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  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
    #48

    the one thing we cant argue is that Perriman is definitely climbing.....really fast too....

    so, if nothing else, he may push some one else back that we could use......

    Id expect a few new names to creep up and get tapped earlier than people are predicting, simply based upon team needs.....and(hopefully) pushing one of our guys back.....

    In addition to climbers like Perriman, gotta think the top prospects at their perspective positions will start getting higher consideration too.....guys like Landon Collins, Todd Gurley, Trae Waynes, Maxx Wiiliams, AJ Caan, Eddie Kendricks and Cameron Irving could all move up higher(and some will for sure)......

    lets hope a couple make the top 10.....

  • the one thing we cant argue is that Perriman is definitely climbing.....really fast too....

    so, if nothing else, he may push some one else back that we could use......

    Id expect a few new names to creep up and get tapped earlier than people are predicting, simply based upon team needs.....and(hopefully) pushing one of our guys back.....

    In addition to climbers like Perriman, gotta think the top prospects at their perspective positions will start getting higher consideration too.....guys like Landon Collins, Todd Gurley, Trae Waynes, Maxx Wiiliams, AJ Caan, Eddie Kendricks and Cameron Irving could all move up higher(and some will for sure)......

    lets hope a couple make the top 10.....

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #49

    @mudfly said:

    the one thing we cant argue is that Perriman is definitely climbing.....really fast too....

    so, if nothing else, he may push some one else back that we could use......

    Id expect a few new names to creep up and get tapped earlier than people are predicting, simply based upon team needs.....and(hopefully) pushing one of our guys back.....

    In addition to climbers like Perriman, gotta think the top prospects at their perspective positions will start getting higher consideration too.....guys like Landon Collins, Todd Gurley, Trae Waynes, Maxx Wiiliams, AJ Caan, Eddie Kendricks and Cameron Irving could all move up higher(and some will for sure)......

    lets hope a couple make the top 10.....

    Of those AJ Cann or Irving to the Gmen would make the most sense.

  • @mudfly said:

    the one thing we cant argue is that Perriman is definitely climbing.....really fast too....

    so, if nothing else, he may push some one else back that we could use......

    Id expect a few new names to creep up and get tapped earlier than people are predicting, simply based upon team needs.....and(hopefully) pushing one of our guys back.....

    In addition to climbers like Perriman, gotta think the top prospects at their perspective positions will start getting higher consideration too.....guys like Landon Collins, Todd Gurley, Trae Waynes, Maxx Wiiliams, AJ Caan, Eddie Kendricks and Cameron Irving could all move up higher(and some will for sure)......

    lets hope a couple make the top 10.....

    Of those AJ Cann or Irving to the Gmen would make the most sense.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
    #50

    @tiamat63 said:

    Of those AJ Cann or Irving to the Gmen would make the most sense.

    yep....sounds very reasonable to me.......and I think Waynes has good potential to be a top 10 pick too..

    the others, while likely not top 10, still could fall in the teens......which can help us at 19

  • jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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    Here's what I know for certain: I'd take Cooper, White, Parker, Strong, Devin Smith, Rashad Greene, and even Green-Beckham before this dude.

  • @flugel said:

    Thanks for showing me your line of thinking.

    You're welcome...

    No doubt... 40 time is the glamour measureable, but I think we are both saying it's over-rated unless it comes with other attributes.

    That's twice now that you've emphasized "TRUE Junior". Where are you seeing this? Every Bio I have seen on Perriman says he's a redshirt Jr., e.g., Class/Draft Year: rJr/2015.

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=91941&draftyear=2015&genpos=WR

    As for progress... are you sure that's why Perriman's numbers are up? Versus say the prior year's #1 target graduating? My point, my caution being that you have to dig to see what is behind the numbers.

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
    #52

    @tour2ma said:

    You're welcome...

    No doubt... 40 time is the glamour measureable, but I think we are both saying it's over-rated unless it comes with other attributes.

    That's twice now that you've emphasized "TRUE Junior". Where are you seeing this?

    Go to your nearest store that sells magazines. Find page 27 of Hub Arkush's Pro Football Now Draft Guide 2015. This page ranks the top rated WRs and lists their school, year (and other pertinent data like ht/wt/40/arm length/hand size that I did not include below):

    1. Amari Cooper. Alabama. Year: True Junior.

    2. Kevin White. West Virginia. True Senior

    3. DeVante Parker. Louisville. True Senior

    4. Jaelen Strong. Arizona State. Year: Redshirt Junior.

    5. Brashad Perriman. UCF. Year: True Junior.

    I'm one that likes to see the stats of all the seasons right next to the strong points and weaknesses of each prospect. This publication does a nice job of consolidating it all in a menu-like format. All 5 of those kids above are on 1 page; so it also makes for some nice compare and contrast. The author is Greg Gabriel who spent 32 years in various roles as an NFL Scout and Director of College Scouting. He worked with the Buffalo Bills 1982-1984, NY Giants 1985-2001, Chicago Bears Director of College Scouting from 2001-2010, Philadelphia Eagles Player Personnel from 2012-2013.

    Is it possible he made a mistake and your sources didn't? Sure. Is it a showstopper? No. There's a bunch of measurables and variables that go on to each prospect's resume. Some of cyberspace draft experts have made errors too. The difference is they can correct them while magazines can't be corrected or updated with pro days once they've hit the shelves.

  • Here's what I know for certain: I'd take Cooper, White, Parker, Strong, Devin Smith, Rashad Greene, and even Green-Beckham before this dude.

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
    #53

    @jrb12711 said:

    Here's what I know for certain: I'd take Cooper, White, Parker, Strong, Devin Smith, Rashad Greene, and even Green-Beckham before this dude.

    I'd also prefer Cooper, White or Parker but don't you think at least 3 of the 11 teams drafting before #12 would too? To spend all my time counting on those guys is like planning my budget around winning the lottery.

    I wouldn't take Perriman at #12; but I'd strongly consider him in a trade back toward the back end of round 1.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    Here's what I know for certain: I'd take Cooper, White, Parker, Strong, Devin Smith, Rashad Greene, and even Green-Beckham before this dude.

    I'd also prefer Cooper, White or Parker but don't you think at least 3 of the 11 teams drafting before #12 would too? To spend all my time counting on those guys is like planning my budget around winning the lottery.

    I wouldn't take Perriman at #12; but I'd strongly consider him in a trade back toward the back end of round 1.

    jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
    #54

    @flugel said:

    I'd also prefer Cooper, White or Parker but don't you think at least 3 of the 11 teams drafting before #12 would too? Along that same line, a lot of us really like Danny Shelton. Unfortunately, only 1 of the first 11 teams has to be interested in him enough to make him unavailable to us at #12 too.

    Interesting question, but I'd bet very good money that one of those guys is available at #12. It's very uncommon for 3+ WR to go in the top 10. I'm not crazy about drafting a WR at 12 but if for some reason Cooper is there it's a no-brainer pick for me.

  • the one thing we cant argue is that Perriman is definitely climbing.....really fast too....

    so, if nothing else, he may push some one else back that we could use......

    Id expect a few new names to creep up and get tapped earlier than people are predicting, simply based upon team needs.....and(hopefully) pushing one of our guys back.....

    In addition to climbers like Perriman, gotta think the top prospects at their perspective positions will start getting higher consideration too.....guys like Landon Collins, Todd Gurley, Trae Waynes, Maxx Wiiliams, AJ Caan, Eddie Kendricks and Cameron Irving could all move up higher(and some will for sure)......

    lets hope a couple make the top 10.....

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #55

    @mudfly said:

    the one thing we cant argue is that Perriman is definitely climbing.....really fast too....

    so, if nothing else, he may push some one else back that we could use... guys like Landon Collins, Todd Gurley, Trae Waynes, Maxx Wiiliams, AJ Caan, Eddie Kendricks and Cameron Irving could all move up higher(and some will for sure)......

    As you later mention, Waynes looks to be the top ten threat there. Possibly Erving... The issue is more around who falls at this point.

    @flugel said:

    ... Hub Arkush's Pro Football Now Draft Guide 2015.

    Thanks for your ref.

  • @flugel said:

    I'd also prefer Cooper, White or Parker but don't you think at least 3 of the 11 teams drafting before #12 would too? Along that same line, a lot of us really like Danny Shelton. Unfortunately, only 1 of the first 11 teams has to be interested in him enough to make him unavailable to us at #12 too.

    Interesting question, but I'd bet very good money that one of those guys is available at #12. It's very uncommon for 3+ WR to go in the top 10. I'm not crazy about drafting a WR at 12 but if for some reason Cooper is there it's a no-brainer pick for me.

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
    #56

    @jrb12711 said:

    Interesting question, but I'd bet very good money that one of those guys is available at #12. It's very uncommon for 3+ WR to go in the top 10. I'm not crazy about drafting a WR at 12 but if for some reason Cooper is there it's a no-brainer pick for me.

    Understandable. And I join you in not wanting Perriman at #12.

    Another train of thought is last year's first round gave a lot of teams some very immediate impact/help at WR. I think recent success at a position is the best way to buck a previous trend. In this case, I can see 3 teams that could very easily go WR before #12. They are Oakland at #4 (for Carr), St Louis at #10 (for Foles) and Minnesota at #11 (for Bridgewater). If that happens, I don't see us spending our #12 on the 4th WR in the pecking order when other positions will be offering us the #1 or #2 rated guy. If Parker does make it that far,

    Where Perriman could come into play is if we add picks via trade back and get him somewhere near the back 3rd of round 1. In that area, I could also see interest in him from Detroit, Baltimore, Seattle or NE; especially if he clears teams in mid-first round slots held by Houston, Philly, KC, Miami, SF, and Miami.

    If Shelton plus White, Cooper and Parker are off the board before #12 - how much is our front office tempted to trade back and add picks? I'm not buying that Farmer isn't a WR guy as much as I thought last year's plan prioritized running game (Bitonio & West) and pass coverage help (Gilbert, Desir, Kirksey) and various FA moves like Crow, Whitner, and Dansby stuck to the strategy. THIS year, Josh Gordon has parked himself again so the time is right to move forward. I'm sure Farmer wants nothing more than local media announcing he isn't a WR guy at all.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    Interesting question, but I'd bet very good money that one of those guys is available at #12. It's very uncommon for 3+ WR to go in the top 10. I'm not crazy about drafting a WR at 12 but if for some reason Cooper is there it's a no-brainer pick for me.

    Understandable. And I join you in not wanting Perriman at #12.

    Another train of thought is last year's first round gave a lot of teams some very immediate impact/help at WR. I think recent success at a position is the best way to buck a previous trend. In this case, I can see 3 teams that could very easily go WR before #12. They are Oakland at #4 (for Carr), St Louis at #10 (for Foles) and Minnesota at #11 (for Bridgewater). If that happens, I don't see us spending our #12 on the 4th WR in the pecking order when other positions will be offering us the #1 or #2 rated guy. If Parker does make it that far,

    Where Perriman could come into play is if we add picks via trade back and get him somewhere near the back 3rd of round 1. In that area, I could also see interest in him from Detroit, Baltimore, Seattle or NE; especially if he clears teams in mid-first round slots held by Houston, Philly, KC, Miami, SF, and Miami.

    If Shelton plus White, Cooper and Parker are off the board before #12 - how much is our front office tempted to trade back and add picks? I'm not buying that Farmer isn't a WR guy as much as I thought last year's plan prioritized running game (Bitonio & West) and pass coverage help (Gilbert, Desir, Kirksey) and various FA moves like Crow, Whitner, and Dansby stuck to the strategy. THIS year, Josh Gordon has parked himself again so the time is right to move forward. I'm sure Farmer wants nothing more than local media announcing he isn't a WR guy at all.

    S secondwave wrote on last edited by
    #57

    @flugel said:

    Understandable. And I join you in not wanting Perriman at #12.

    Another train of thought is last year's first round gave a lot of teams some very immediate impact/help at WR. I think recent success at a position is the best way to buck a previous trend. In this case, I can see 3 teams that could very easily go WR before #12. They are Oakland at #4 (for Carr), St Louis at #10 (for Foles) and Minnesota at #11 (for Bridgewater). If that happens, I don't see us spending our #12 on the 4th WR in the pecking order when other positions will be offering us the #1 or #2 rated guy. If Parker does make it that far,

    Where Perriman could come into play is if we add picks via trade back and get him somewhere near the back 3rd of round 1. In that area, I could also see interest in him from Detroit, Baltimore, Seattle or NE; especially if he clears teams in mid-first round slots held by Houston, Philly, KC, Miami, SF, and Miami.

    If Shelton plus White, Cooper and Parker are off the board before #12 - how much is our front office tempted to trade back and add picks? I'm not buying that Farmer isn't a WR guy as much as I thought last year's plan prioritized running game (Bitonio & West) and pass coverage help (Gilbert, Desir, Kirksey) and various FA moves like Crow, Whitner, and Dansby stuck to the strategy. THIS year, Josh Gordon has parked himself again so the time is right to move forward. I'm sure Farmer wants nothing more than local media announcing he isn't a WR guy at all.

    I doubt DeVante Parker cracks the top 10. Also, there are so many holes in that St. Louis offensive line that I doubt the Rams go WR. I actually believe the Bears are more likely to go WR than the Raiders (who I believe will go with a defensive player). With that being said, I'm 100% sure one of the top 3 WRs crack the top 10 and I'm 50% sure 2 of them crack the top 10.

    Best case scenario: Kevin White OR Amari Cooper + DeVante Parker available

    Worst case scenario: only DeVante Parker available

    FWIW, I think Devante is an inferior prospect in comparison to the other 2, and i'd look elsewhere if White/Cooper are off the board.