Danny Shelton
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Williams wont be lasting til 12 though?
Williams wont be lasting til 12 though?
Unless NFL GM's in the top 10 are replaced by toddlers.
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I'm a little concerned with stamina until he changes 30 lbs of fat to muscle. Brown or Goldman I am not concerned with on that factor.\
Draftscouts actually has Goldman ahead of either Brown or Shelton.
I'm a little concerned with stamina until he changes 30 lbs of fat to muscle. Brown or Goldman I am not concerned with on that factor.\
Draftscouts actually has Goldman ahead of either Brown or Shelton.
I've not heard anyone question Shelton's stamina. I have seen him called a high-motor player.
Not sure who DraftScouts is, but that list is dated Feb 3rd. Currently DraftScout has Goldman is ranked as their #5 DT. Shelton is #2 and Brown #3.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=DT&draftyear=2015&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
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I'm a little concerned with stamina until he changes 30 lbs of fat to muscle. Brown or Goldman I am not concerned with on that factor.\
Draftscouts actually has Goldman ahead of either Brown or Shelton.
I've not heard anyone question Shelton's stamina. I have seen him called a high-motor player.
Not sure who DraftScouts is, but that list is dated Feb 3rd. Currently DraftScout has Goldman is ranked as their #5 DT. Shelton is #2 and Brown #3.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=DT&draftyear=2015&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
I've not heard anyone question Shelton's stamina. I have seen him called a high-motor player.
Not sure who DraftScouts is, but that list is dated Feb 3rd.
Right.....Ive heard the same on Shelton.....great speed and motor....moves very well for his size...
and...yes....that Draftscout list is ancient......(and very wrong, based upon todays rankings)
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Would you package the #19 pick and a second rounder for Shelton. Dude would would anchor the defense for a decade.
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I like yours better Tour.
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Would you package the #19 pick and a second rounder for Shelton. Dude would would anchor the defense for a decade.
Would you package the #19 pick and a second rounder for Shelton. Dude would would anchor the defense for a decade.
hey i love shelton too but we only have one second rounder so.......you'd trade 2 of our first 3 picks (19 and 43) for one player? you know what kind of talent lies in the area of those 3 picks? man we'd pass up on some great value for one guy. i don't like the idea when the WR/TE and DE/OLB positions will still need to be addressed and within that area, very good value is still available.
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Would you package the #19 pick and a second rounder for Shelton. Dude would would anchor the defense for a decade.
hey i love shelton too but we only have one second rounder so.......you'd trade 2 of our first 3 picks (19 and 43) for one player? you know what kind of talent lies in the area of those 3 picks? man we'd pass up on some great value for one guy. i don't like the idea when the WR/TE and DE/OLB positions will still need to be addressed and within that area, very good value is still available.
hey i love shelton too but we only have one second rounder so.......you'd trade 2 of our first 3 picks (19 and 43) for one player? you know what kind of talent lies in the area of those 3 picks? man we'd pass up on some great value for one guy. i don't like the idea when the WR/TE and DE/OLB positions will still need to be addressed and within that area, very good value is still avaiI
I feel you not wanting to give up picks. This isn't the Herschel Walker trade. Shelton would transform the defense way more than say, Watkins will help the Bills. Even if Watkins is Megatron 2.0 the Bills are fucked.
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Would you package the #19 pick and a second rounder for Shelton. Dude would would anchor the defense for a decade.
hey i love shelton too but we only have one second rounder so.......you'd trade 2 of our first 3 picks (19 and 43) for one player? you know what kind of talent lies in the area of those 3 picks? man we'd pass up on some great value for one guy. i don't like the idea when the WR/TE and DE/OLB positions will still need to be addressed and within that area, very good value is still available.
hey i love shelton too but we only have one second rounder so.......you'd trade 2 of our first 3 picks (19 and 43) for one player? you know what kind of talent lies in the area of those 3 picks? man we'd pass up on some great value for one guy. i don't like the idea when the WR/TE and DE/OLB positions will still need to be addressed and within that area, very good value is still available.
Totally agree. Of the top 3 NT's, Shelton shows me He is the one that can crush and Pressure A QB from the Middle of the Pocket. I am looking at we have 2-6th rounder's and 1 7th. Most our needs should be filled and Farmer usually trades out of them or down.. Worth a Call to Me to try to move up a couple spots..
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It is not worth it to trade up. I'd just pick Goldman - he's quite a player, I just like Shelton better for some reason.
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Trading up for Shelton is a close call for me, I wouldn't be mad either way. Hopefully the dude falls to 12, but doubt it.
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wait a sec, if all you were trading was the 19 and a 2nd rounder....for Shelton? Fuck yeah you jump all over that mark you just got the fuck over on somebody real hard. Of course we're not gonna be able to land Shelton without giving up the 12th pick, be serious. But yeah if we could keep the 12th and move up for our 19th and a 2nd rounder you'd possibly be looking at Shelton and one of the great fucking pass rushers coming out this year.
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The player you could have picked in the second round, is worth the difference between
Goldman and Shelton?
I don't see it.
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Steeler fans can't talk intelligently about it. They think that the Steelers are good because their fans are superior. (another absolute myth). They don't seem to have a clue that the keys to their recent success have been the presence of a Hall of Fame caliber QB and a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator. They have now lost half of that combination.....but those assfucks think that they can just plug in another guy and they will be just as good. They don't have a clue as to how lucky they are to have taken a BR when they did. They are lucky because for what everything is worth....BR could have turned out to be no better than JMZ. His off field problems were worse than Johnnys. But he was good enough as a QB to overcome all that. Johnny very well may not be.
They think that they can just plug in another guy at DC....and eventually at QB and always be just as good. They are stupid that way.
They are ignorant of their own past. They went from 1982 to 2004 with some lousy QBs....Mark Malone , Bubby Brister, Tommy Maddox. They did pretty well with Neil O'Donnell. They are stupid to the fact that if BR went down again that the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones ain't going to replace him....and that they won't have LeBeau to dig them out of the fire.
The Browns have had a whole series of bad luck with their QBs. The Steelers have had one stroke of good luck....drafting BR....that has sustained them for a decade now. They think that it is their automatic right that that continue.
Patriot fans are probably equally as clueless. Tom Brady won't last forever....and BBs record without Brady at QB? 2 winning seasons, 5 losing seasons. While BB and TB have been a great combination, it is by no means proven that BB can win without Brady. He has not proven to me that he is the equivalent of a Tom Landry or Don Shula, or Joe Gibbs....that he can win with whomever he has had at QB.
BB has losing seasons with Bernie Kosar....and Todd Philcox, with Vinny, with Bledsoe. He had one winning season with Vinny and one with Matt Cassell. Without TB there should be no assumption that the team would be worth a shit just because BB is the coach.
(does that talk satisfy you?)
Has Flugels taken over your body?
My point was that regardless of who plays nose tackle, Johnny Manziel in the same breath as Brady and Ben at this point is laughable ... so, yes, I think you covered that.
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Zombo said:
Has Flugels taken over your body?
My point was that regardless of who plays nose tackle, Johnny Manziel in the same breath as Brady and Ben at this point is laughable ... so, yes, I think you covered that.
Z
LOL - basterd!
We gotta get Manziel away from thinking about funnels, rolled up dollar bills and late night fanny floss before we can consider putting him in the same sentence as Brady. Right now the only thing they have in common right is Seymore Crack (the female kind).
The only thing he has in common with Big Ben is big feet. The difference here is reports don't reveal the little feller has to resort to serial rape or hiring crooked Five-O to allow him to play with kitty and titty.
Speaking of outrageous comparisons. True story. The first time I saw Johnny's Manziels, I wondered if Skippy had some kind of door to door sales job we never heard about in Texas a couple decades ago. I lost a mouth full of beer, hit the deck and got 2 minute abs laughing my ass contemplating the possibility. Mr Manziel goes out the front door; and immediately thereafter Skippy pulls up in a Charles Chips truck and comes in through the back door. He's got FatJeff as a guilty conscience consultant if he ever needs to hear "don't worry about it just buy her a t-shirt and all sins are resolved and forgotten." When I heard Manziel liked going to Vegas - it brought back memories of Skippy talking point spreads while we were getting our Saturday Night game faces on for the Flats. He had to sneak into the hallway to place side bets Hag2 wasn't allowed to know about. Classic stuff....
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Would you package the #19 pick and a second rounder for Shelton. Dude would would anchor the defense for a decade.
hey i love shelton too but we only have one second rounder so.......you'd trade 2 of our first 3 picks (19 and 43) for one player? you know what kind of talent lies in the area of those 3 picks? man we'd pass up on some great value for one guy. i don't like the idea when the WR/TE and DE/OLB positions will still need to be addressed and within that area, very good value is still available.
hey i love shelton too but we only have one second rounder so.......you'd trade 2 of our first 3 picks (19 and 43) for one player? you know what kind of talent lies in the area of those 3 picks? man we'd pass up on some great value for one guy. i don't like the idea when the WR/TE and DE/OLB positions will still need to be addressed and within that area, very good value is still available.
Shelton is my fave too; but thanks for putting this in the right context Mik.
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The player you could have picked in the second round, is worth the difference between
Goldman and Shelton?
I don't see it.
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No, but I went and did watch it. I admit, I don't know what I'm seeing. Goldman isn't as dominant against
the run ? Shelton isn't as quick off the snap? I don't see the difference that would warrant a trade up, that's all.
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Zombo said:
Can we talk about the Brady-Ben-Manziel part?
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Steeler fans can't talk intelligently about it. They think that the Steelers are good because their fans are superior. (another absolute myth). They don't seem to have a clue that the keys to their recent success have been the presence of a Hall of Fame caliber QB and a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator. They have now lost half of that combination.....but those assfucks think that they can just plug in another guy and they will be just as good. They don't have a clue as to how lucky they are to have taken a BR when they did. They are lucky because for what everything is worth....BR could have turned out to be no better than JMZ. His off field problems were worse than Johnnys. But he was good enough as a QB to overcome all that. Johnny very well may not be.
They think that they can just plug in another guy at DC....and eventually at QB and always be just as good. They are stupid that way.
They are ignorant of their own past. They went from 1982 to 2004 with some lousy QBs....Mark Malone , Bubby Brister, Tommy Maddox. They did pretty well with Neil O'Donnell. They are stupid to the fact that if BR went down again that the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones ain't going to replace him....and that they won't have LeBeau to dig them out of the fire.
The Browns have had a whole series of bad luck with their QBs. The Steelers have had one stroke of good luck....drafting BR....that has sustained them for a decade now. They think that it is their automatic right that that continue.
Patriot fans are probably equally as clueless. Tom Brady won't last forever....and BBs record without Brady at QB? 2 winning seasons, 5 losing seasons. While BB and TB have been a great combination, it is by no means proven that BB can win without Brady. He has not proven to me that he is the equivalent of a Tom Landry or Don Shula, or Joe Gibbs....that he can win with whomever he has had at QB.
BB has losing seasons with Bernie Kosar....and Todd Philcox, with Vinny, with Bledsoe. He had one winning season with Vinny and one with Matt Cassell. Without TB there should be no assumption that the team would be worth a shit just because BB is the coach.
(does that talk satisfy you?)
Who the hell is going to read all that? Did one single person on this board read that post in its entirety? I know we are lucky to have Ben and he's been a huge part of our success, just as Bradshaw was a big part of it. Just as Brady, Manning (even though he chokes) is a part of it.Steeler fans can't talk intelligently about it. They think that the Steelers are good because their fans are superior. (another absolute myth). They don't seem to have a clue that the keys to their recent success have been the presence of a Hall of Fame caliber QB and a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator. They have now lost half of that combination.....but those assfucks think that they can just plug in another guy and they will be just as good. They don't have a clue as to how lucky they are to have taken a BR when they did. They are lucky because for what everything is worth....BR could have turned out to be no better than JMZ. His off field problems were worse than Johnnys. But he was good enough as a QB to overcome all that. Johnny very well may not be.
They think that they can just plug in another guy at DC....and eventually at QB and always be just as good. They are stupid that way.
They are ignorant of their own past. They went from 1982 to 2004 with some lousy QBs....Mark Malone , Bubby Brister, Tommy Maddox. They did pretty well with Neil O'Donnell. They are stupid to the fact that if BR went down again that the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones ain't going to replace him....and that they won't have LeBeau to dig them out of the fire.
The Browns have had a whole series of bad luck with their QBs. The Steelers have had one stroke of good luck....drafting BR....that has sustained them for a decade now. They think that it is their automatic right that that continue.
Patriot fans are probably equally as clueless. Tom Brady won't last forever....and BBs record without Brady at QB? 2 winning seasons, 5 losing seasons. While BB and TB have been a great combination, it is by no means proven that BB can win without Brady. He has not proven to me that he is the equivalent of a Tom Landry or Don Shula, or Joe Gibbs....that he can win with whomever he has had at QB.
BB has losing seasons with Bernie Kosar....and Todd Philcox, with Vinny, with Bledsoe. He had one winning season with Vinny and one with Matt Cassell. Without TB there should be no assumption that the team would be worth a shit just because BB is the coach.
(does that talk satisfy you?)
Oh my god Gipper you are a modern day socrates. You mean FRANCHISE qbs have a dramatic impact on the win column?!? Call up Mike Mayock. You are ready for next years combine! I also don't expect a drop off with the promotion of butler. He's been under Lebeau for the entire time Lebeau was in Pittsburgh. I'm sure he didn't learn anything AT ALL during that time and the Steelers front office figured "Oh screw it, its time for the old man to go". You really aren't very smart. Please insert paragraphs next time. You ramble like a hobo on a night train bender.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Who the hell is going to read all that? Did one single person on this board read that post in its entirety? Vagwhiner
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I did, it would have been a bit tougher in the third grade, but what is your problem? The squealers have some
problems, and you squealer trolls who keep bragging about the past are certainly sounding sillier each year.
Not much of a retort - "waaaaaa - that's too much to read"..............really?.
Yes, your steriod team history - wr's who get open, and a defense with the right pieces, won some super bowls.
It's history. You're annoying. Congrats on your success with that. Gip does a nice job pretty much trying to keep you
from looking like too much of a twerp. I don't have his patience.
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