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Apparently we're not the only ones whipping up these scenarios. Here's an interesting one...
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/02/21/nfl-draft-browns-jets-eagles-draft-day-trade-scenario/
In a nutshell it's:
- MM falls to Jets at #6.
- We trade our 12 and 19 to Jets for MM.
- We trade MM to Chip for their #20, Foles, and other 2015 and future picks... or, worst case, end up with MM.
That would definitely be an insane situation thus I don't ever see it happening.
That would definitely be an insane situation thus I don't ever see it happening.
LOL... it is a little reminiscent of a Sonny move in Draft Day...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Apparently we're not the only ones whipping up these scenarios. Here's an interesting one...
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/02/21/nfl-draft-browns-jets-eagles-draft-day-trade-scenario/
In a nutshell it's:
- MM falls to Jets at #6.
- We trade our 12 and 19 to Jets for MM.
- We trade MM to Chip for their #20, Foles, and other 2015 and future picks... or, worst case, end up with MM.
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Apparently we're not the only ones whipping up these scenarios. Here's an interesting one...
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/02/21/nfl-draft-browns-jets-eagles-draft-day-trade-scenario/
In a nutshell it's:
- MM falls to Jets at #6.
- We trade our 12 and 19 to Jets for MM.
- We trade MM to Chip for their #20, Foles, and other 2015 and future picks... or, worst case, end up with MM.
Sounds like we'd be moving up on behalf of the Iggles because they don't have the ammo. In which case, I also want their 2nd rounder this year.
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That would definitely be an insane situation thus I don't ever see it happening.
LOL... it is a little reminiscent of a Sonny move in Draft Day...
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Re-sign:
Tashaun Gipson - 4 years, $19 million, $4 million guaranteed
Sign:
Orlando Franklin - OT/OG - 5 years, $34 million, $20 million guaranteed
Jerry Hughes - DE/OLB - 4 years, $32 million, $13 million guaranteed
Brian Hartline - WR - 5 years, $31 million, $12 million guaranteed
Terrance Knighton - DT - 4 years, $15 million, $8 million guaranteed
Trade #12, #19, 2016 2nd round, 2016 4th round for Tennessee's #2 and 2015 5th rounder.
Draft Marcus Mariota at #2.
Draft Bernardick McKinney in the second.
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This post may rank in the top five for "Most Flameworthy Post of All-Time", especially given how hard I've been on Mariota recently. This post isn't a personal endorsement of the player, just a way for me to kill time during lunch.
Speculation: Marcus Mariota is going to be a Cleveland Brown.
We'll start with Mary Kay Cabot's article a few days ago. In it Mary Kay talks about how Farmer was enamored with Mariota last season and that they continued to scout him this season. Not much more than common sense, but something.
Second, the quote from Pettine today that states the Browns are looking at the draft and free agency with the mindset they have to find a starting quarterback.
The third, and most convincing reason, is Kevin O'Connell. Obviously, O'Connell worked with Mariota throughout the pre-draft process. That's been discussed. Then, there's this:
"What I don't think the fans and media understand is that all these guys like Mariota, (Johnny) Manziel and (Bryce) Petty are all pure projection players. We can see certain characteristics on tape, but they don't play the same game that we play in the NFL so we can't see things we need to on tape. We have to make calculated guesses. I know this, I wouldn't bet against Mariota. He's a good football player." -- AFC QB coach
The aforementioned quote is on Marcus Mariota's NFL.com scouting profile. It's also clearly a quote from Kevin O'Connell... the only AFC North QB coach who has ties to all three of the quarterbacks mentioned in that quote (Mariota, Manziel and Petty). On it's own, nothing special. Combined with everything else, it is interesting.The fourth reason is the hire of John DeFillippo as OC. Flip is credited with developing Derek Carr in Oakland. Carr, a 6'3", 210 lb. freakishly athletic quarterback himself, also had many concerns about his transition due to the offensive system that he ran in college. Flip was able to turn Carr into a viable NFL QB in his rookie year, maybe he was brought to Cleveland not only because of his ties with Pettine and the area, but also because of what he'll need to do with Mariota?Speculation: Manziel to the Eagles?There's been a lot of talk about what the Browns could do with Johnny Manziel, especially if they are indeed looking to draft a QB this year. Obviously, we could keep him and have the quarterbacks battle it out this offseason. But, there could also be a trade with Philadelphia in the works. Chip Kelly has already stated that Manziel is more or less "the one that got away".โWhen I coached at Oregon, he was tailor made for [the system],โ Kelly said to CSNPhilly. โHe broke my heart. I love the kid. I think he's a hell of a football player,โ Kelly added.
Obviously, there are tons of reports about how Philadelphia will risk nothing to move up in the draft and take Mariota. However, a simple compromise could be getting the guy he originally wanted to run his offense in Oregon, along with someone else, without having to give up everything to do it.
Speculation: Crazy three-way trade scenario.
Because of the above scenarios, I've decided to just lump them all together and form a three-way trade. So, here goes:
Cleveland trades Johnny Manziel and Josh Gordon to Philadelphia and, in return, receives #52.
Philadelphia trades Nick Foles to Tampa Bay.
Tampa Bay trades Cleveland the #1 overall and, in return, receives Cleveland's #12 and #19.
Cleveland Gives: Manziel, Gordon, #12, #19
Cleveland Receives: Mariota, #52
Tampa Bay Gives: #1
Tampa Bay Receives: Nick Foles, #12, #19
Philadelphia Gives: Nick Foles, #52
Philadelphia Receives: Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon
In this scenario, all three teams get what they are looking for. Tampa gets the tall, strong armed quarterback that Lovie Smith likes. And, as an added benefit, he has also proven to be successful in the NFL. In addition they are getting two first round picks to address other needs. On paper, Tampa Bay may come out the best in this deal.
Philadelphia gets the athletic, playmaking quarterback that Kelly salivates over and, as an added bonus, they're getting a freakishly talented WR who could go on to be a future HOFer, and they are only getting him at the cost of a second round pick.
Cleveland gets the quarterback they wanted in Mariota without having to completely break the bank to get him, plus they receive a second round pick as well, giving them picks #43, #52, #77, #108, #112 in the first four rounds.
(For the sake of expedition, I only factored in draft picks for this year. It would be more likely that there would be future draft picks involved as well.)
TL;DR: Mariota to Browns. Manziel to Eagles. Gordon to Eagles. Foles to Tampa.
This thread is meant to house any and every sort of fantastical draft trade scenario over the upcoming few weeks, rather than have them interspersed in random threads about other things. Have at it, tear mine apart and create your own.
This post may rank in the top five for "Most Flameworthy Post of All-Time", especially given how hard I've been on Mariota recently. This post isn't a personal endorsement of the player, just a way for me to kill time during lunch.
Speculation: Marcus Mariota is going to be a Cleveland Brown.
We'll start with Mary Kay Cabot's article a few days ago. In it Mary Kay talks about how Farmer was enamored with Mariota last season and that they continued to scout him this season. Not much more than common sense, but something.
Second, the quote from Pettine today that states the Browns are looking at the draft and free agency with the mindset they have to find a starting quarterback.
The third, and most convincing reason, is Kevin O'Connell. Obviously, O'Connell worked with Mariota throughout the pre-draft process. That's been discussed. Then, there's this:
The aforementioned quote is on Marcus Mariota's NFL.com scouting profile. It's also clearly a quote from Kevin O'Connell... the only AFC North QB coach who has ties to all three of the quarterbacks mentioned in that quote (Mariota, Manziel and Petty). On it's own, nothing special. Combined with everything else, it is interesting.The fourth reason is the hire of John DeFillippo as OC. Flip is credited with developing Derek Carr in Oakland. Carr, a 6'3", 210 lb. freakishly athletic quarterback himself, also had many concerns about his transition due to the offensive system that he ran in college. Flip was able to turn Carr into a viable NFL QB in his rookie year, maybe he was brought to Cleveland not only because of his ties with Pettine and the area, but also because of what he'll need to do with Mariota?Speculation: Manziel to the Eagles?There's been a lot of talk about what the Browns could do with Johnny Manziel, especially if they are indeed looking to draft a QB this year. Obviously, we could keep him and have the quarterbacks battle it out this offseason. But, there could also be a trade with Philadelphia in the works. Chip Kelly has already stated that Manziel is more or less "the one that got away".Obviously, there are tons of reports about how Philadelphia will risk nothing to move up in the draft and take Mariota. However, a simple compromise could be getting the guy he originally wanted to run his offense in Oregon, along with someone else, without having to give up everything to do it.
Speculation: Crazy three-way trade scenario.
Because of the above scenarios, I've decided to just lump them all together and form a three-way trade. So, here goes:
Cleveland trades Johnny Manziel and Josh Gordon to Philadelphia and, in return, receives #52.
Philadelphia trades Nick Foles to Tampa Bay.
Tampa Bay trades Cleveland the #1 overall and, in return, receives Cleveland's #12 and #19.
Cleveland Gives: Manziel, Gordon, #12, #19
Cleveland Receives: Mariota, #52
Tampa Bay Gives: #1
Tampa Bay Receives: Nick Foles, #12, #19
Philadelphia Gives: Nick Foles, #52
Philadelphia Receives: Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon
In this scenario, all three teams get what they are looking for. Tampa gets the tall, strong armed quarterback that Lovie Smith likes. And, as an added benefit, he has also proven to be successful in the NFL. In addition they are getting two first round picks to address other needs. On paper, Tampa Bay may come out the best in this deal.
Philadelphia gets the athletic, playmaking quarterback that Kelly salivates over and, as an added bonus, they're getting a freakishly talented WR who could go on to be a future HOFer, and they are only getting him at the cost of a second round pick.
Cleveland gets the quarterback they wanted in Mariota without having to completely break the bank to get him, plus they receive a second round pick as well, giving them picks #43, #52, #77, #108, #112 in the first four rounds.
(For the sake of expedition, I only factored in draft picks for this year. It would be more likely that there would be future draft picks involved as well.)
TL;DR: Mariota to Browns. Manziel to Eagles. Gordon to Eagles. Foles to Tampa.
This thread is meant to house any and every sort of fantastical draft trade scenario over the upcoming few weeks, rather than have them interspersed in random threads about other things. Have at it, tear mine apart and create your own.
Great post Timmy. This could actually take place. You would be a genius on this board (next to gipper) if this happened.
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This post may rank in the top five for "Most Flameworthy Post of All-Time", especially given how hard I've been on Mariota recently. This post isn't a personal endorsement of the player, just a way for me to kill time during lunch.
Speculation: Marcus Mariota is going to be a Cleveland Brown.
We'll start with Mary Kay Cabot's article a few days ago. In it Mary Kay talks about how Farmer was enamored with Mariota last season and that they continued to scout him this season. Not much more than common sense, but something.
Second, the quote from Pettine today that states the Browns are looking at the draft and free agency with the mindset they have to find a starting quarterback.
The third, and most convincing reason, is Kevin O'Connell. Obviously, O'Connell worked with Mariota throughout the pre-draft process. That's been discussed. Then, there's this:
The aforementioned quote is on Marcus Mariota's NFL.com scouting profile. It's also clearly a quote from Kevin O'Connell... the only AFC North QB coach who has ties to all three of the quarterbacks mentioned in that quote (Mariota, Manziel and Petty). On it's own, nothing special. Combined with everything else, it is interesting.The fourth reason is the hire of John DeFillippo as OC. Flip is credited with developing Derek Carr in Oakland. Carr, a 6'3", 210 lb. freakishly athletic quarterback himself, also had many concerns about his transition due to the offensive system that he ran in college. Flip was able to turn Carr into a viable NFL QB in his rookie year, maybe he was brought to Cleveland not only because of his ties with Pettine and the area, but also because of what he'll need to do with Mariota?Speculation: Manziel to the Eagles?There's been a lot of talk about what the Browns could do with Johnny Manziel, especially if they are indeed looking to draft a QB this year. Obviously, we could keep him and have the quarterbacks battle it out this offseason. But, there could also be a trade with Philadelphia in the works. Chip Kelly has already stated that Manziel is more or less "the one that got away".Obviously, there are tons of reports about how Philadelphia will risk nothing to move up in the draft and take Mariota. However, a simple compromise could be getting the guy he originally wanted to run his offense in Oregon, along with someone else, without having to give up everything to do it.
Speculation: Crazy three-way trade scenario.
Because of the above scenarios, I've decided to just lump them all together and form a three-way trade. So, here goes:
Cleveland trades Johnny Manziel and Josh Gordon to Philadelphia and, in return, receives #52.
Philadelphia trades Nick Foles to Tampa Bay.
Tampa Bay trades Cleveland the #1 overall and, in return, receives Cleveland's #12 and #19.
Cleveland Gives: Manziel, Gordon, #12, #19
Cleveland Receives: Mariota, #52
Tampa Bay Gives: #1
Tampa Bay Receives: Nick Foles, #12, #19
Philadelphia Gives: Nick Foles, #52
Philadelphia Receives: Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon
In this scenario, all three teams get what they are looking for. Tampa gets the tall, strong armed quarterback that Lovie Smith likes. And, as an added benefit, he has also proven to be successful in the NFL. In addition they are getting two first round picks to address other needs. On paper, Tampa Bay may come out the best in this deal.
Philadelphia gets the athletic, playmaking quarterback that Kelly salivates over and, as an added bonus, they're getting a freakishly talented WR who could go on to be a future HOFer, and they are only getting him at the cost of a second round pick.
Cleveland gets the quarterback they wanted in Mariota without having to completely break the bank to get him, plus they receive a second round pick as well, giving them picks #43, #52, #77, #108, #112 in the first four rounds.
(For the sake of expedition, I only factored in draft picks for this year. It would be more likely that there would be future draft picks involved as well.)
TL;DR: Mariota to Browns. Manziel to Eagles. Gordon to Eagles. Foles to Tampa.
This thread is meant to house any and every sort of fantastical draft trade scenario over the upcoming few weeks, rather than have them interspersed in random threads about other things. Have at it, tear mine apart and create your own.
Great post Timmy. This could actually take place. You would be a genius on this board (next to gipper) if this happened.
Great post Timmy. This could actually take place. You would be a genius on this board (next to gipper) if this happened.
and you'll still be the ball sucking gimp you've always been faggot.
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Philadelphia Gives: Nick Foles, #52
Philadelphia Receives: Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon
And takes them to Vegas to celebrate destroying all rehab and chances at a playoff shot all in one day.
I love the alternative universe ideas. Reminds me of the yellow brick road. Or in the case the goldbrick road.
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What does Philadelphia want with Josh Gordon? Maybe we could throw in Mike Phillips. he will play as much.
And if Johnny is truly as bad as the haters say what value does he have to anyone in a trade?
WSS
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Re-sign:
Tashaun Gipson - 4 years, $19 million, $4 million guaranteed
Sign:
Orlando Franklin - OT/OG - 5 years, $34 million, $20 million guaranteed
Jerry Hughes - DE/OLB - 4 years, $32 million, $13 million guaranteed
Brian Hartline - WR - 5 years, $31 million, $12 million guaranteed
Terrance Knighton - DT - 4 years, $15 million, $8 million guaranteed
Trade #12, #19, 2016 2nd round, 2016 4th round for Tennessee's #2 and 2015 5th rounder.
Draft Marcus Mariota at #2.
Draft Bernardick McKinney in the second.
Re-sign:
Tashaun Gipson - 4 years, $19 million, $4 million guaranteed
Sign:
Orlando Franklin - OT/OG - 5 years, $34 million, $20 million guaranteed
Jerry Hughes - DE/OLB - 4 years, $32 million, $13 million guaranteed
Brian Hartline - WR - 5 years, $31 million, $12 million guaranteed
Terrance Knighton - DT - 4 years, $15 million, $8 million guaranteed
Trade #12, #19, 2016 2nd round, 2016 4th round for Tennessee's #2 and 2015 5th rounder.
Draft Marcus Mariota at #2.
Draft Bernardick McKinney in the second.
Getting warmer??? Certainly not as far fetched...
Don't know Franklin's worth. I see he had some late health questions, but has been dependable.
Love Hughes... I think Hughes & Hughes has a nice ring to it.
Don't see Hartline's value.
Pot Roast? Don't know how big of an impact he brings beyond a nickname upgrade. Complementary guy in a rotation, but not an answer in and of himself.
Given that our search continues I don't mind the price for Mariota, but from what I've seen of future pick valuations the 2016 4th for 2015 5th is a stand-alone wash. Is there a reason to value that 5th this year?
I was hopeful for McKinney, but the more I watched him (and I've watched a decent bit) the less enthused I got. Quickly got to the point where I did not see him as a first round prospect. Now DraftScout has him as the 4th ranked ILB on their board and a 3rd rounder. Even trimmed down for workouts, I do not see him bringing the versatility Pet likes in an LB.
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Great post Timmy. This could actually take place. You would be a genius on this board (next to gipper) if this happened.
and you'll still be the ball sucking gimp you've always been faggot.
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We trade all our shit away and get AP, Ray Rice and MJD.
Any attention is good attention. Maybe everyone will forget we took Johnny Rehab.
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We trade all our shit away and get AP, Ray Rice and MJD.
Any attention is good attention. Maybe everyone will forget we took Johnny Rehab.
We trade all our shit away and get AP, Ray Rice and MJD.
Any attention is good attention. Maybe everyone will forget we took Johnny Rehab.
Even though MJD retired?
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Even though MJD retired?
Yep, Browns kinda style!
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Even though MJD retired?
Yep, Browns kinda style!
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We trade all our shit away and get AP, Ray Rice and MJD.
Any attention is good attention. Maybe everyone will forget we took Johnny Rehab.
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This won't happen. I live in Tampa and they're set on Winston or less likely, Mariota. Why would the Eagles want Josh Gordon and why would Tampa be so stupid to let Winston slip out of their grasp. Nobody in their right mind would make this trade.
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This won't happen. I live in Tampa and they're set on Winston or less likely, Mariota. Why would the Eagles want Josh Gordon and why would Tampa be so stupid to let Winston slip out of their grasp. Nobody in their right mind would make this trade.
This won't happen. I live in Tampa and they're set on Winston or less likely, Mariota. Why would the Eagles want Josh Gordon and why would Tampa be so stupid to let Winston slip out of their grasp. Nobody in their right mind would make this trade.
Thanks for the inside information, Schefter.
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