Shaq? For real?
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I see the stats too, but tell me one time he hit a big shot? Every time I see him in the 4th with 3 minutes left I cringe. You can be a solid player, but if you can't hit the big shot? That's what we need. None of this I'm a 13 million dollar role player.
I can't think of a big shot attempt he has had to make. Unless I go back to last years playoffs against BOS when he shot horrible. With 3 minutes left to go in a game, Wally isn't even likely to get the shot. Not with Mo and James on this team. Not like Wally has ever been asked to take a Fisher or Robert Horry shot.
The whole hit the big shot thing is just silly. There is one guy in the NBA who can hit the "big shot" on a regular basis, and his name is Kobe.
Masters said:
I can't think of a big shot attempt he has had to make. Unless I go back to last years playoffs against BOS when he shot horrible. With 3 minutes left to go in a game, Wally isn't even likely to get the shot. Not with Mo and James on this team. Not like Wally has ever been asked to take a Fisher or Robert Horry shot.The whole hit the big shot thing is just silly. There is one guy in the NBA who can hit the "big shot" on a regular basis, and his name is Kobe.
Really? I am not talking about the game winning shot every game, I am talking about when we are down 8 with 5 minutes left, he bricks a 3 pointer and then gets beat down the court because of the bricked long rebound.
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Masters said:
I was just saying before he was traded to CLE. Before the trade he was averaging 13 a night for SEA. His number of shot attempts went down in CLE and have continued to. But CLE has more options than SEA had.I'd gladly take Jefferson for him though. Jefferson can play the same roll, but is much better than Wally all around.
I found the stats, Wally is averaging 1.3 points in the 4th quarter with 30% from 3-point.
Sasha & Gibson have better 3 point % and between all the regulars (except Wallace of course) is averaging the lowest point total for the year. How much is Gibson making? Not 13 mil.
What does that say about not "getting attempts". Because he can't hit a 4th quarter shot. This also makes sense why he averaged so much with other teams, because he was riding the pine for someone making half what he makes.
I found the stats, Wally is averaging 1.3 points in the 4th quarter with 30% from 3-point.
Sasha & Gibson have better 3 point % and between all the regulars (except Wallace of course) is averaging the lowest point total for the year. How much is Gibson making? Not 13 mil.
What does that say about not "getting attempts". Because he can't hit a 4th quarter shot. This also makes sense why he averaged so much with other teams, because he was riding the pine for someone making half what he makes.
With a healthy West, Wally wouldn't be in late in a 4th QTR.
And of course getting attempts matters. Look at the stats you just showed (which include a %, which attempts/makes greatly says a %). That .3 difference in shot ATT between Wally and Sasha on is the difference in their %. Looking at the 3's, you got 2 guys not even averaging 1 whole att a game, and Boobie at over 1. For the points, you are comparing against Boobie who has played 100 more minutes in the 4th quarter and getting a little more than 1 shot more a 4th QTR than Wally or Sasha. Which actually also goes to show Wally ain't seeing shots or time in the 4th QTR.
So it still begs the question, when has Wally been asked to make a big shot in the 4th quarter with less than 3 minutes left?
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Masters said:
I can't think of a big shot attempt he has had to make. Unless I go back to last years playoffs against BOS when he shot horrible. With 3 minutes left to go in a game, Wally isn't even likely to get the shot. Not with Mo and James on this team. Not like Wally has ever been asked to take a Fisher or Robert Horry shot.The whole hit the big shot thing is just silly. There is one guy in the NBA who can hit the "big shot" on a regular basis, and his name is Kobe.
Really? I am not talking about the game winning shot every game, I am talking about when we are down 8 with 5 minutes left, he bricks a 3 pointer and then gets beat down the court because of the bricked long rebound.
Really? I am not talking about the game winning shot every game, I am talking about when we are down 8 with 5 minutes left, he bricks a 3 pointer and then gets beat down the court because of the bricked long rebound.
Dude, I see that same stuff from Lebron, Sasha, and Boobie too in those situations too. I actually see it the most from James, not Wally.
And you just said a couple of posts ago "Every time I see him in the 4th with 3 minutes left I cringe".
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I found the stats, Wally is averaging 1.3 points in the 4th quarter with 30% from 3-point.
Sasha & Gibson have better 3 point % and between all the regulars (except Wallace of course) is averaging the lowest point total for the year. How much is Gibson making? Not 13 mil.
What does that say about not "getting attempts". Because he can't hit a 4th quarter shot. This also makes sense why he averaged so much with other teams, because he was riding the pine for someone making half what he makes.
With a healthy West, Wally wouldn't be in late in a 4th QTR.
And of course getting attempts matters. Look at the stats you just showed (which include a %, which attempts/makes greatly says a %). That .3 difference in shot ATT between Wally and Sasha on is the difference in their %. Looking at the 3's, you got 2 guys not even averaging 1 whole att a game, and Boobie at over 1. For the points, you are comparing against Boobie who has played 100 more minutes in the 4th quarter and getting a little more than 1 shot more a 4th QTR than Wally or Sasha. Which actually also goes to show Wally ain't seeing shots or time in the 4th QTR.
So it still begs the question, when has Wally been asked to make a big shot in the 4th quarter with less than 3 minutes left?
Masters said:
With a healthy West, Wally wouldn't be in late in a 4th QTR.And of course getting attempts matters. Look at the stats you just showed (which include a %, which attempts/makes greatly says a %). That .3 difference in shot ATT between Wally and Sasha on is the difference in their %. Looking at the 3's, you got 2 guys not even averaging 1 whole att a game, and Boobie at over 1. For the points, you are comparing against Boobie who has played 100 more minutes in the 4th quarter. Which actually also goes to show Wally ain't seeing shots or time in the 4th QTR.
So it still begs the question, when has Wally been asked to make a big shot in the 4th quarter with less than 3 minutes left?
Thank you for making my point for me. We don't ask him because he can't.
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Really? I am not talking about the game winning shot every game, I am talking about when we are down 8 with 5 minutes left, he bricks a 3 pointer and then gets beat down the court because of the bricked long rebound.
Dude, I see that same stuff from Lebron, Sasha, and Boobie too in those situations too. I actually see it the most from James, not Wally.
And you just said a couple of posts ago "Every time I see him in the 4th with 3 minutes left I cringe".
Masters said:
Dude, I see that same stuff from Lebron, Sasha, and Boobie too in those situations too. I actually see it the most from James, not Wally.True, man look at Lebron's 3 point & in the 4th, LOL. It's like 24% percent or something. I agree.
I do remember a hot Boobie (LOL) last year when the time came down to it.
I am just not a fan, don't think he's worth what he getting paid, that's all.
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Masters said:
With a healthy West, Wally wouldn't be in late in a 4th QTR.And of course getting attempts matters. Look at the stats you just showed (which include a %, which attempts/makes greatly says a %). That .3 difference in shot ATT between Wally and Sasha on is the difference in their %. Looking at the 3's, you got 2 guys not even averaging 1 whole att a game, and Boobie at over 1. For the points, you are comparing against Boobie who has played 100 more minutes in the 4th quarter. Which actually also goes to show Wally ain't seeing shots or time in the 4th QTR.
So it still begs the question, when has Wally been asked to make a big shot in the 4th quarter with less than 3 minutes left?
Thank you for making my point for me. We don't ask him because he can't.
Thank you for making my point for me. We don't ask him because he can't.
They don't ask cause they don't need him to. Plus Boobie plays better D at the 2G than Wally, so in the closing minutes Boobie sees the time. But that is sort of my point in the end. Your saying Wally can't hit the shots in the 4th, but there is nothing to back that up. He isn't even given the chance in the 4th that the others get.
I'd agree he isn't worth what he is paid, at least not for CLE. But that isn't really an issue since he is in the last year of his deal. What matters in the end is does he get his job on this team done. Thsi year, that is a big yes.
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Thank you for making my point for me. We don't ask him because he can't.
They don't ask cause they don't need him to. Plus Boobie plays better D at the 2G than Wally, so in the closing minutes Boobie sees the time. But that is sort of my point in the end. Your saying Wally can't hit the shots in the 4th, but there is nothing to back that up. He isn't even given the chance in the 4th that the others get.
I'd agree he isn't worth what he is paid, at least not for CLE. But that isn't really an issue since he is in the last year of his deal. What matters in the end is does he get his job on this team done. Thsi year, that is a big yes.
Masters said:
They don't ask cause they don't need him to. Plus Boobie plays better D at the 2G than Wally, so in the closing minutes Boobie sees the time. But that is sort of my point in the end. Your saying Wally can't hit the shots in the 4th, but there is nothing to back that up. He isn't even given the chance in the 4th that the others get.I'd agree he isn't worth what he is paid, at least not for CLE. But that isn't really an issue since he is in the last year of his deal. What matters in the end is does he get his job on this team done. Thsi year, that is a big yes.
Point taken. Let's see if he can step up with everyone hurt. Hopefully we can see a hot Boobie in the playoffs again. Had to type it again, I didn't realize what I was typing the first time after I typed it. I was laughing out loud in my office.
Let's go Cavs!
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Will all depend on how healthy Boobie is. He is just starting to get his shot back. Need him to not have an injuries before or during the playoffs.
Masters said:
Will all depend on how healthy Boobie is. He is just starting to get his shot back. Need him to not have an injuries before or during the playoffs.A healthy Boobie is always good.
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Masters said:
You all see Shaq having to resort to flopping against Howard tonight?no
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What I see by looking at the stats is Shaq and Howard had relatively even games.
He did flop once...they just showed it on ESPN and it's getting attention because he specifically said before the game that he hopes the refs let them "bang around" and there's "no flopping."
That said, they had relatively even games. Howard was in foul trouble early, instead of GETTING his opponents in foul trouble. Makes a differerence...though they still won the game.
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I'll quote Mike Tirico from just now ... "The Celtics are absolutely destroying the Cavaliers on the inside."
I called Leon Powe and Kendrick Perkins tough and smart, and was laughed at by someone claiming that they're soft wide-eyed youngsters just like Hickson.
I guess I was wrong saying Powe and Perkins, because Davis is a stud too. All three of them are smart, tough, championship type players and they're the ones laughing at Cleveland's interior right now. Points in the paint are 32-12 right now, and that's halftime.
Not sure what the final stats were, but they were pathetic. Powe, Davis, and Perkins combined for something like 40 points and 21 boards. And that's with Davis having been ejected half way through the game. And sans Garnett.
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If you really think CLE just lost to BOS because of toughness on the interior, well, that is what you get for listening to a genius like Tirico. I'll also continue to laugh at thinking Powe, Davis, and Perkins are really that good. But if I based all my reactions and comments solely to after CLE losses, I might have a distorted view as well.
Those that watched the Cavs vs. BOS game know CLE lost for three big reasons. One, CLE continued to settle for jump shots instead of taking the ball to the hoop. Second, they shot less than 50% from the field. Third, NO BALL movement. CLE was held to a total 17 AST for the whole game. Meanwhile BOS had 31. Hell, even Ellis Burks was going off Saturday at the spring training game about the same damn things.
If CLE isn't driving to the paint, they ain't gonna get points in the paint.
Yeah, Powe, Davis, and Perkins combined for 40pts and 21 boards. CLE 3, which is now Z, Varejao, and Joe Smth, combined for 34pts and 16 boards. So not really the discrepancy you are trying to make it out to be. Both teams were equal on the offensive glass and total rebounds.
Then of course there is the whole fact that neither team has won on the opponents home court for 14 straight games.
The game proved nothing at all.
Powe, Davis, Perkins, and really the whole BOS team sure didn't look all that great last night against ORL now did they. While CLE bounced back when playing back to back games to beat the Heat.
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