Charles Clay visits Browns after Bills
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there are a number of articles relating how bad the dolphins $$$ issues are...but here is a link thats kept up to speed for the most prt...
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there are a number of articles relating how bad the dolphins $$$ issues are...but here is a link thats kept up to speed for the most prt...
there are a number of articles relating how bad the dolphins $$$ issues are...but here is a link thats kept up to speed for the most prt...
I could not tell if that represented the current situation after the last few days of signing or not. Per that it did seem to imply that the Dolphins still had about 6 Million in cap room...third least. Browns had 3rd most.
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If Miami is out of money then how are they going to sign Jordan Cameron? I hope Cameron re-signs with the Browns and we draft a big tight end. We still have the most picks of any team. By the way, I read on ESPN that Chip Kelly is not fooling anyone when he says that "a team" offered him a first round pick for Bradford. If anyone team was that interested they would have dealt directly with St. Louis before the trade. So Chip Kelly is up to something. Just hope the Browns aren't foolish enough to trade their two picks for a guy who has only proven his knees are trashed.
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If Miami is out of money then how are they going to sign Jordan Cameron? I hope Cameron re-signs with the Browns and we draft a big tight end. We still have the most picks of any team. By the way, I read on ESPN that Chip Kelly is not fooling anyone when he says that "a team" offered him a first round pick for Bradford. If anyone team was that interested they would have dealt directly with St. Louis before the trade. So Chip Kelly is up to something. Just hope the Browns aren't foolish enough to trade their two picks for a guy who has only proven his knees are trashed.
If Miami is out of money then how are they going to sign Jordan Cameron? I hope Cameron re-signs with the Browns and we draft a big tight end. We still have the most picks of any team. By the way, I read on ESPN that Chip Kelly is not fooling anyone when he says that "a team" offered him a first round pick for Bradford. If anyone team was that interested they would have dealt directly with St. Louis before the trade. So Chip Kelly is up to something. Just hope the Browns aren't foolish enough to trade their two picks for a guy who has only proven his knees are trashed.
What makes anyone think that we are having any dealings with the Eagles at all?
Just because we are the only team with 2 first rounders? Just because Kelly would like to get his hands on Mariota?
It is not the Browns he needs to deal with for that.
WTF can they give us or WTF can we give them that would net them Mariota.
Besides....Kelly is going all in for a different offense. They just acquired DeMarco Murray.
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Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....
so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....
year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match
year 2 = $ 4 million
year 3 = $ 4 million
so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......
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Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....
so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....
year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match
year 2 = $ 4 million
year 3 = $ 4 million
so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......
Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....
so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....
year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match
year 2 = $ 4 million
year 3 = $ 4 million
so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......
Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.
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Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....
so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....
year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match
year 2 = $ 4 million
year 3 = $ 4 million
so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......
Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.
Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.
I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......
and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...
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Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.
I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......
and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...
I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......
and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...
OK, brilliant....that cold knock Miami out of it.....but who else is in the hunt for him?
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I can't imagine Hartline isn't doing some recruiting on this...
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Pros/Cons Cameron vs. Clay:
Clay about 8 months younger actually than Jordan
What about injury history? Jordan's is an issue, how about Clay?
Clay has had more catches for more yards and more TDs that Cameron....of course Cameron has missed half his games.
Other pros/cons? I am of the belief that the money should be similar.
Cameron saying essentially that he doesn't want to stay......so black mark on him.
What else?
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Even though we just inked Cameron, I still wouldn't mind picking up Clay because of Jordan's injury history.
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Even though we just inked Cameron, I still wouldn't mind picking up Clay because of Jordan's injury history.
Even though we just inked Cameron, I still wouldn't mind picking up Clay because of Jordan's injury history.
Totally agree. Different types of players for sure
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Yes Buffalo it going after Clay after releasing Chandler. My bet is Rex Ryan will win on this one.
Yes Buffalo it going after Clay after releasing Chandler. My bet is Rex Ryan will win on this one.
Well, now that the Browns actually did lose Cameron, they need to try harder to get Clay.
I would hope the whole embarassment of "we signed JC.....oops, no we didn't" would motivate them to go out and get this guy.
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Good point...
So? Right now we can look at this as a trade between the Browns and Dolphins, Jordan Cameron for Brian Hartline. We took their guy, they took ours.
If that were a trade, would you make it?
(but if we get Clay....we win?)
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So? Right now we can look at this as a trade between the Browns and Dolphins, Jordan Cameron for Brian Hartline. We took their guy, they took ours.
If that were a trade, would you make it?
(but if we get Clay....we win?)
Well they took the risk of more concussions, but protected themselves with no guaranteed money. We get a guy who may fit better what our O is trying to do eventually. Possession receiver vs occasional hr hitter who more often than not is not even there to play. I'll take that trade any day. History of concussions usually leads to very early retirement. We shall see.
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Even if Clay get taken off the board for the Browns there are still a few TEs out there to be had, that may be as worthy as JC was (at least less risky):
Jemaine Gresham
Tony Moeaki
Jacob Tamme
David Ausberry
Though I do think a TE will be taken in the draft. Probably not 1st/2d round but starting in round 3. James, O'Leary, Heuerman are possibles.
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Even if Clay get taken off the board for the Browns there are still a few TEs out there to be had, that may be as worthy as JC was (at least less risky):
Jemaine Gresham
Tony Moeaki
Jacob Tamme
David Ausberry
Though I do think a TE will be taken in the draft. Probably not 1st/2d round but starting in round 3. James, O'Leary, Heuerman are possibles.
Even if Clay get taken off the board for the Browns there are still a few TEs out there to be had, that may be as worthy as JC was (at least less risky):
Jemaine Gresham
Tony Moeaki
Jacob Tamme
David Ausberry
Though I do think a TE will be taken in the draft. Probably not 1st/2d round but starting in round 3. James, O'Leary, Heuerman are possibles.
Moeaki and Heuerman would be ideal, in my opinion.
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