Danny Shelton
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Brady-Wilfork. Big Ben-Hampton. Manziel...Shelton.
True 3-4 NT's come along twice a decade like franchise QB's. At least get one half right and get Shelton.
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Being immovable up the middle is first and foremost. Work inside and take pressure off the outside.
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Shelton won't make it to 12
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Can Brown really play the 3-4? I know he never ran it at Texas. I've always liked him but not as a 3-4 nose.
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Zombo said:
Can we talk about the Brady-Ben-Manziel part?
Z
Steeler fans can't talk intelligently about it. They think that the Steelers are good because their fans are superior. (another absolute myth). They don't seem to have a clue that the keys to their recent success have been the presence of a Hall of Fame caliber QB and a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator. They have now lost half of that combination.....but those assfucks think that they can just plug in another guy and they will be just as good. They don't have a clue as to how lucky they are to have taken a BR when they did. They are lucky because for what everything is worth....BR could have turned out to be no better than JMZ. His off field problems were worse than Johnnys. But he was good enough as a QB to overcome all that. Johnny very well may not be.
They think that they can just plug in another guy at DC....and eventually at QB and always be just as good. They are stupid that way.
They are ignorant of their own past. They went from 1982 to 2004 with some lousy QBs....Mark Malone , Bubby Brister, Tommy Maddox. They did pretty well with Neil O'Donnell. They are stupid to the fact that if BR went down again that the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones ain't going to replace him....and that they won't have LeBeau to dig them out of the fire.
The Browns have had a whole series of bad luck with their QBs. The Steelers have had one stroke of good luck....drafting BR....that has sustained them for a decade now. They think that it is their automatic right that that continue.
Patriot fans are probably equally as clueless. Tom Brady won't last forever....and BBs record without Brady at QB? 2 winning seasons, 5 losing seasons. While BB and TB have been a great combination, it is by no means proven that BB can win without Brady. He has not proven to me that he is the equivalent of a Tom Landry or Don Shula, or Joe Gibbs....that he can win with whomever he has had at QB.
BB has losing seasons with Bernie Kosar....and Todd Philcox, with Vinny, with Bledsoe. He had one winning season with Vinny and one with Matt Cassell. Without TB there should be no assumption that the team would be worth a shit just because BB is the coach.
(does that talk satisfy you?)
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Can Brown really play the 3-4? I know he never ran it at Texas. I've always liked him but not as a 3-4 nose.
Two questions:
Did we need another Shelton thread?
Who pissed off Gip this AM?
Can Brown really play the 3-4? I know he never ran it at Texas. I've always liked him but not as a 3-4 nose.
I see Brown as being as immovable as Shelton vs. the run, but lacking Shelton's versatility to attack and pressure the middle of the pocket on passing downs.
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Zombo said:
Can we talk about the Brady-Ben-Manziel part?
Z
Steeler fans can't talk intelligently about it. They think that the Steelers are good because their fans are superior. (another absolute myth). They don't seem to have a clue that the keys to their recent success have been the presence of a Hall of Fame caliber QB and a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator. They have now lost half of that combination.....but those assfucks think that they can just plug in another guy and they will be just as good. They don't have a clue as to how lucky they are to have taken a BR when they did. They are lucky because for what everything is worth....BR could have turned out to be no better than JMZ. His off field problems were worse than Johnnys. But he was good enough as a QB to overcome all that. Johnny very well may not be.
They think that they can just plug in another guy at DC....and eventually at QB and always be just as good. They are stupid that way.
They are ignorant of their own past. They went from 1982 to 2004 with some lousy QBs....Mark Malone , Bubby Brister, Tommy Maddox. They did pretty well with Neil O'Donnell. They are stupid to the fact that if BR went down again that the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones ain't going to replace him....and that they won't have LeBeau to dig them out of the fire.
The Browns have had a whole series of bad luck with their QBs. The Steelers have had one stroke of good luck....drafting BR....that has sustained them for a decade now. They think that it is their automatic right that that continue.
Patriot fans are probably equally as clueless. Tom Brady won't last forever....and BBs record without Brady at QB? 2 winning seasons, 5 losing seasons. While BB and TB have been a great combination, it is by no means proven that BB can win without Brady. He has not proven to me that he is the equivalent of a Tom Landry or Don Shula, or Joe Gibbs....that he can win with whomever he has had at QB.
BB has losing seasons with Bernie Kosar....and Todd Philcox, with Vinny, with Bledsoe. He had one winning season with Vinny and one with Matt Cassell. Without TB there should be no assumption that the team would be worth a shit just because BB is the coach.
(does that talk satisfy you?)
Steeler fans can't talk intelligently about it. They think that the Steelers are good because their fans are superior. (another absolute myth). They don't seem to have a clue that the keys to their recent success have been the presence of a Hall of Fame caliber QB and a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator. They have now lost half of that combination.....but those assfucks think that they can just plug in another guy and they will be just as good. They don't have a clue as to how lucky they are to have taken a BR when they did. They are lucky because for what everything is worth....BR could have turned out to be no better than JMZ. His off field problems were worse than Johnnys. But he was good enough as a QB to overcome all that. Johnny very well may not be.
They think that they can just plug in another guy at DC....and eventually at QB and always be just as good. They are stupid that way.
They are ignorant of their own past. They went from 1982 to 2004 with some lousy QBs....Mark Malone , Bubby Brister, Tommy Maddox. They did pretty well with Neil O'Donnell. They are stupid to the fact that if BR went down again that the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones ain't going to replace him....and that they won't have LeBeau to dig them out of the fire.
The Browns have had a whole series of bad luck with their QBs. The Steelers have had one stroke of good luck....drafting BR....that has sustained them for a decade now. They think that it is their automatic right that that continue.
Patriot fans are probably equally as clueless. Tom Brady won't last forever....and BBs record without Brady at QB? 2 winning seasons, 5 losing seasons. While BB and TB have been a great combination, it is by no means proven that BB can win without Brady. He has not proven to me that he is the equivalent of a Tom Landry or Don Shula, or Joe Gibbs....that he can win with whomever he has had at QB.
BB has losing seasons with Bernie Kosar....and Todd Philcox, with Vinny, with Bledsoe. He had one winning season with Vinny and one with Matt Cassell. Without TB there should be no assumption that the team would be worth a shit just because BB is the coach.
(does that talk satisfy you?)
Has Flugels taken over your body?
My point was that regardless of who plays nose tackle, Johnny Manziel in the same breath as Brady and Ben at this point is laughable ... so, yes, I think you covered that.
Z
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Two questions:
Did we need another Shelton thread?
Who pissed off Gip this AM?
Can Brown really play the 3-4? I know he never ran it at Texas. I've always liked him but not as a 3-4 nose.
I see Brown as being as immovable as Shelton vs. the run, but lacking Shelton's versatility to attack and pressure the middle of the pocket on passing downs.
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Steeler fans can't talk intelligently about it. They think that the Steelers are good because their fans are superior. (another absolute myth). They don't seem to have a clue that the keys to their recent success have been the presence of a Hall of Fame caliber QB and a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator. They have now lost half of that combination.....but those assfucks think that they can just plug in another guy and they will be just as good. They don't have a clue as to how lucky they are to have taken a BR when they did. They are lucky because for what everything is worth....BR could have turned out to be no better than JMZ. His off field problems were worse than Johnnys. But he was good enough as a QB to overcome all that. Johnny very well may not be.
They think that they can just plug in another guy at DC....and eventually at QB and always be just as good. They are stupid that way.
They are ignorant of their own past. They went from 1982 to 2004 with some lousy QBs....Mark Malone , Bubby Brister, Tommy Maddox. They did pretty well with Neil O'Donnell. They are stupid to the fact that if BR went down again that the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones ain't going to replace him....and that they won't have LeBeau to dig them out of the fire.
The Browns have had a whole series of bad luck with their QBs. The Steelers have had one stroke of good luck....drafting BR....that has sustained them for a decade now. They think that it is their automatic right that that continue.
Patriot fans are probably equally as clueless. Tom Brady won't last forever....and BBs record without Brady at QB? 2 winning seasons, 5 losing seasons. While BB and TB have been a great combination, it is by no means proven that BB can win without Brady. He has not proven to me that he is the equivalent of a Tom Landry or Don Shula, or Joe Gibbs....that he can win with whomever he has had at QB.
BB has losing seasons with Bernie Kosar....and Todd Philcox, with Vinny, with Bledsoe. He had one winning season with Vinny and one with Matt Cassell. Without TB there should be no assumption that the team would be worth a shit just because BB is the coach.
(does that talk satisfy you?)
Has Flugels taken over your body?
My point was that regardless of who plays nose tackle, Johnny Manziel in the same breath as Brady and Ben at this point is laughable ... so, yes, I think you covered that.
Z
Zombo said:
Has Flugels taken over your body?
Yes, and here is the result:
OH WELL....talk about Asshats.
My point was that regardless of who plays nose tackle, Johnny Manziel in the same breath as Brady and Ben at this point is laughable ... so, yes, I think you covered that.
I wish that at some point that he could be talked about in the same breath....but I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
Z
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Shelton is a Franchise NT. He could be the best 3-4 NT in the league Week 1. Stuff the run, stuff the run...and push the pocket. Fuck yes.
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He has yet to play a snap in the NFL. You're high.
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why trade up to get a guy when there is another who is rated just a tad below the other and won't cost you anything to get him?
and anyone the browns pick is a gamble as is any other player for any other team. freak injuries, suspensions.......you really can't say anyone is a 'sure thing'.
if shelton is still there at ten i'm sure farmer would try and move up using some later round pick(s) but to land one of the top 3 NTs with either the 12th or 19th pick would be fine in my book.
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Who is the third Mik, I was under the impression there was a drop off after Shelton and Brown
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I'm a little concerned with stamina until he changes 30 lbs of fat to muscle. Brown or Goldman I am not concerned with on that factor.\
Draftscouts actually has Goldman ahead of either Brown or Shelton.
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Who is the third Mik, I was under the impression there was a drop off after Shelton and Brown
Who is the third Mik, I was under the impression there was a drop off after Shelton and Brown
Gotta be Leonard Williams...who is actually first.....then Shelton, etc.....
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I'm a little concerned with stamina until he changes 30 lbs of fat to muscle. Brown or Goldman I am not concerned with on that factor.\
Draftscouts actually has Goldman ahead of either Brown or Shelton.
I'm a little concerned with stamina until he changes 30 lbs of fat to muscle. Brown or Goldman I am not concerned with on that factor.
I'm not concerned with Goldman's fatigue. I'm concerned with his talent level and effectiveness.
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