Dwayne Bowe is a Brown
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While I can't disagree with anything you have written I will add when it comes to making plays at this point in time Harvin is the bigger threat.
So, you cant disagree with my disagreement with what you said?.......then I agree...
Id also agree that Harvin is the WAY bigger threat..........(to his team).....
So, you cant disagree with my disagreement with what you said?.......then I agree...
Id also agree that Harvin is the WAY bigger threat..........(to his team).....
You weren't responding to me.
Harvin is a bigger threat than Bowe offensively, whether or not he lives up to that potential or causes more locker room problems is the question. To deny his talent is just being Brownish (a new term developed for the hardcore fan that believes everything Browns is right and everything that isn't is wrong)
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So, you cant disagree with my disagreement with what you said?.......then I agree...
Id also agree that Harvin is the WAY bigger threat..........(to his team).....
You weren't responding to me.
Harvin is a bigger threat than Bowe offensively, whether or not he lives up to that potential or causes more locker room problems is the question. To deny his talent is just being Brownish (a new term developed for the hardcore fan that believes everything Browns is right and everything that isn't is wrong)
You weren't responding to me.
Harvin is a bigger threat than Bowe offensively, whether or not he lives up to that potential or causes more locker room problems is the question. To deny his talent is just being Brownish (a new term developed for the hardcore fan that believes everything Browns is right and everything that isn't is wrong)
At what point does it stop being "potential"?
Brady Quinn has all the potential in the world. So does RG3. So did Ryan Leaf.
In my opinion, I would say that a person who's been in the league for multiple years and is going to his fourth team should probably stop being measured on potential and probably measured on his production.
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exactly how I see it too, TCPO......
Im not into "talent or potential", Im into proven production...and Bowe has a much more impressive and extensive history of it than Harvin does...
Also, the Browns needed a big physical receiver like Bowe, not another munchkin......Harvin just replicates Hawkins & Gabriel and we dont need yet another 5-8" burner type.....how does this add a new dimension to our corps?
And, with all the problems this team has experienced with drafting losers and head cases like JFF, Gordon and Edwards......why would we walk off that cliff again???.....especially for a guy who hasn't met his potential after 6 years in the league....????
So, I never said Harvin doesn't have talent(he might have boat loads of it).....just saying he doesn't use it enough.....and he's not the size/type/style of receiver this team was looking to add.....
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I hear you, Mud, but Austin filled the big WR bill last year and I just cannot see the added value in opting for Bowe.
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I hear you, Mud, but Austin filled the big WR bill last year and I just cannot see the added value in opting for Bowe.
I hear you, Mud, but Austin filled the big WR bill last year and I just cannot see the added value in opting for Bowe.
They look a lot the same to me too.....and I would've taken him back for sure......
Haven't heard a single peep about him either...retirement?...injured?...doesn't like the Browns?....Browns dont like him?
just dunno
But Harvin???.....hahaha.....no way.....
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You weren't responding to me.
Harvin is a bigger threat than Bowe offensively, whether or not he lives up to that potential or causes more locker room problems is the question. To deny his talent is just being Brownish (a new term developed for the hardcore fan that believes everything Browns is right and everything that isn't is wrong)
At what point does it stop being "potential"?
Brady Quinn has all the potential in the world. So does RG3. So did Ryan Leaf.
In my opinion, I would say that a person who's been in the league for multiple years and is going to his fourth team should probably stop being measured on potential and probably measured on his production.
At what point does it stop being "potential"?
Brady Quinn has all the potential in the world. So does RG3. So did Ryan Leaf.
In my opinion, I would say that a person who's been in the league for multiple years and is going to his fourth team should probably stop being measured on potential and probably measured on his production.
Well at 11.5 YPC and 6.5 YPR he's had production
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I hear you, Mud, but Austin filled the big WR bill last year and I just cannot see the added value in opting for Bowe.
I hear you, Mud, but Austin filled the big WR bill last year and I just cannot see the added value in opting for Bowe.
Austin was a very necessary part of the offense last year. Hartline (or Bowe) will fill that void caused by Austin's departure.
Bowe's value, to me, lies more in his experience than in his potential. He's not going to be bringing down 100 receptions for 1,500 yards. He's not going to be a Pro Bowl receiver. He's not going to bring down 15 TD's.
However, he has experience and he's a solid veteran. The "player coach" aspect may be a bit overplayed here as of late, but Bowe brings something to the table - Pro Bowl experience as a #1 receiver in the NFL. Bowe will make tough catches, a la Austin. Bowe won't break off a route before the first down marker on third down. Bowe will recognize when defense floats cloud over his side of the field. These aspects are equally as important.
A lot of the people shitting over signing Bowe are the same ones who were shitting over us NOT signing Revis. In my opinion, this is a much smarter football move. There was a clear deficit at WR, much more than at CB, and we signed a solid veteran who is just about the same age for a contract MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper.
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At what point does it stop being "potential"?
Brady Quinn has all the potential in the world. So does RG3. So did Ryan Leaf.
In my opinion, I would say that a person who's been in the league for multiple years and is going to his fourth team should probably stop being measured on potential and probably measured on his production.
Well at 11.5 YPC and 6.5 YPR he's had production
Yeah, his 500 receiving yards over the last two seasons combined sure are a ringing endorsement of his talent.Well at 11.5 YPC and 6.5 YPR he's had production
He's played a full season exactly once in his six years in the league. He's on his fourth team. Sure, we can talk about his potential all day. We can also talk about how he's a pussy, an asshole and can't withstand the rigors of a full NFL season.
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exactly how I see it too, TCPO......
Im not into "talent or potential", Im into proven production...and Bowe has a much more impressive and extensive history of it than Harvin does...
Also, the Browns needed a big physical receiver like Bowe, not another munchkin......Harvin just replicates Hawkins & Gabriel and we dont need yet another 5-8" burner type.....how does this add a new dimension to our corps?
And, with all the problems this team has experienced with drafting losers and head cases like JFF, Gordon and Edwards......why would we walk off that cliff again???.....especially for a guy who hasn't met his potential after 6 years in the league....????
So, I never said Harvin doesn't have talent(he might have boat loads of it).....just saying he doesn't use it enough.....and he's not the size/type/style of receiver this team was looking to add.....
exactly how I see it too, TCPO......
Im not into "talent or potential", Im into proven production...and Bowe has a much more impressive and extensive history of it than Harvin does...
Also, the Browns needed a big physical receiver like Bowe, not another munchkin......Harvin just replicates Hawkins & Gabriel and we dont need yet another 5-8" burner type.....how does this add a new dimension to our corps?
And, with all the problems this team has experienced with drafting losers and head cases like JFF, Gordon and Edwards......why would we walk off that cliff again???.....especially for a guy who hasn't met his potential after 6 years in the league....????
So, I never said Harvin doesn't have talent(he might have boat loads of it).....just saying he doesn't use it enough.....and he's not the size/type/style of receiver this team was looking to add.....
Mud again I'm not disagreeing with who is a better fit for the Browns. Just saying if you are evaluating talent Harvin has more than Bowe. I just when you made the comment that Harvin was a way bigger threat to his team you were saying that his talent wasn't there, i know I shouldn't assume anything, my bad on that.
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Yeah, his 500 receiving yards over the last two seasons combined sure are a ringing endorsement of his talent.Well at 11.5 YPC and 6.5 YPR he's had production
He's played a full season exactly once in his six years in the league. He's on his fourth team. Sure, we can talk about his potential all day. We can also talk about how he's a pussy, an asshole and can't withstand the rigors of a full NFL season.
Yeah, his 500 receiving yards over the last two seasons combined sure are a ringing endorsement of his talent.
He played 1 game in 2013. Injuries are surely another issue with Percy but let's not be ignorant fans, Harvin isn't being targeted as much as a traditional WR and we he is he produces traditional yards.
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So, you cant disagree with my disagreement with what you said?.......then I agree...
Id also agree that Harvin is the WAY bigger threat..........(to his team).....
You weren't responding to me.
Harvin is a bigger threat than Bowe offensively, whether or not he lives up to that potential or causes more locker room problems is the question. To deny his talent is just being Brownish (a new term developed for the hardcore fan that believes everything Browns is right and everything that isn't is wrong)
You weren't responding to me.
Im sorry, my bad.....I actually thought I was.....(based upon your avatar, you 2 could be twins)
Mud again I'm not disagreeing with who is a better fit for the Browns. Just saying if you are evaluating talent Harvin has more than Bowe. I just when you made the comment that Harvin was a way bigger threat to his team you were saying that his talent wasn't there, i know I shouldn't assume anything, my bad on that.
And, to clarify, Im not debating Harvins potential or his talent.....I was simply replying to Unsypathetic(see, I got it right this time) who said Harvin would have been a better pick up for the Browns....period.
And I also was trying to protect Bowe....a little, I admit.....because there were comments like "he's terrible".....and "all he does is drop balls".....and "not run his routes"......and he would "slack off now that he has a contract".....
Which is all a bunch of fiction coming from someone who "apparently" has no clue......so I apologize for thinking it was you.....
Harvin has talent......but Im glad he's using it elsewhere....and would prefer to have Bowes "experience and maturity and professionalism"....all day every day......
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I hear you, Mud, but Austin filled the big WR bill last year and I just cannot see the added value in opting for Bowe.
Austin was a very necessary part of the offense last year. Hartline (or Bowe) will fill that void caused by Austin's departure.
Bowe's value, to me, lies more in his experience than in his potential. He's not going to be bringing down 100 receptions for 1,500 yards. He's not going to be a Pro Bowl receiver. He's not going to bring down 15 TD's.
However, he has experience and he's a solid veteran. The "player coach" aspect may be a bit overplayed here as of late, but Bowe brings something to the table - Pro Bowl experience as a #1 receiver in the NFL. Bowe will make tough catches, a la Austin. Bowe won't break off a route before the first down marker on third down. Bowe will recognize when defense floats cloud over his side of the field. These aspects are equally as important.
A lot of the people shitting over signing Bowe are the same ones who were shitting over us NOT signing Revis. In my opinion, this is a much smarter football move. There was a clear deficit at WR, much more than at CB, and we signed a solid veteran who is just about the same age for a contract MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper.
A lot of the people shitting over signing Bowe are the same ones who were shitting over us NOT signing Revis. In my opinion, this is a much smarter football move. There was a clear deficit at WR, much more than at CB, and we signed a solid veteran who is just about the same age for a contract MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper.
Revis, like Suh, was one of this FA season's "bright, shiny objects". He was always going to attract unwarranted desire regardless of practicality. I get that.
My reaction to Bowe is owed to some elevating him to nearly Revis/ Suh desirability. It seems to me to be a continuation of being overhyped from the time he entered the league. "Solid vet" is not a characterization with which I take issue, but he seems pricey and a poor value vs. other options.
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You weren't responding to me.
Im sorry, my bad.....I actually thought I was.....(based upon your avatar, you 2 could be twins)
Mud again I'm not disagreeing with who is a better fit for the Browns. Just saying if you are evaluating talent Harvin has more than Bowe. I just when you made the comment that Harvin was a way bigger threat to his team you were saying that his talent wasn't there, i know I shouldn't assume anything, my bad on that.
And, to clarify, Im not debating Harvins potential or his talent.....I was simply replying to Unsypathetic(see, I got it right this time) who said Harvin would have been a better pick up for the Browns....period.
And I also was trying to protect Bowe....a little, I admit.....because there were comments like "he's terrible".....and "all he does is drop balls".....and "not run his routes"......and he would "slack off now that he has a contract".....
Which is all a bunch of fiction coming from someone who "apparently" has no clue......so I apologize for thinking it was you.....
Harvin has talent......but Im glad he's using it elsewhere....and would prefer to have Bowes "experience and maturity and professionalism"....all day every day......
Im sorry, my bad.....I actually thought I was.....(based upon your avatar, you 2 could be twins)
And, to clarify, Im not debating Harvins potential or his talent.....I was simply replying to Unsypathetic(see, I got it right this time) who said Harvin would have been a better pick up for the Browns....period.
And I also was trying to protect Bowe....a little, I admit.....because there were comments like "he's terrible".....and "all he does is drop balls".....and "not run his routes"......and he would "slack off now that he has a contract".....
Which is all a bunch of fiction coming from someone who "apparently" has no clue......so I apologize for thinking it was you.....
Harvin has talent......but Im glad he's using it elsewhere....and would prefer to have Bowes "experience and maturity and professionalism"....all day every day......
Agreed on all counts!
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A lot of the people shitting over signing Bowe are the same ones who were shitting over us NOT signing Revis. In my opinion, this is a much smarter football move. There was a clear deficit at WR, much more than at CB, and we signed a solid veteran who is just about the same age for a contract MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper.
Revis, like Suh, was one of this FA season's "bright, shiny objects". He was always going to attract unwarranted desire regardless of practicality. I get that.
My reaction to Bowe is owed to some elevating him to nearly Revis/ Suh desirability. It seems to me to be a continuation of being overhyped from the time he entered the league. "Solid vet" is not a characterization with which I take issue, but he seems pricey and a poor value vs. other options.
Revis, like Suh, was one of this FA season's "bright, shiny objects". He was always going to attract unwarranted desire regardless of practicality. I get that.
My reaction to Bowe is owed to some elevating him to nearly Revis/ Suh desirability. It seems to me to be a continuation of being overhyped from the time he entered the league. "Solid vet" is not a characterization with which I take issue, but he seems pricey and a poor value vs. other options.
I'm with you on Bowe and would toss in Hartline. Don't hate either one, think they are solid vets, but I don't think that two possession receivers being thrown to by a below average QB really make a huge difference. I have made no bones that I'd like to see a hard nose D in Cleveland and taking a one year chance on Terrence Knighton and even a Ray Mcdonald may have been a bigger risk but a much bigger reward.
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