Would you rather have an elite TE or elite WR?
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We could probably wait later than #19 to take Maxx.
i'm surprised you're not touting funchess...besides a true TE like maxx williams, funchess kinda falls into that hybrid mode with his size.
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Yeah, but we'd probably have to trade up, and I don't like the idea of that. We don't need to give up any picks, we need as many picks as possibleWe could probably wait later than #19 to take Maxx.
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I don't want either.
WR are shiny hood ornaments.
The only 2 teams to reach the Super Bowl played 8 WR's. All but 1 were undrafted. The teams that reached the Super Bowl spent their picks on OL and DL.
As for the TE's: Gronk was a 2nd, Hoomanawanui was a 5th, Willson was a 5th, Moeaki was a 3rd.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I don't want either.
WR are shiny hood ornaments.
The only 2 teams to reach the Super Bowl played 8 WR's. All but 1 were undrafted. The teams that reached the Super Bowl spent their picks on OL and DL.
As for the TE's: Gronk was a 2nd, Hoomanawanui was a 5th, Willson was a 5th, Moeaki was a 3rd.
I don't want either.
WR are shiny hood ornaments.
The only 2 teams to reach the Super Bowl played 8 WR's. All but 1 were undrafted. The teams that reached the Super Bowl spent their picks on OL and DL.
As for the TE's: Gronk was a 2nd, Hoomanawanui was a 5th, Willson was a 5th, Moeaki was a 3rd.
You dont build a team drafting WR in the first round.
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We could probably wait later than #19 to take Maxx.
i'm surprised you're not touting funchess...besides a true TE like maxx williams, funchess kinda falls into that hybrid mode with his size.
At least a couple mock drafts had him playing that hybrid role here. Ironically his upside was energetic play and the downside questionable dedication.i'm surprised you're not touting funchess...besides a true TE like maxx williams, funchess kinda falls into that hybrid mode with his size.
And the fact that he might not want to block.
WSS
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Jesus Christ that hurdle. Yeah I'd love to see us go after him. DT with the 12th pick, Maxx with the 19th. Take a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round, this years WR class is deep, it's not necessary for us to draft one in the 1st round.His leaping ability and athleticism is freakish. He reminds me of a less strong but more athletic Gronk.
I'd have NO PROBLEM taking him at #19 and addressing WR in the 2nd or 3rd.
Jesus Christ that hurdle. Yeah I'd love to see us go after him. DT with the 12th pick, Maxx with the 19th. Take a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round, this years WR class is deep, it's not necessary for us to draft one in the 1st round.
Concur.
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We could probably wait later than #19 to take Maxx.
Unless you trade to move up after 19, he will not be there. Mark this one down if you wish. He's gone before our 2nd rd pick.
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I just think we might be going after both in this draft. Thoughts?
Would you rather have a Gates/Gronk/Witten or a Green/Megatron/Fitzgerald?
I just think we might be going after both in this draft. Thoughts?
Would you rather have a Gates/Gronk/Witten or a Green/Megatron/Fitzgerald?
i wish other team board members would be naming players from our team that they wish they could have offensively. they don't because there are none..sooooooooo....and it appears all the really good players in fa are just about gone or soon will be without us getting any...unless you consider hartline really good which i don't...i think i'd rather have him than miles austin...they are both similar in that they are possesion receivers but hartline does not get injured like austin, but we need a really elite wr...to bad gordon did not work out...that is really what we needed...i guess i'd go for a megatron that you mentioned..that would be nice...but lets face it, we need a QB.....
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How about both? Several teams in history have had combination HOF WRs and HOF TEs:
Biletnikoff and Casper, Berry and Mackey, Joiner and Winslow.
Plus think of the Cowboys, Irvin and Novacek
I am sure there are others.
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The hurdle? Really? Maxx only looks "elite" in contrast to the general view of the rest of this year's TE class.
As for the newfound love for JM's upside JAF reported... given the depths of his actual performance to date, his upside had to increase greatly.
Meanwhile in response to the OP... I'll take the elite TE. They are rarer and create far greater issues for Defenses.
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If we drafted Maxx Williams I would be estatic. He's the only elite TE in this years draft
His leaping ability and athleticism is freakish. He reminds me of a less strong but more athletic Gronk.
I'd have NO PROBLEM taking him at #19 and addressing WR in the 2nd or 3rd.
His leaping ability and athleticism is freakish. He reminds me of a less strong but more athletic Gronk.
I'd have NO PROBLEM taking him at #19 and addressing WR in the 2nd or 3rd.
Why does he compare to Gronk? He plays nothing like him. Not to mention he's inferior in size and strength (two large aspects of Gronk's game).
He plays closer to a slightly more athletic Dallas Clark. Even then, he doesn't possess the body control that Clark does. Comparing him to Gronk misleads everyone.
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For me I'd take the elite TE. On any given play you can draw the attention and threaten the coverage of a backer, safety and corner depending on the route concepts and coverage. Plus, its much harder to bracket a TE split off the line than a receiver out wide. You force coverage to crowd the middle of the field where its already a scary place for young or average QB's to throw and you open up the outside receivers that much more.
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We could probably wait later than #19 to take Maxx.
i'm surprised you're not touting funchess...besides a true TE like maxx williams, funchess kinda falls into that hybrid mode with his size.
i'm surprised you're not touting funchess...besides a true TE like maxx williams, funchess kinda falls into that hybrid mode with his size.
Well, Maxx is more of a traditional TE than Funchess.
You could probably eventually move Funchess to full time TE, but it would take time.
Funchess is best served on a team that can utilize his hybrid skill set. Idk if we're that team.
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I just think we might be going after both in this draft. Thoughts?
Would you rather have a Gates/Gronk/Witten or a Green/Megatron/Fitzgerald?
I just think we might be going after both in this draft. Thoughts?
Would you rather have a Gates/Gronk/Witten or a Green/Megatron/Fitzgerald?
Well, Defensive Gurus like Bill Belichick always look for big, fast, ball-catching TEs over WRs.
Remember how he, supposedly, pulled the phone out of the wall when the Jets drafted TE Kyle Brady before the Browns?
He then drafted Gronk and Hernandez the same year and used them at the same time.
Sounds like big, mobile TEs are more difficult for Defenses to contain than do WRs.
The Pats won the SB with a couple of UDAs, etc. among their TE corps.
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I just think we might be going after both in this draft. Thoughts?
Would you rather have a Gates/Gronk/Witten or a Green/Megatron/Fitzgerald?
Well, Defensive Gurus like Bill Belichick always look for big, fast, ball-catching TEs over WRs.
Remember how he, supposedly, pulled the phone out of the wall when the Jets drafted TE Kyle Brady before the Browns?
He then drafted Gronk and Hernandez the same year and used them at the same time.
Sounds like big, mobile TEs are more difficult for Defenses to contain than do WRs.
The Pats won the SB with a couple of UDAs, etc. among their TE corps.
Well, Defensive Gurus like Bill Belichick always look for big, fast, ball-catching TEs over WRs.
Remember how he, supposedly, pulled the phone out of the wall when the Jets drafted TE Kyle Brady before the Browns?
He then drafted Gronk and Hernandez the same year and used them at the same time.
Sounds like big, mobile TEs are more difficult for Defenses to contain than do WRs.
The Pats won the SB with a couple of UDAs, etc. among their TE corps.
Defensive gurus and teams like the Pats with a couple of UDAs in the TE corps win Super Bowls when they have Tom Brady at Quarterback.
Got Tom Brady at QB? No. Got Aaron Rodgers? No. The rest don't matter.
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Well, Defensive Gurus like Bill Belichick always look for big, fast, ball-catching TEs over WRs.
Remember how he, supposedly, pulled the phone out of the wall when the Jets drafted TE Kyle Brady before the Browns?
He then drafted Gronk and Hernandez the same year and used them at the same time.
Sounds like big, mobile TEs are more difficult for Defenses to contain than do WRs.
The Pats won the SB with a couple of UDAs, etc. among their TE corps.
Defensive gurus and teams like the Pats with a couple of UDAs in the TE corps win Super Bowls when they have Tom Brady at Quarterback.
Got Tom Brady at QB? No. Got Aaron Rodgers? No. The rest don't matter.
Defensive gurus and teams like the Pats with a couple of UDAs in the TE corps win Super Bowls when they have Tom Brady at Quarterback.
Got Tom Brady at QB? No. Got Aaron Rodgers? No. The rest don't matter.
Gip, you have to get your head out of your ass when it comes to BB.
HOF Coach. Perhaps the best of all time.
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Defensive gurus and teams like the Pats with a couple of UDAs in the TE corps win Super Bowls when they have Tom Brady at Quarterback.
Got Tom Brady at QB? No. Got Aaron Rodgers? No. The rest don't matter.
Gip, you have to get your head out of your ass when it comes to BB.
HOF Coach. Perhaps the best of all time.
Gip, you have to get your head out of your ass when it comes to BB.
HOF Coach. Perhaps the best of all time.
Two winning seasons and 5 losing seasons without Tom Brady. I think we know who has their head up their ass.
If we were choosing sides for a pickup game (where picking coaches and players would be part of the deal), I will take Brady and give you BB all day every day.....and whip you all day every day.
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who was quarterback for most of those losing seasons again?
WSS
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The point is: It doesn't matter how good your WR are until your QB, OL, and DL are dominating.. because you'll lose.
When your QB, OL, and DL are dominating, it still doesn't matter how good your WR are.. because you'll win.
So, why bother with WR at all? Keep drafting OL/DL/QB early.
Besides... think about it. EVEN IF you get a great WR, he's leaving at the end of that rookie deal unless you get that great QB. And if you get that great QB, you'll find that you don't need a great WR to win.
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