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The real reason behind "common core"

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  • BaconHound B One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

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      Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

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      W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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      @baconhound said:

      Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

      White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

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        @baconhound said:

        Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

        White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

        WSS

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        Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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        @westside-steve said:

        White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

        WSS

        You forgot Christians.
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          @baconhound said:

          Easiest way to control a large group of people, tell them who's to blame for their problems while vilifying education.

          White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

          WSS

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          B BaconHound wrote on last edited by
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          @westside-steve said:

          White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

          WSS

          Not at all. I don't think labeling a single group as the culprit is ever the solution. There are always people with agendas both individual and utilitarian, unfortunately throughout all aspects of our society it appears special interest is stronger than ever.

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            @westside-steve said:

            White people rich people Sauron and republicans are to blame right?

            WSS

            Not at all. I don't think labeling a single group as the culprit is ever the solution. There are always people with agendas both individual and utilitarian, unfortunately throughout all aspects of our society it appears special interest is stronger than ever.

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            @baconhound said:

            Not at all. I don't think labeling a single group as the culprit is ever the solution. There are always people with agendas both individual and utilitarian, unfortunately throughout all aspects of our society it appears special interest is stronger than ever.

            Well everybody has a special interest. I believe it's easier to sway the masses toward the idea that their lives are miserable because of the rich white Christian minority. just numbers. and people who are unhappy want to find reasons that don't include their own irresponsibility.

            As far as the nearly meaningless conservative vs liberal thing it's just easier than breaking down everything issue by issue. and easy is the target for the 2 minutes a week most people spend on politics.

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              T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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              I think we can all agree that sauron and his evil mesmerizing eyes are responsible for all the world's ills.

              Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                @baconhound said:

                Not at all. I don't think labeling a single group as the culprit is ever the solution. There are always people with agendas both individual and utilitarian, unfortunately throughout all aspects of our society it appears special interest is stronger than ever.

                Well everybody has a special interest. I believe it's easier to sway the masses toward the idea that their lives are miserable because of the rich white Christian minority. just numbers. and people who are unhappy want to find reasons that don't include their own irresponsibility.

                As far as the nearly meaningless conservative vs liberal thing it's just easier than breaking down everything issue by issue. and easy is the target for the 2 minutes a week most people spend on politics.

                WSS

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                @westside-steve said:

                Well everybody has a special interest. I believe it's easier to sway the masses toward the idea that their lives are miserable because of the rich white Christian minority. just numbers. and people who are unhappy want to find reasons that don't include their own irresponsibility.

                As far as the nearly meaningless conservative vs liberal thing it's just easier than breaking down everything issue by issue. and easy is the target for the 2 minutes a week most people spend on politics.

                WSS

                I agree and don't want to come of as pious, I'm as flawed as the next guy. The problem that I have is my special interest and your special interest may have some altruism attached to it or may be for personal gain that results in the greater good. Unfortunately IMO the special interests that seem to help forge legislation seem to adhere to the 80s slogan, "he who dies with the most toys wins", under the guise of capitalism and benevolence.

                I don't necessarily agree with all that common core stands for but what I am aware of is the fact that the United States is falling behind many other nations in the education of future generations. I also think that it is a complex issue that isn't solved by curriculum adjustment completely but a discussion needs to be had and the status quo has continued to lead us down a bad path. In a decade common core may be a punchline at a party or it may have been the spark that leads us to a better educational system, I really don't know how it will go. But teaching the same thing the same way is not working.

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                  Sure that's true. And personally I have no bitch with standardized academic programs. every little local fiefdom wants to keep whatever power they have and I understand that too.

                  Something we don't like to admit but should is a graph I saw over a year ago on the McLaughlin Group. it's not that the United States is truly that far behind the other countries in math science etc if you remove two demographics, African Americans and Hispanics.

                  Without those two monumentally under performing groups the United States ranks equal or above anyone.

                  (and I understand what kind of flack that statement will draw)

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                    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                    I'd like the see our academic performance with the poorest group of students removed. I have a feeling the same result would be had and it would be much more indicative of the issue

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                    • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                      I'd like the see our academic performance with the poorest group of students removed. I have a feeling the same result would be had and it would be much more indicative of the issue

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      I'd like the see our academic performance with the poorest group of students removed. I have a feeling the same result would be had and it would be much more indicative of the issue

                      Really? You think that you could remove the poorest and most underperforming groups and the bell curve wouldn't change??? I can't imagine that's what you meant.

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                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                        Nooooo

                        I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

                        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                        • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                          Nooooo

                          I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

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                          @mld-woody said:

                          Nooooo

                          I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

                          Ah

                          My mistake.

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                          • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                            Nooooo

                            I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

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                            @mld-woody said:

                            Nooooo

                            I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

                            Poverty is a huge issue in this country and a very large contributor in the educational problems as well.

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              Nooooo

                              I meant the same effect as what happened in your example. Except you example basically says "minorities are dumber than whites" where what I said is saying poorer students aren't getting a good education.

                              Poverty is a huge issue in this country and a very large contributor in the educational problems as well.

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                              @baconhound said:

                              Poverty is a huge issue in this country and a very large contributor in the educational problems as well.

                              The chicken or the egg?

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                                @baconhound said:

                                Poverty is a huge issue in this country and a very large contributor in the educational problems as well.

                                The chicken or the egg?

                                WSS

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                                @westside-steve said:

                                The chicken or the egg?

                                WSS

                                True enough. I do get discouraged with the Country's dialog on poverty be it either on Capitol Hill or Main Street.

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                                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                  Beast and Cyclops will solve the problems.

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                                    Beast and Cyclops will solve the problems.

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                                    @logicisforsquares said:

                                    Beast and Cyclops will solve the problems.

                                    Indeed

                                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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