson, Gov. Walker and Gov. Jindal. Fiorina for VP maybe, but not president.

              I will not vote for Trump, (stupid), Jeb Bushleague, etc etc etc.

              I will work for the campaigns of the above current possible nominees, if they go for it....

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                Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

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                  Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

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                  @baconhound said:

                  Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

                  White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

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                    @baconhound said:

                    Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

                    White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

                    WSS

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                    @westside-steve said:

                    White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

                    WSS

                    You forgot Christians.
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                      @baconhound said:

                      Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

                      White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

                      WSS

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                      @westside-steve said:

                      White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

                      WSS

                      Not at all. I don't think labeling a single group as the culprit is ever the solution. There are always people with agendas both individual and utilitarian, unfortunately throughout all aspects of our society it appears special interest is stronger than ever.

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                        @westside-steve said:

                        White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

                        WSS

                        Not at all. I don't think labeling a single group as the culprit is ever the solution. There are always people with agendas both individual and utilitarian, unfortunately throughout all aspects of our society it appears special interest is stronger than ever.

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                        @baconhound said:

                        Not at all. I don't think labeling a single group as the culprit is ever the solution. There are always people with agendas both individual and utilitarian, unfortunately throughout all aspects of our society it appears special interest is stronger than ever.

                        Well everybody has a special interest. I believe it's easier to sway the masses toward the idea that their lives are miserable because of the rich white Christian minority. just numbers. and people who are unhappy want to find reasons that don't include their own irresponsibility.

                        As far as the nearly meaningless conservative vs liberal thing it's just easier than breaking down everything issue by issue. and easy is the target for the 2 minutes a week most people spend on politics.

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                          I think we can all agree that sauron and his evil mesmerizing eyes are responsible for all the world's ills.

                          Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                            @baconhound said:

                            Not at all. I don't think labeling a single group as the culprit is ever the solution. There are always people with agendas both individual and utilitarian, unfortunately throughout all aspects of our society it appears special interest is stronger than ever.

                            Well everybody has a special interest. I believe it's easier to sway the masses toward the idea that their lives are miserable because of the rich white Christian minority. just numbers. and people who are unhappy want to find reasons that don't include their own irresponsibility.

                            As far as the nearly meaningless conservative vs liberal thing it's just easier than breaking down everything issue by issue. and easy is the target for the 2 minutes a week most people spend on politics.

                            WSS

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                            @westside-steve said:

                            Well everybody has a special interest. I believe it's easier to sway the masses toward the idea that their lives are miserable because of the rich white Christian minority. just numbers. and people who are unhappy want to find reasons that don't include their own irresponsibility.

                            As far as the nearly meaningless conservative vs liberal thing it's just easier than breaking down everything issue by issue. and easy is the target for the 2 minutes a week most people spend on politics.

                            WSS

                            I agree and don't want to come of as pious, I'm as flawed as the next guy. The problem that I have is my special interest and your special interest may have some altruism attached to it or may be for personal gain that results in the greater good. Unfortunately IMO the special interests that seem to help forge legislation seem to adhere to the 80s slogan, "he who dies with the most toys wins", under the guise of capitalism and benevolence.

                            I don't necessarily agree with all that common core stands for but what I am aware of is the fact that the United States is falling behind many other nations in the education of future generations. I also think that it is a complex issue that isn't solved by curriculum adjustment completely but a discussion needs to be had and the status quo has continued to lead us down a bad path. In a decade common core may be a punchline at a party or it may have been the spark that leads us to a better educational system, I really don't know how it will go. But teaching the same thing the same way is not working.

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                              Sure that's true. And personally I have no bitch with standardized academic programs. every little local fiefdom wants to keep whatever power they have and I understand that too.

                              Something we don't like to admit but should is a graph I saw over a year ago on the McLaughlin Group. it's not that the United States is truly that far behind the other countries in math science etc if you remove two demographics, African Americans and Hispanics.

                              Without those two monumentally under performing groups the United States ranks equal or above anyone.

                              (and I understand what kind of flack that statement will draw)

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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                I'd like the see our academic performance with the poorest group of students removed. I have a feeling the same result would be had and it would be much more indicative of the issue

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                                • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                                  I'd like the see our academic performance with the poorest group of students removed. I have a feeling the same result would be had and it would be much more indicative of the issue

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                                  @mld-woody said:

                                  I'd like the see our academic performance with the poorest group of students removed. I have a feeling the same result would be had and it would be much more indicative of the issue

                                  Really? You think that you could remove the poorest and most underperforming groups and the bell curve wouldn't change??? I can't imagine that's what you meant.

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                                    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                    Nooooo

                                    I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

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                                    • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                                      Nooooo

                                      I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      Nooooo

                                      I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

                                      Ah

                                      My mistake.

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                                      • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                                        Nooooo

                                        I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        Nooooo

                                        I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

                                        Poverty is a huge issue in this country and a very large contributor in the educational problems as well.

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          Nooooo

                                          I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

                                          Poverty is a huge issue in this country and a very large contributor in the educational problems as well.

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                                          @baconhound said:

                                          Poverty is a huge issue in this country and a very large contributor in the educational problems as well.

                                          The chicken or the egg?

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