Building through the draft
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Ahh building through the draft! We have been so good at doing that right? No.
2001- Passed on LaDainian Tomlinson for Gerard Warren
2002- Passed on Ed Reed for William Green
2004- Passed on Ben Rapistburger for Kellen WinSLOW
2005- Passed on Aaron Rodgers, DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman for Braylon "Mr.Drops" Edwards
2007- Passed Adrian Peterson for Joe Thomas ( If we take Peterson first, then a very good Joe Staley is availible instead of Quinn )
These ones were the worst that I found, I know the last one won't be popular but Joe Staley is still a 4x Pro bowler so he is still a better then average OT.
Ahh building through the draft! We have been so good at doing that right? No.
2001- Passed on LaDainian Tomlinson for Gerard Warren
2002- Passed on Ed Reed for William Green
2004- Passed on Ben Rapistburger for Kellen WinSLOW
2005- Passed on Aaron Rodgers, DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman for Braylon "Mr.Drops" Edwards
2007- Passed Adrian Peterson for Joe Thomas ( If we take Peterson first, then a very good Joe Staley is availible instead of Quinn )
These ones were the worst that I found, I know the last one won't be popular but Joe Staley is still a 4x Pro bowler so he is still a better then average OT.
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1st off, the 2007 pick was perfect.
2nd, those were past regimes and should serve no bearing on evaluating this regime. If you look around the NFL, you'll see that great teams are built through the draft. Just because past regimes failed at it doesn't mean we should abandon that philosophy.
#Justsayin' -
building through the draft is fine... its when you are constantly rebuilding through the draft is where you find problems. You can't lose vet starters and always be trying to replace them with rookies
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building through the draft is fine... its when you are constantly rebuilding through the draft is where you find problems. You can't lose vet starters and always be trying to replace them with rookies
building through the draft is fine... its when you are constantly rebuilding through the draft is where you find problems. You can't lose vet starters and always be trying to replace them with rookies
We're not rebuilding. We did lose "vet starters" but not very good ones. Sheard was below avg, Skrine is in the way of letting Desir/Gilbert get the PT they need, Cameron couldn't stay healthy so he doesnt deserve the contract he's probably seeking, and Rubin was worse than Kitchen last year so we didn't lose anything there...
I don't get what people are getting so worked up for. What did we really lose?
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To start off with we lost our viable stretch the field type of player with Gordon. Sheard may be below avg but was still the best strong line backer on the squad and how about Desir/Gilbert getting playing time when they earned it by beating out a solid vet. As far as Cameron and Rubin go, I agree that we didn't necessarily lose anything there, but we sure as hell didn't gain anything... just have players who weren't good enough to beat out these "not very good" starters going to take their place. At some point it would be nice to actually have rookies who have to earn a spot on the roster instead of it being handed to them every year.
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And, how many FA signings since '99 have really helped us build a team?
We all root for a team that has been dismal for so long I thought more people would be patient with Farmer after taking us from 4-12 to 7-9 in just one offseason... I know Browns' optimism is hard to conjure up but wouldn't Farmer and Pettine be the first group to really have any for?
I guess Im the crazy one...
#Justsayin' -
Really, its not like the Browns have ever even used fa to nab anything but over the hill type players looking for their last big contract. I don't need big and flashy FA's... I just want holes filled so that we aren't so damn desperate come draft day.
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And, how many FA signings since '99 have really helped us build a team?
We all root for a team that has been dismal for so long I thought more people would be patient with Farmer after taking us from 4-12 to 7-9 in just one offseason... I know Browns' optimism is hard to conjure up but wouldn't Farmer and Pettine be the first group to really have any for?
I guess Im the crazy one...
And, how many FA signings since '99 have really helped us build a team?
We all root for a team that has been dismal for so long I thought more people would be patient with Farmer after taking us from 4-12 to 7-9 in just one offseason... I know Browns' optimism is hard to conjure up but wouldn't Farmer and Pettine be the first group to really have any for?
I guess Im the crazy one...
Make that US the "crazy 2" because I agree with you 100%.
Mike
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Really, its not like the Browns have ever even used fa to nab anything but over the hill type players looking for their last big contract. I don't need big and flashy FA's... I just want holes filled so that we aren't so damn desperate come draft day.
Really, its not like the Browns have ever even used fa to nab anything but over the hill type players looking for their last big contract. I don't need big and flashy FA's... I just want holes filled so that we aren't so damn desperate come draft day.
Desperate for what?
I see us needing 2 starters from this draft: a WR and NT. We have 2 1st round picks to accomplish that. The other 8 picks can all be used to add depth at other positions...
Doesn't really sound desperate to me... but maybe I just have too much faith in our roster that just went 7-9 despite multiple injuries and terrible QB play down the stretch...
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i'm OPIMISTIC (smile!) that farmer is going to pull off another strong draft and we will finally not find ourselves at the bottom of the afcn at the end of the season.
can't wait for the draft!
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Until proven otherwise, I'd say we need... Starting QB, WR, RT, OLB, CB and a kicker... I think we need depth (future starters) at OL, DL, ILB, S
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maybe some of our younger players are able to step up and be that kind of starter... I wish I could say that I thought Gilbert and JM were able to fill the voids ahead of them, but what I have seen to this point speaks otherwise... right now Shaw might be the best QB on the roster?
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i'm OPIMISTIC (smile!) that farmer is going to pull off another strong draft and we will finally not find ourselves at the bottom of the afcn at the end of the season.
can't wait for the draft!
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1st off, the 2007 pick was perfect.
2nd, those were past regimes and should serve no bearing on evaluating this regime. If you look around the NFL, you'll see that great teams are built through the draft. Just because past regimes failed at it doesn't mean we should abandon that philosophy.
1st off, the 2007 pick was perfect.
2nd, those were past regimes and should serve no bearing on evaluating this regime. If you look around the NFL, you'll see that great teams are built through the draft. Just because past regimes failed at it doesn't mean we should abandon that philosophy.
Joe Thomas may be a HOF, first ballet no doubt, but he dosen't win us games. You know who would win us games? A star running back.
Also let me make this simpler, would you rather have.
Adrian Peterson and Joe Staley
Or
Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn
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1st off, the 2007 pick was perfect.
2nd, those were past regimes and should serve no bearing on evaluating this regime. If you look around the NFL, you'll see that great teams are built through the draft. Just because past regimes failed at it doesn't mean we should abandon that philosophy.
Joe Thomas may be a HOF, first ballet no doubt, but he dosen't win us games. You know who would win us games? A star running back.
Also let me make this simpler, would you rather have.
Adrian Peterson and Joe Staley
Or
Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn
It's your belief that Savage would have gone with Staley and not stuck with the apple of his eye with Quinn?Joe Thomas may be a HOF, first ballet no doubt, but he dosen't win us games. You know who would win us games? A star running back.
Also let me make this simpler, would you rather have.
Adrian Peterson and Joe Staley
Or
Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn
That's good for a laugh.
Also, aside from arguably the greatest season for a running back ever, how many games has AP won the Vikes?
They were dominant with one year under Farve because of Farve. Then Made the playoffs by being lucky enough to face Green Bays backups the last game of the regular season. They've had QB play as bad and in some cases worse than us plus up and down Oline play.
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Until proven otherwise, I'd say we need... Starting QB, WR, RT, OLB, CB and a kicker... I think we need depth (future starters) at OL, DL, ILB, S
Until proven otherwise, I'd say we need... Starting QB, WR, RT, OLB, CB and a kicker... I think we need depth (future starters) at OL, DL, ILB, S
it begins and ends with replacing/acquiring the middle of the DL because of the reoccurring absence of phil taylor due to injury. then yes WR and then yes depth at OL (can't have another F'd up season because of our center going down).
QB this draft? sure if mariota falls to us at 12. if not maybe a hundley or a petty? that'd be cool with me but also think about jordan being gone at TE, our LB corp and kicking game. we could go up and down the positions and there could be arguments made that depth or upgrades could be made at easily 1/3 of the roster so there are plenty of holes to fill, which means draft picks.
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can we list the name of whining flippin' hookers on this board before, during and after the FA, draft?season/repeat/rinse?
OMG, we won't spend half our cap-space on oneplayer! OMG"
Mik- I reserve the right to bitch when I see something worthy to bitch about- and I see plenty of things bitch worthy right now.
Building through the draft is a fine concept......but when you draft those players who then leave right when they are hitting their prime it sort of undermines the whole concept, no?
I mean, we are losing the likes of Cameron, Sheard, Skrine, maybe some others. Guys we drafted what? No more than 5 years ago?
So....build through the draft and just when these players are starting to get good let them go elsewhere?
It is possible that it is not a function of this team wanting to build through the draft....but a function of wanting to build through THEIR drafts.....and the drafts that were conducted before they got here be damned. I guess that happens a lot. A lot of these pro personell guys and coaches are loyal to the people they have chosen, and are not loyal to people already on their team.
And so far the building through the draft....under Ray Farmer has garnered us Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel in the first round....those have sucked so far, and it has gotten us some decent later rounders: Bitonio/West/Desir...maybe/Kirksey.
OK, you have 10 picks.....I expect 3-4 Pro Bowlers to come from these 10 picks.
Nailed it.
well the loss of an all-pro center and half the DL through those games might lead you to think that way but just because we're not jumping at every FA doesn't mean this team sucks.
i think we should all give these guys a chance to do their jobs.
if farmer produces like he did last year in the draft i'll be happy, if he throws up bricks and because of it the team goes 4 and 12 i'll be right here complaining along side of you. (highly doubt it tho).
Josh McCown sucks, is not an upgrade over Hoyer, Foles, or a healthy Sam Bradford.
Ahh building through the draft! We have been so good at doing that right? No.
2001- Passed on LaDainian Tomlinson for Gerard Warren
2002- Passed on Ed Reed for William Green
2004- Passed on Ben Rapistburger for Kellen WinSLOW
2005- Passed on Aaron Rodgers, DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman for Braylon "Mr.Drops" Edwards
2007- Passed Adrian Peterson for Joe Thomas ( If we take Peterson first, then a very good Joe Staley is availible instead of Quinn )
These ones were the worst that I found, I know the last one won't be popular but Joe Staley is still a 4x Pro bowler so he is still a better then average OT.
I've been saying the same for years.
Until proven otherwise, I'd say we need... Starting QB, WR, RT, OLB, CB and a kicker... I think we need depth (future starters) at OL, DL, ILB, S
Preach it. The plan is "Fail for Cardale".
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Until proven otherwise, I'd say we need... Starting QB, WR, RT, OLB, CB and a kicker... I think we need depth (future starters) at OL, DL, ILB, S
it begins and ends with replacing/acquiring the middle of the DL because of the reoccurring absence of phil taylor due to injury. then yes WR and then yes depth at OL (can't have another F'd up season because of our center going down).
QB this draft? sure if mariota falls to us at 12. if not maybe a hundley or a petty? that'd be cool with me but also think about jordan being gone at TE, our LB corp and kicking game. we could go up and down the positions and there could be arguments made that depth or upgrades could be made at easily 1/3 of the roster so there are plenty of holes to fill, which means draft picks.
it begins and ends with replacing/acquiring the middle of the DL because of the reoccurring absence of phil taylor due to injury. then yes WR and then yes depth at OL (can't have another F'd up season because of our center going down).
QB this draft? sure if mariota falls to us at 12. if not maybe a hundley or a petty? that'd be cool with me but also think about jordan being gone at TE, our LB corp and kicking game. we could go up and down the positions and there could be arguments made that depth or upgrades could be made at easily 1/3 of the roster so there are plenty of holes to fill, which means draft picks.
I think Taylor and Kitchen could hold down the NT position for a year and see how that plays out? idk the DL is an area of concern but we should be able to find some help relatively cheap... I just think at where this defense is at right now, I would focus on LB because we need that corp to be better. We have a lot of trouble setting the edge and rushing the passer, even when we blitz and that is not going to fly in a 3-4.
There are 2 later round QB's that I find quite interesting... both 6'4 and from pretty small schools... Sean Mannion(Oregon St) and Connor Holliday(Washington St)
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can we list the name of whining flippin' hookers on this board before, during and after the FA, draft?season/repeat/rinse?
OMG, we won't spend half our cap-space on oneplayer! OMG"
Mik- I reserve the right to bitch when I see something worthy to bitch about- and I see plenty of things bitch worthy right now.
Building through the draft is a fine concept......but when you draft those players who then leave right when they are hitting their prime it sort of undermines the whole concept, no?
I mean, we are losing the likes of Cameron, Sheard, Skrine, maybe some others. Guys we drafted what? No more than 5 years ago?
So....build through the draft and just when these players are starting to get good let them go elsewhere?
It is possible that it is not a function of this team wanting to build through the draft....but a function of wanting to build through THEIR drafts.....and the drafts that were conducted before they got here be damned. I guess that happens a lot. A lot of these pro personell guys and coaches are loyal to the people they have chosen, and are not loyal to people already on their team.
And so far the building through the draft....under Ray Farmer has garnered us Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel in the first round....those have sucked so far, and it has gotten us some decent later rounders: Bitonio/West/Desir...maybe/Kirksey.
OK, you have 10 picks.....I expect 3-4 Pro Bowlers to come from these 10 picks.
Nailed it.
well the loss of an all-pro center and half the DL through those games might lead you to think that way but just because we're not jumping at every FA doesn't mean this team sucks.
i think we should all give these guys a chance to do their jobs.
if farmer produces like he did last year in the draft i'll be happy, if he throws up bricks and because of it the team goes 4 and 12 i'll be right here complaining along side of you. (highly doubt it tho).
Josh McCown sucks, is not an upgrade over Hoyer, Foles, or a healthy Sam Bradford.
Ahh building through the draft! We have been so good at doing that right? No.
2001- Passed on LaDainian Tomlinson for Gerard Warren
2002- Passed on Ed Reed for William Green
2004- Passed on Ben Rapistburger for Kellen WinSLOW
2005- Passed on Aaron Rodgers, DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman for Braylon "Mr.Drops" Edwards
2007- Passed Adrian Peterson for Joe Thomas ( If we take Peterson first, then a very good Joe Staley is availible instead of Quinn )
These ones were the worst that I found, I know the last one won't be popular but Joe Staley is still a 4x Pro bowler so he is still a better then average OT.
I've been saying the same for years.
Until proven otherwise, I'd say we need... Starting QB, WR, RT, OLB, CB and a kicker... I think we need depth (future starters) at OL, DL, ILB, S
Preach it. The plan is "Fail for Cardale".
The plan is "Fail for Cardale".
It's always been hard for me to agree with tanking a season for a player... it's kind of one thing if your season starts horrible and at the mid-point it seems the best option, then go for it! but to intentionally tank for the first pic, before the year even start? That person you will be targeting has to play a whole season still. What if he gets hurt or doesn't play up to expectation. Just too risky if you ask me.
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can we list the name of whining flippin' hookers on this board before, during and after the FA, draft?season/repeat/rinse?
OMG, we won't spend half our cap-space on oneplayer! OMG"
Mik- I reserve the right to bitch when I see something worthy to bitch about- and I see plenty of things bitch worthy right now.
Building through the draft is a fine concept......but when you draft those players who then leave right when they are hitting their prime it sort of undermines the whole concept, no?
I mean, we are losing the likes of Cameron, Sheard, Skrine, maybe some others. Guys we drafted what? No more than 5 years ago?
So....build through the draft and just when these players are starting to get good let them go elsewhere?
It is possible that it is not a function of this team wanting to build through the draft....but a function of wanting to build through THEIR drafts.....and the drafts that were conducted before they got here be damned. I guess that happens a lot. A lot of these pro personell guys and coaches are loyal to the people they have chosen, and are not loyal to people already on their team.
And so far the building through the draft....under Ray Farmer has garnered us Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel in the first round....those have sucked so far, and it has gotten us some decent later rounders: Bitonio/West/Desir...maybe/Kirksey.
OK, you have 10 picks.....I expect 3-4 Pro Bowlers to come from these 10 picks.
Nailed it.
well the loss of an all-pro center and half the DL through those games might lead you to think that way but just because we're not jumping at every FA doesn't mean this team sucks.
i think we should all give these guys a chance to do their jobs.
if farmer produces like he did last year in the draft i'll be happy, if he throws up bricks and because of it the team goes 4 and 12 i'll be right here complaining along side of you. (highly doubt it tho).
Josh McCown sucks, is not an upgrade over Hoyer, Foles, or a healthy Sam Bradford.
Ahh building through the draft! We have been so good at doing that right? No.
2001- Passed on LaDainian Tomlinson for Gerard Warren
2002- Passed on Ed Reed for William Green
2004- Passed on Ben Rapistburger for Kellen WinSLOW
2005- Passed on Aaron Rodgers, DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman for Braylon "Mr.Drops" Edwards
2007- Passed Adrian Peterson for Joe Thomas ( If we take Peterson first, then a very good Joe Staley is availible instead of Quinn )
These ones were the worst that I found, I know the last one won't be popular but Joe Staley is still a 4x Pro bowler so he is still a better then average OT.
I've been saying the same for years.
Until proven otherwise, I'd say we need... Starting QB, WR, RT, OLB, CB and a kicker... I think we need depth (future starters) at OL, DL, ILB, S
Preach it. The plan is "Fail for Cardale".
Mik- I reserve the right to bitch when I see something worthy to bitch about- and I see plenty of things bitch worthy right now.
Nailed it.
Josh McCown sucks, is not an upgrade over Hoyer, Foles, or a healthy Sam Bradford.
I've been saying the same for years.
Preach it. The plan is "Fail for Cardale".
mccown is not an upgrade at all, but a band aid until you get stitches. who knows what farmer has up his sleeves, but just because we're not jumping through hoops making it rain for FAs doesn't mean they're not trying.
when did you become a quitter? lol.
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