Breshard Perriman's Stock is Rising
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Based on the WR's we already have, speed isnt my main concern.....simply put, I want a great big strong long receiver who's gonna out muscle the DB's for position....go up and after the ball.....and fucking make it his. ...own it.....and I see 2 or 3 guys that fit the bill
White....Green-Beckham....Parker...after these 3, Im kind of "eh" on the rest.......
also, as a general rule, I tend to avoid late risers and combine sweethearts that suddenly skyrocket because of a workout...
While I completely agree with you about late risers, I don't put Perriman there after he put up really good numbers for just his 3rd year in the program. He was already being mentioned as a first round prospect the day I first posted about him in the Kevin White thread back before the combines by NFL Draft Analysts. More specially, that was well before anyone knew what kind of 40 time he'd post. I had nothing to do with all that, I was just being the mail man and giving yuz all my Cliff Clavin interpretation on it. How much is he really climbing? I think we're talking a few draft slots rather than leapfrogging rounds.
This true junior is being compared with a lot of seniors. But here's an apples to apples of his stats up against top rated WRs in his draft class when they were true juniors beginning with Breshad first:
Perriman 2014: 10 starts 50 rec 1044 yds 20.9 ypc 9 TD
White 2013: 9 starts 35 rec 507 yds 14.5 ypc 5 TD
Parker 2013: 12 starts 55 rec 885 yds 16.1 ypc 12 TD
Cooper 2014: 14 starts 124 rec 1727 yds 13.9 ypc 16 TD (this is the only guy that kicks his ass numbers wise)
In a world where they draft what's projected ahead - I like this kid's chances as well as any of the WRs.
We have possession receivers and slot receivers; but we're still awaiting the dynamic of a fear gear over the top that can open the underneath. This guy has 20.9 yards per catch saying he's up to it in my opinion.
The guy I'm worried about us going late riser on for round 1 is Bryce Petty. The late riser sting usually seems most abundant with QBs like: Jamarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, JP's Lostman, Brandon Weeden, Patrick Ramsey, Heath Shuler, EJ Manuel, Akili Smith.Jake Locker, David Carr,. Disappointing supplies for a BIG demand doesn't change a tiger's stripes; but some teams continue to think they're gonna change em anyway...
While I completely agree with you about late risers, I don't put Perriman there after he put up really good numbers for just his 3rd year in the program. He was already being mentioned as a first round prospect the day I first posted about him in the Kevin White thread back before the combines by NFL Draft Analysts. More specially, that was well before anyone knew what kind of 40 time he'd post. I had nothing to do with all that, I was just being the mail man and giving yuz all my Cliff Clavin interpretation on it. How much is he really climbing? I think we're talking a few draft slots rather than leapfrogging rounds.
This true junior is being compared with a lot of seniors. But here's an apples to apples of his stats up against top rated WRs in his draft class when they were true juniors beginning with Breshad first:
Perriman 2014: 10 starts 50 rec 1044 yds 20.9 ypc 9 TD
White 2013: 9 starts 35 rec 507 yds 14.5 ypc 5 TD
Parker 2013: 12 starts 55 rec 885 yds 16.1 ypc 12 TD
Cooper 2014: 14 starts 124 rec 1727 yds 13.9 ypc 16 TD (this is the only guy that kicks his ass numbers wise)
In a world where they draft what's projected ahead - I like this kid's chances as well as any of the WRs.
We have possession receivers and slot receivers; but we're still awaiting the dynamic of a fear gear over the top that can open the underneath. This guy has 20.9 yards per catch saying he's up to it in my opinion.
The guy I'm worried about us going late riser on for round 1 is Bryce Petty. The late riser sting usually seems most abundant with QBs like: Jamarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, JP's Lostman, Brandon Weeden, Patrick Ramsey, Heath Shuler, EJ Manuel, Akili Smith.Jake Locker, David Carr,. Disappointing supplies for a BIG demand doesn't change a tiger's stripes; but some teams continue to think they're gonna change em anyway...
Gotta say I dont hate Perriman and there are certainly scenarios where Id pick him......but they come much later than the first....
And, yes, Ive seen him mocked by a few in the late first round. So, maybe he's not rising from nowhere, but he is still rising fast based solely on a 40 yard dash time....
My main beef with him(and many of the other "good" receivers in this draft) is that he doesn't meet the style of receiver I believe this team needs.....which is big, physical and aggressive......thats all....
But I do like a deep threat, so if he was gonna be there in the 3rd, Id pick him in a second(Devon Smith too).....but wouldn't take either inside our first 3 picks...........
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That's how I remember Little as well...
As for Perriman... Just can't get all that excited over a hand timed 40. There's a reason scouts clocked the same run anywhere from 4.19 to 4.27. Even the high end is probably up to a tenth too low. Plus I've yet to see his shuttle and 3-cone times
In other words, the absolute worst case scenario is a JUNIOR that's 6-3 & 215 lbs only runs a 4.37 with 9 TD receptions and 20.8 yds per catch on his resume. Meatball on spaghetti, how the Hell do the Buster Skrines of this league PRESS a guy with that build with any luck whatsoever? They better bring their Rosaries or pretend they're good little Christians that left their bling at home. It SURE would have been nice to see him around when our 2nd round pick comes up but that's not happening now. Someone in the bottom quarter of round 1 will add him to their playoff roster. Looking at the highlights Woody was kind enough to share for us - Perriman outruns a lot of corners that thought they had ideal pursuit angles on him. It's also good to see him catching all those underthrows after he's gotten behind the secondary. I'm sure he'd welcome a QB that throws guys open like a Tom Brady. FWIW, when Julio Jones played his final season at Bama - he still had a lot of critics holding him hostage to too many dropped passes (which were more pertinent to his first seasons than his final season). Is this possibly a similar scenario with Perriman? It sure seems like the people that have the MOST access to film and get paid for their analysis (ie: Cosell, Mayock, McShay and Kiper) have been impressed enough to mention him with round 1 consideration even before his 40 time. That's not to say they can't be wrong or fooled by the Trent Richardsons of the more allegedly "proven" prospects out there. They continue to learn like we do - you don't draft rear view mirror. You draft upside unfolding, which seems to be pertinent with Perriman IMO. There's a multiplicity of positives that I find compelling from the body frame to the TD volume to the avg yards per catch to the speed that dictates easier matchups for teammates to the steady improvement each year.
Meeting us where we're at today. We have a STRONG running game especially with Mack at Center where our biggest opponent moving forward could remain predictability/exclusive to the running game inside the red zone. We added some very respectable possession WRs that have put up their BEST stats in the past when the other side of formation had a fear gear to ease their matchups. A former Mizzou starter/avid Chiefs fan today that works with me had this to say about Bowe. This guy can STILL play especially if you put SPEED on the other side of formation to purge out congestion underneathe. He's GREAT in traffic. He also told me a lot of times Alex Smith is reluctant to throw to guys that have ideal body positioning for doable completions on routes they're reasonably well covered due in large to his early career snake bite with INTs. He felt that and no perimeter speed impacted Bowe's numbers the most. Meanwhile, whether Mike Wallace was a bad choice or a horrible choice in Miami - Brian Hartline became a beneficiary of the threat of Wallace's foot speed over the top with 76 rec 1016 yards and 4 TDs in 2013. Both are solid FA pickups that can be TERRIFIC choices if we exercise our option to add an X-factor outside. There should be one game changing WR on our doorstep in our 2nd or 3rd pick (AFTER we take Shelton at #12). Why make this impossible in a draft volume of 10?
There's 2 dynamics that speed and size on the perimeter can help. It can make our red zone RUNNING GAME even more difficult to matchup while our opponent has to play pick your poison instead of showing up well prepared for only dimension. If pre-snap looks like they're loading up to stop the run, unlike the Seattle Seahawks you throw a fade to your tall target rather than slanting him into where all the traffic welcomes the slant. Our # of TD receptions in 2014 isn't lying to us and I'll be the first to admit Hoyer had some underthrows on WRs that had beats secondaries by at least an area code. In 2007, our QB situation was Charlie Frye, an allegedly "pro ready" Brady Quinn, and Derek Anderson. Week 1 was a trainwreck via Frye. But week 2 showed us we were about to embark on 29 TD passes from a QB ultimately destined to be a career backup. Our running game and size on the perimeter had synergistic effect on our running game and passing game. Keep in mind, we got 1300 rush yards out of Lewis while Braylon Edwards gave us 16 TD receptions in a season we won 10 games. I previously shared in another thread that Joe J and Edwards gave us a killer good volume of receptions that gave us 1st downs. I think our 2015 QB situation is pretty close to our 2007 situation where making this an easier offense to QB is a worthwhile effort while the supply of football messiahs at QB coming out seems pretty disappointing in 2015. It would be nice to set our gridiron chess table with a red zone perimeter that defenses have to take a lot more serious than our 2014 Smurf Tech. In the second half of the season, red zone defenses began to load up vrs the run while our passing game posed ZERO threat of scoring. Bowe/Hartline are a step in the right direction; BUT if we add a go to guy Bowe/Hartline can have a Joe Jurevicius effect that made Braylon a good beneficiary in 2007. Clearly, this doesn't have to be just be Perriman. That was originally a round 2 steal hope that is dead, buried and moot today. Kevin White was my favorite WR; but he's probably off the board by our #19 slot.
Sorry for the length; but my original post was short. Having said that, there was quite a bit of concern to address so I thought I'd do my best to bring a bigger picture overall as to why I once found him intriguing to our situation in round 2. I've never wavered from Shelton at #12; but I gotta admit I'm having trouble with #19 and our second round pick. It's like going grocery shopping when you're hungry. Everything looks all kinds of gotta havesies. I'm feeling like we need to go WR or TE Maxx Williams at #19; but I'd certainly understand if we went outside pass rusher/OLBer. If Parker and White are already gone - I'm wondering just how much of a drop off Perriman is from either. I don't want the Josh Gordon Part II kid from Mizzou; but I'd be open Jaelen Strong in round 2 if we went outside pass rusher at #19 and he can last that long. Bowie has started at 3 different oline positions for a SB Champion in 9 fillin starts so my guess is we can use some of our remaining 7 picks after round 2 on oline and front 7 without feeling like 1 WR choice ruins any such opportunities. We're in a great situation even if the poster boy for shoot breath and taking groinal inventory (Roger Goodfella) dresses up in his 14 karat knee pads for Rooney to erase a late round pick.
In other words, the absolute worst case scenario is a JUNIOR that's 6-3 & 215 lbs only runs a 4.37 with 9 TD receptions and 20.8 yds per catch on his resume.
Typing is a hobby with you isn't it?
You love Perriman... he's your guy. Great. All I meant was straight ahead speed in a WR is not everything... even if it comes with size.
And, yes, Ive seen him mocked by a few in the late first round. So, maybe he's not rising from nowhere, but he is still rising fast based solely on a 40 yard dash time....
To put it mildly... He'd plateaued at an FRX of around 47 but has risen to 39.3 since his pro day.
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And who could ever forget this one?
There's 2 different versions of Braylon Edwards we got introduced to. There's the distracted one perfectly epitomized in the picture when football wasn't a top priority. Then there was the one on a mission to prove that his 2nd year post knee surgery could get back to the form that made him a 3rd overall pick capable of contributing 16 TD receptions to our only double digit win season this side of 1999.
Like Josh Gordon, what comes after proving how talented you can be on the football field at the NFL level? Where does football rank on the priority list? We know the answer in both cases so we don't we need to stay away from the Green-Beckham types. There's franchises and front offices that do a good job in researching work ethics, off the field stuff and other things dating all the way back to high school with many prospects. I don't know what we've have had for criteria here all these years our front office ranked at the bottom of our division drafting. I have a good feeling about Farmer.
At one of the college award presentation shows, Amari Cooper's mom and Nick Saban we're saying it was killing Amari that he couldn't workout in his normal routine that weekend. I get the sense, this is the type of horse an NFL team can feel good about betting on come draft day.
Anyone remember the QB that would only get drafted somewhere in the 20s by the team already frequenting posts seasons with Brett Favre? That could have been REALLY nice if our front office knew who that QB was and traded down to land him along with additional picks. It's OKAY if we as fans don't get that right; BUT when your plan at QB was going to end up counting on Charlie Frye as the starter - it would have also been nice to know who would have been the better guy to bet on here between and the QB in Green Bay with the precision to throw WRs open. That was a nice opportunity for Savage to prove he was more than just a Dunkin Do Nots fetcher for Ozzie once upon a time.
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In other words, the absolute worst case scenario is a JUNIOR that's 6-3 & 215 lbs only runs a 4.37 with 9 TD receptions and 20.8 yds per catch on his resume.
Typing is a hobby with you isn't it?
You love Perriman... he's your guy. Great. All I meant was straight ahead speed in a WR is not everything... even if it comes with size.
And, yes, Ive seen him mocked by a few in the late first round. So, maybe he's not rising from nowhere, but he is still rising fast based solely on a 40 yard dash time....
To put it mildly... He'd plateaued at an FRX of around 47 but has risen to 39.3 since his pro day.
Typing is a hobby with you isn't it?
You love Perriman... he's your guy. Great. All I meant was straight ahead speed in a WR is not everything... even if it comes with size.
Yeah, check out how much I love type during a 50-60 hour work week Tour. In fact, why don't you go check the length of my initial post in this thread before Perriman went on trial for impersonating Greg Little. He was never my favorite WR in this draft. It's been an on-going tossup between White and Cooper. He was just one of the Mayock Top 5 I felt we had the best chance of landing. Once upon a time that felt like it could have been in round 2. I never saw Kevin White or Amari Cooper lasting as far as 12 so I rarely mention either. Parker might not either; but I'd prefer Shelton to parker or Parriman at 12. I'm starting to think I'd consider Perriman at #19 or via trade back.
My need for speed as it applies to WR Corps is it can be on the other side of formation to possession Receiver types like Bowe and Hartline that make them better underneath.
I shared this true junior's stats, comments from Mayock and someone else shared a video. He just wasn't your idea or your thesis so you're getting snippy here when I asked how much a cone drill was going to matter with all that's been put on his junior resume as well as his gears and size. Saying you're holding out for a cone drill is nitpicking and you know that.
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Typing is a hobby with you isn't it?
You love Perriman... he's your guy. Great. All I meant was straight ahead speed in a WR is not everything... even if it comes with size.
Yeah, check out how much I love type during a 50-60 hour work week Tour. In fact, why don't you go check the length of my initial post in this thread before Perriman went on trial for impersonating Greg Little. He was never my favorite WR in this draft. It's been an on-going tossup between White and Cooper. He was just one of the Mayock Top 5 I felt we had the best chance of landing. Once upon a time that felt like it could have been in round 2. I never saw Kevin White or Amari Cooper lasting as far as 12 so I rarely mention either. Parker might not either; but I'd prefer Shelton to parker or Parriman at 12. I'm starting to think I'd consider Perriman at #19 or via trade back.
My need for speed as it applies to WR Corps is it can be on the other side of formation to possession Receiver types like Bowe and Hartline that make them better underneath.
I shared this true junior's stats, comments from Mayock and someone else shared a video. He just wasn't your idea or your thesis so you're getting snippy here when I asked how much a cone drill was going to matter with all that's been put on his junior resume as well as his gears and size. Saying you're holding out for a cone drill is nitpicking and you know that.
In fact, why don't you go check the length of my initial post in this thread before Perriman went on trial for impersonating Greg Little. He was never my favorite WR in this draft.
OK... not your fav. Just was your secret "hope he gets to round 2 so we can steal him" guy. Obviously there's a little pride of ownership there that I stepped on. Did not mean to unduly, just meant register a restrained opinion.
As for the 3-cone and other drills... No, not nitpicking at all. Just because I make a short post does not mean it's "snippy". It means my point was made, or at least I thought it was, and since I suck at typing I'd no reason to continue.
But since my point was not communicated...
When I see a player comes out of a conference like the AAC, where the competition level is not what it is in other Div 1 conferences, then for me it is even more important that his "stats" be validated.
My first step in that process is to review his measurables... all his measurables... preferably as taken at the Combine. Why? Because it's easy. It's efficient. If you tell me that the WR in question runs a blazing fast 40, then that makes the drill times even more important, not less.
I place zero weight on his (redshirt) Junior status.
If I am still curious/ interested, then I'd look at the player's game stats for the schedule played. Who'd he do well against? Did anyone shut him down? If so, who?
Best games:
07 2014-10-25 Central Florida v Temple W 7 146 20.9 1
12 2014-12-04 Central Florida @ East Carolina W 4 139 34.8 1
13 2014-12-26 Central Florida N NC State L 9 138 15.3 0
Worst games:
02 2014-09-13 Central Florida @ Missouri L 2 27 13.5 0
08 2014-11-01 Central Florida @ Connecticut L 2 43 21.5 1
10 2014-11-22 Central Florida v SMU W 2 43 21.5 1
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/breshad-perriman-1/gamelog/2014/
Look to be good efforts vs. a couple good teams, but poor outings vs. some better ones. In the above I'd dig into other game stats and tape, if available. One I'm most curious about is the loss to Connecticut. Could be weather... but also could be Byron Jones.
But since I have yet to see the other measureables... it can wait.
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While I completely agree with you about late risers, I don't put Perriman there after he put up really good numbers for just his 3rd year in the program. He was already being mentioned as a first round prospect the day I first posted about him in the Kevin White thread back before the combines by NFL Draft Analysts. More specially, that was well before anyone knew what kind of 40 time he'd post. I had nothing to do with all that, I was just being the mail man and giving yuz all my Cliff Clavin interpretation on it. How much is he really climbing? I think we're talking a few draft slots rather than leapfrogging rounds.
This true junior is being compared with a lot of seniors. But here's an apples to apples of his stats up against top rated WRs in his draft class when they were true juniors beginning with Breshad first:
Perriman 2014: 10 starts 50 rec 1044 yds 20.9 ypc 9 TD
White 2013: 9 starts 35 rec 507 yds 14.5 ypc 5 TD
Parker 2013: 12 starts 55 rec 885 yds 16.1 ypc 12 TD
Cooper 2014: 14 starts 124 rec 1727 yds 13.9 ypc 16 TD (this is the only guy that kicks his ass numbers wise)
In a world where they draft what's projected ahead - I like this kid's chances as well as any of the WRs.
We have possession receivers and slot receivers; but we're still awaiting the dynamic of a fear gear over the top that can open the underneath. This guy has 20.9 yards per catch saying he's up to it in my opinion.
The guy I'm worried about us going late riser on for round 1 is Bryce Petty. The late riser sting usually seems most abundant with QBs like: Jamarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, JP's Lostman, Brandon Weeden, Patrick Ramsey, Heath Shuler, EJ Manuel, Akili Smith.Jake Locker, David Carr,. Disappointing supplies for a BIG demand doesn't change a tiger's stripes; but some teams continue to think they're gonna change em anyway...
Gotta say I dont hate Perriman and there are certainly scenarios where Id pick him......but they come much later than the first....
And, yes, Ive seen him mocked by a few in the late first round. So, maybe he's not rising from nowhere, but he is still rising fast based solely on a 40 yard dash time....
My main beef with him(and many of the other "good" receivers in this draft) is that he doesn't meet the style of receiver I believe this team needs.....which is big, physical and aggressive......thats all....
But I do like a deep threat, so if he was gonna be there in the 3rd, Id pick him in a second(Devon Smith too).....but wouldn't take either inside our first 3 picks...........
Gotta say I dont hate Perriman and there are certainly scenarios where Id pick him......but they come much later than the first....
And, yes, Ive seen him mocked by a few in the late first round. So, maybe he's not rising from nowhere, but he is still rising fast based solely on a 40 yard dash time....
My main beef with him(and many of the other "good" receivers in this draft) is that he doesn't meet the style of receiver I believe this team needs.....which is big, physical and aggressive......thats all....
But I do like a deep threat, so if he was gonna be there in the 3rd, Id pick him in a second(Devon Smith too).....but wouldn't take either inside our first 3 picks...........
Fair enough. I probably don't show this but I don't mind disagreeing with people especially when they do a nice job of showing me where they're coming from. It would be boring if we all agreed on everything.
40 times have always pushed people up in the nature of this beast. I remember Courtney Brown solidifying a number 1 overall draft status with his 40 time. Way back then, I was zeroing in more on Michigan's game plan to run at him rather than feeding his strength of backside clap downs for losses wheen many reach blocking schemes toward playside left him unblocked/unhinged altogether. Michigan chose to run right at Brown for positive yardage and long extended scoring drives that kept their defense off the field. Not much different than the NY Giants going at Bruce Smith's upfield moves off Jumbo Elliott's fanny for SB record long scoring drives of 11 minutes and 13 minutes in one of the rare times anybody has owned Bruce. To me that, that Michigan matchup foreshadowed what was going to occur at the NFL level with Courtney. It wasn't the injuries that held him back as much as it was the offense knowing where he's vulnerable up against where he can be dangerous. They didn't help but I had a body of work to go by. The ONLY time Courney looked like a 1st overall pick was when he faced a backup Tackle for Pittsburgh with the former Ohio State QB Graham holding onto the ball forever. We got 3 sacks. The reality was we never got our Pro Bowl pass rush until Jamir Miller replaced Courtney Brown with a hand down and the difference was huge.
When there's speed at the WR position, teams/OCs feel like they can dictate where they want the Safety to be when they're planning their passes for specific situations. While Mike Wallace was a disappointment in Miami, the results of Brian Hartline benefitting from what Wallace's speed did to his matchups wasn't disappointing at all. That's my intrigue along with thinking this guy will be on our doorstep after we've added Shelton.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
In fact, why don't you go check the length of my initial post in this thread before Perriman went on trial for impersonating Greg Little. He was never my favorite WR in this draft.
OK... not your fav. Just was your secret "hope he gets to round 2 so we can steal him" guy. Obviously there's a little pride of ownership there that I stepped on. Did not mean to unduly, just meant register a restrained opinion.
As for the 3-cone and other drills... No, not nitpicking at all. Just because I make a short post does not mean it's "snippy". It means my point was made, or at least I thought it was, and since I suck at typing I'd no reason to continue.
But since my point was not communicated...
When I see a player comes out of a conference like the AAC, where the competition level is not what it is in other Div 1 conferences, then for me it is even more important that his "stats" be validated.
My first step in that process is to review his measurables... all his measurables... preferably as taken at the Combine. Why? Because it's easy. It's efficient. If you tell me that the WR in question runs a blazing fast 40, then that makes the drill times even more important, not less.
I place zero weight on his (redshirt) Junior status.
If I am still curious/ interested, then I'd look at the player's game stats for the schedule played. Who'd he do well against? Did anyone shut him down? If so, who?
Best games:
07 2014-10-25 Central Florida v Temple W 7 146 20.9 1
12 2014-12-04 Central Florida @ East Carolina W 4 139 34.8 1
13 2014-12-26 Central Florida N NC State L 9 138 15.3 0
Worst games:
02 2014-09-13 Central Florida @ Missouri L 2 27 13.5 0
08 2014-11-01 Central Florida @ Connecticut L 2 43 21.5 1
10 2014-11-22 Central Florida v SMU W 2 43 21.5 1
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/breshad-perriman-1/gamelog/2014/
Look to be good efforts vs. a couple good teams, but poor outings vs. some better ones. In the above I'd dig into other game stats and tape, if available. One I'm most curious about is the loss to Connecticut. Could be weather... but also could be Byron Jones.
But since I have yet to see the other measureables... it can wait.
I did... but had to take a siesta halfway through it...
LOL! Bastard! Just for that, you need another nap. Here it is that epic long post you complained about:
So much for me thinking we can snag Perriman in round 2 - here's a quick tidbit about the day he had yesterday: The big story Wednesday on the Pro Day circuit was unquestionably the blazing 40-yard dash put up by Central Florida wideout Breshad Perriman, a fringe first round prospect who may have successfully run into the top 32 selections by clocking in at roughly 4.25 seconds in the all-important drill.
Suffice it to say - he can jet.
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Gotta say I dont hate Perriman and there are certainly scenarios where Id pick him......but they come much later than the first....
And, yes, Ive seen him mocked by a few in the late first round. So, maybe he's not rising from nowhere, but he is still rising fast based solely on a 40 yard dash time....
My main beef with him(and many of the other "good" receivers in this draft) is that he doesn't meet the style of receiver I believe this team needs.....which is big, physical and aggressive......thats all....
But I do like a deep threat, so if he was gonna be there in the 3rd, Id pick him in a second(Devon Smith too).....but wouldn't take either inside our first 3 picks...........
Fair enough. I probably don't show this but I don't mind disagreeing with people especially when they do a nice job of showing me where they're coming from. It would be boring if we all agreed on everything.
40 times have always pushed people up in the nature of this beast. I remember Courtney Brown solidifying a number 1 overall draft status with his 40 time. Way back then, I was zeroing in more on Michigan's game plan to run at him rather than feeding his strength of backside clap downs for losses wheen many reach blocking schemes toward playside left him unblocked/unhinged altogether. Michigan chose to run right at Brown for positive yardage and long extended scoring drives that kept their defense off the field. Not much different than the NY Giants going at Bruce Smith's upfield moves off Jumbo Elliott's fanny for SB record long scoring drives of 11 minutes and 13 minutes in one of the rare times anybody has owned Bruce. To me that, that Michigan matchup foreshadowed what was going to occur at the NFL level with Courtney. It wasn't the injuries that held him back as much as it was the offense knowing where he's vulnerable up against where he can be dangerous. They didn't help but I had a body of work to go by. The ONLY time Courney looked like a 1st overall pick was when he faced a backup Tackle for Pittsburgh with the former Ohio State QB Graham holding onto the ball forever. We got 3 sacks. The reality was we never got our Pro Bowl pass rush until Jamir Miller replaced Courtney Brown with a hand down and the difference was huge.
When there's speed at the WR position, teams/OCs feel like they can dictate where they want the Safety to be when they're planning their passes for specific situations. While Mike Wallace was a disappointment in Miami, the results of Brian Hartline benefitting from what Wallace's speed did to his matchups wasn't disappointing at all. That's my intrigue along with thinking this guy will be on our doorstep after we've added Shelton.
Fair enough. me where they're coming from. It would be boring if we all agreed on everything.
That's my intrigue along with thinking this guy will be on our doorstep after we've added Shelton.
I agree its good to disagree because constant agreement, while agreeable, is boring....ageed?
And though Id be surprised to see a WR in the first, if there's gonna be one, Im thinking Farmer has eyes for DeVante Parker...
Considering he says he doesn't "value" wr as much as other positions, Farmer has been down to Louisville AND also had DeVante come here for a private workout.......which seems like a lot of interest if yer askin me.....
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Fair enough. me where they're coming from. It would be boring if we all agreed on everything.
That's my intrigue along with thinking this guy will be on our doorstep after we've added Shelton.
I agree its good to disagree because constant agreement, while agreeable, is boring....ageed?
And though Id be surprised to see a WR in the first, if there's gonna be one, Im thinking Farmer has eyes for DeVante Parker...
Considering he says he doesn't "value" wr as much as other positions, Farmer has been down to Louisville AND also had DeVante come here for a private workout.......which seems like a lot of interest if yer askin me.....
I agree its good to disagree because constant agreement, while agreeable, is boring....ageed?
And though Id be surprised to see a WR in the first, if there's gonna be one, Im thinking Farmer has eyes for DeVante Parker...
Considering he says he doesn't "value" wr as much as other positions, Farmer has been down to Louisville AND also had DeVante come here for a private workout.......which seems like a lot of interest if yer askin me.....
I wouldn't mind Parker at all. With Farmer, his 1st year plan was to focus more on strengthening our running game with Bitonio and West while also strengthening our secondary/coverages with Gilbert and a LBer like Kirksey that looked instinctive vrs the pass. I could definitely see the plan taking form.
I get the feeling he wants everyone thinking we don't need WRs this year and he's playing some real good pre-draft poker. His payment to FAs shows me he values the position while it sets up a perfect smoke screen for him to snag a WR talent like Parker in in round 1. Most GMs love it when they see that the public has no idea what they're thinking. Farmer too. Who saw Gilbert coming here last year in round 1 before the draft?
Shelton will probably last until #11 with our luck and then I think I'd rather go WR at #12 than the next best DT we're going to ask to play NT. I've seen film of Malcolm Brown that doesn't make me feel him at #12 while Jordan Phillips had back surgery in 2013 on top of his reputation for taking plays off. Eddie Goldman may be worth consideration for #19 but I haven't looked for any film to give you a gut on him yet. He has some intriguing scouting reports though.
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And who could ever forget this one?
There's 2 different versions of Braylon Edwards we got introduced to. There's the distracted one perfectly epitomized in the picture when football wasn't a top priority. Then there was the one on a mission to prove that his 2nd year post knee surgery could get back to the form that made him a 3rd overall pick capable of contributing 16 TD receptions to our only double digit win season this side of 1999.
Like Josh Gordon, what comes after proving how talented you can be on the football field at the NFL level? Where does football rank on the priority list? We know the answer in both cases so we don't we need to stay away from the Green-Beckham types. There's franchises and front offices that do a good job in researching work ethics, off the field stuff and other things dating all the way back to high school with many prospects. I don't know what we've have had for criteria here all these years our front office ranked at the bottom of our division drafting. I have a good feeling about Farmer.
At one of the college award presentation shows, Amari Cooper's mom and Nick Saban we're saying it was killing Amari that he couldn't workout in his normal routine that weekend. I get the sense, this is the type of horse an NFL team can feel good about betting on come draft day.
Anyone remember the QB that would only get drafted somewhere in the 20s by the team already frequenting posts seasons with Brett Favre? That could have been REALLY nice if our front office knew who that QB was and traded down to land him along with additional picks. It's OKAY if we as fans don't get that right; BUT when your plan at QB was going to end up counting on Charlie Frye as the starter - it would have also been nice to know who would have been the better guy to bet on here between and the QB in Green Bay with the precision to throw WRs open. That was a nice opportunity for Savage to prove he was more than just a Dunkin Do Nots fetcher for Ozzie once upon a time.
I don't know what we've have had for criteria here all these years our front office ranked at the bottom of our division drafting. I have a good feeling about Farmer.
The same that allowed Haslam to be cock of the walk, pick Manziel, then have the front office screaming "We had NO idea" 10 months later.
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I don't know what we've have had for criteria here all these years our front office ranked at the bottom of our division drafting. I have a good feeling about Farmer.
The same that allowed Haslam to be cock of the walk, pick Manziel, then have the front office screaming "We had NO idea" 10 months later.
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In fact, why don't you go check the length of my initial post in this thread before Perriman went on trial for impersonating Greg Little. He was never my favorite WR in this draft.
OK... not your fav. Just was your secret "hope he gets to round 2 so we can steal him" guy. Obviously there's a little pride of ownership there that I stepped on. Did not mean to unduly, just meant register a restrained opinion.
As for the 3-cone and other drills... No, not nitpicking at all. Just because I make a short post does not mean it's "snippy". It means my point was made, or at least I thought it was, and since I suck at typing I'd no reason to continue.
But since my point was not communicated...
When I see a player comes out of a conference like the AAC, where the competition level is not what it is in other Div 1 conferences, then for me it is even more important that his "stats" be validated.
My first step in that process is to review his measurables... all his measurables... preferably as taken at the Combine. Why? Because it's easy. It's efficient. If you tell me that the WR in question runs a blazing fast 40, then that makes the drill times even more important, not less.
I place zero weight on his (redshirt) Junior status.
If I am still curious/ interested, then I'd look at the player's game stats for the schedule played. Who'd he do well against? Did anyone shut him down? If so, who?
Best games:
07 2014-10-25 Central Florida v Temple W 7 146 20.9 1
12 2014-12-04 Central Florida @ East Carolina W 4 139 34.8 1
13 2014-12-26 Central Florida N NC State L 9 138 15.3 0
Worst games:
02 2014-09-13 Central Florida @ Missouri L 2 27 13.5 0
08 2014-11-01 Central Florida @ Connecticut L 2 43 21.5 1
10 2014-11-22 Central Florida v SMU W 2 43 21.5 1
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/breshad-perriman-1/gamelog/2014/
Look to be good efforts vs. a couple good teams, but poor outings vs. some better ones. In the above I'd dig into other game stats and tape, if available. One I'm most curious about is the loss to Connecticut. Could be weather... but also could be Byron Jones.
But since I have yet to see the other measureables... it can wait.
OK... not your fav. Just was your secret "hope he gets to round 2 so we can steal him" guy. Obviously there's a little pride of ownership there that I stepped on. Did not mean to unduly, just meant register a restrained opinion.
As for the 3-cone and other drills... No, not nitpicking at all. Just because I make a short post does not mean it's "snippy". It means my point was made, or at least I thought it was, and since I suck at typing I'd no reason to continue.
But since my point was not communicated...
When I see a player comes out of a conference like the AAC, where the competition level is not what it is in other Div 1 conferences, then for me it is even more important that his "stats" be validated.
My first step in that process is to review his measurables... all his measurables... preferably as taken at the Combine. Why? Because it's easy. It's efficient. If you tell me that the WR in question runs a blazing fast 40, then that makes the drill times even more important, not less.
I place zero weight on his (redshirt) Junior status.
If I am still curious/ interested, then I'd look at the player's game stats for the schedule played. Who'd he do well against? Did anyone shut him down? If so, who?
Best games:
07 2014-10-25 Central Florida v Temple W 7 146 20.9 1
12 2014-12-04 Central Florida @ East Carolina W 4 139 34.8 1
13 2014-12-26 Central Florida N NC State L 9 138 15.3 0
Worst games:
02 2014-09-13 Central Florida @ Missouri L 2 27 13.5 0
08 2014-11-01 Central Florida @ Connecticut L 2 43 21.5 1
10 2014-11-22 Central Florida v SMU W 2 43 21.5 1
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/breshad-perriman-1/gamelog/2014/
Look to be good efforts vs. a couple good teams, but poor outings vs. some better ones. In the above I'd dig into other game stats and tape, if available. One I'm most curious about is the loss to Connecticut. Could be weather... but also could be Byron Jones.
But since I have yet to see the other measureables... it can wait.
The snippy ballbust was about the you like to type a lot. Hell no. It means I'm sucking at articulating my point.
Thanks for showing me your line of thinking.
Sometimes the strength of competition could be as bad as Jerry Rice playing the level of competition that Mississippi Valley State played where nothing he was going to accomplish at any workout was going to make more than the 1 team that rolled the dice on him use their first round pick on him. Then came the 40 teams that really made SF his only taker.
UCF has put some quality passing game personnel in the NFL whether it's Brandon Marshall, Daunte Culpepper (pre-injury). I think they beat Louisville in 2013 despite the Bridgewater to Parker connection.
I DO place some emphasis on the TRUE Junior thing if he's sporting progress in his numbers, up over 1000 yards receiving and at 20.9 yards per catch with 9 TD receptions. That's showing me upside being tapped without even knowing what kind of QB he was counting on. I also think it's important to see what 1 more year meant to a guys like White and Parker meant in terms of statistical progress, In a world where they bet on upside based on all the variables they've researched it's nice to see progress and upside unfolding. That's why I like this apples to apples of his stats up against top rated WRs in his draft class when they were true juniors beginning with Breshad first:
Perriman 2014: 10 starts 50 rec 1044 yds 20.9 ypc 9 TD
White 2013: 9 starts 35 rec 507 yds 14.5 ypc 5 TD
Parker 2013: 12 starts 55 rec 885 yds 16.1 ypc 12 TD
Cooper 2014: 14 starts 124 rec 1727 yds 13.9 ypc 16 TD (this is the only guy that kicks his ass numbers wise)
In a world where they draft what's projected ahead - I like this kid's chances as well as any of the WRs.
Everyone's going to have days an easier opponent fattens numbers statistically. Let's just say we can all prove a thesis if we want to. For some reason Parker felt compelled he needed to return for a senior a year after Bridgewater left while Perriman's best numbers came after Bortles departed. I don't know who had the better QB; but those videos of Perriman Woody shared sure had him making the best of a lot of underthrows. Seems like guys with the most access to film of Periman such as Cosell, Mayock, Kiper and I think McShay all seem to like him more than they expected to once they put the tape on him. That's what gave me a kick in the pants and intrigue about Perriman on top of thinking we had a better shot at him than other bigger named WRs.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
bump.
yep, that's how much his stock is rising...............
(chirp chirp) lol
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Rice 4.71 40, Irvin 4.52 40....what else? They CAUGHT the ball! They were wide RECEIVERS! I'm no pro scout, but a WR with the drops just doesn't make it. I'm with Mud.....the fast risers due to Combine & Pro Day stuff impress me far less than on field performers like Alshon Jeffery, who is another of those WR types I like...big, maybe not a burner, but WINS the catch & holds the ball.
Mike
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Most important aspects of receiver play are physicality and footwork. You really only need one to be good.
There's a guy in Houston that coaches just footwork. He's kinda revolutionary in that he focuses on feet so specifically. Anyway, he trains mostly college kids but he trained Le'Veon Bell last offseason and has had Emmanuel Sanders and Knile Davis in in the last month.
He posts Instagram videos of a lot of the drills being performed. Almost every person that shows up is SLOW through the drills. Even Emmanuel Sanders. Davis was really slow. But both blaze through it now and it's impressive.
Anyway, not to give any praise to a Steeler, but Antonio Brown showed up for his first workout and he was just as quick through the drills as Sanders, which is crazy because A. Sanders has been working out with the guy for a month and it was Brown's first workout and B. Sanders has more pure speed than Brown. Brown is a freak of quickness.
Anyway, Brown is regarded as an elite route runner, that's because he drops different footwork combinations on each route to keep the defense guessing.
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Most important aspects of receiver play are physicality and footwork. You really only need one to be good.
There's a guy in Houston that coaches just footwork. He's kinda revolutionary in that he focuses on feet so specifically. Anyway, he trains mostly college kids but he trained Le'Veon Bell last offseason and has had Emmanuel Sanders and Knile Davis in in the last month.
He posts Instagram videos of a lot of the drills being performed. Almost every person that shows up is SLOW through the drills. Even Emmanuel Sanders. Davis was really slow. But both blaze through it now and it's impressive.
Anyway, not to give any praise to a Steeler, but Antonio Brown showed up for his first workout and he was just as quick through the drills as Sanders, which is crazy because A. Sanders has been working out with the guy for a month and it was Brown's first workout and B. Sanders has more pure speed than Brown. Brown is a freak of quickness.
Anyway, Brown is regarded as an elite route runner, that's because he drops different footwork combinations on each route to keep the defense guessing.
Most important aspects of receiver play are physicality and footwork. You really only need one to be good.
You fucked up with your first sentence.
The most important aspect of receiver is hands. Pure and simple. You can be fast like Moss, as big as Megatron and run routes like Rice... if you have hands like Greg Little ? Doesn't mean a damn thing.
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Well, true. I stand corrected on that point.
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Here's an article of what I was referencing and a short clip of Brown that's insane. Again, this was his first workout with this trainer.
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