DA deserves a shot in training camp. At the very least...
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Yeah tied with some guy named Brady Quinn.
Jesus H. Quinn wan't ranked because he didn't get enough reps to qualify for the basic math of stats.
Same song Lum. All postive for one guy and all negative for the other just shows you're either A ) a fanboi or B ) suffer from the "black and white of youth". Remember those days? Its when everything is either awesome or everything is terrible. Get some wisdom man. It's all gray zones.
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By the time Quinn got in it was over anyhow . The team shriveled up and went limp . Not a good way to dertimine anything either way in my opinion .
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mz the pussy I think you make a ton of great points, however, are you forgetting how frustrating it was to watch him make ridiculously stupid throw after ridiculously stupid throw, never learning to check down if the first read is covered? Forget that he never learned to check down... some of those throws were so bad that an NFL starting QB even as a rookie shouldn't be making them. And he was a fourth (?) year player with some experience.
DA is a likeable guy with a huge arm... he's just not sharp enough to ever learn to read an NFL defense.
He had a great statistical year, but now much of that can be contributed to defenses unfamiliar to him or Braylon/K2/JJ making ridiculous catches while he simply put the ball in the area of them. Especially Braylon in the endzone.
I just don't think we've given him enough time to fix the things we see as "stupid." Not by a long shot. That's all.
Did anyone think Brett Favre was "sharp enough?" I still don't think he is, and he's a 1st-ballot HOF'er.
And addressing the receiver thing, you don't think Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne have ever bailed Manning out? Or Robert Brooks, Sterling Sharpe, Antonio Freeman or Donald Driver ever bailed out Favre??????????? This is what good receivers do.
mz. said:
I just don't think we've given him enough time to fix the things we see as "stupid." Not by a long shot. That's all.Did anyone think Brett Favre was "sharp enough?" I still don't think he is, and he's a 1st-ballot HOF'er.
And addressing the receiver thing, you don't think Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne have ever bailed Manning out?
No, not like Braylon or K2 bailed out DA in 07.
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By the time Quinn got in it was over anyhow . The team shriveled up and went limp . Not a good way to dertimine anything either way in my opinion .
By the time Quinn got in it was over anyhow . The team shriveled up and went limp . Not a good way to dertimine anything either way in my opinion .
Yeah the team shriveled up and quit when he came in.
What was BQ Nation saying about his leadership skills again?
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If DA is on the team this year, I must admit that I'm considering not getting my season tickets.
I'll just watch the games from home. I can't stand to keep going through this mess.
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Masters said:
But DA has shown no improvement since HS. He is who he is.I've always found this line of reasoning pretty laughable, but I'm bitten my tongue in the past because of my intense hatred of Lumbergh.
Masters said:
Favre did get better, and quick once he was out of ATL.The Favre stats I posted were GB stats.
mz. said:
I've always found this line of reasoning pretty laughable, but I'm bitten my tongue in the past because of my intense hatred of Lumbergh.The Favre stats I posted were GB stats.
Why is it laughable. It's the truth. Read his scouting report out of HS, out of college, and today. It reads the same. Even if he never had Bill Walsh coaching him, you'd think as a player he could watch film of himself, what D's are doing to him, and make some sort of adjustment on his own. Heck, even how to adjust his canon arm on short passes. But he can't and hasn't. He is who he is. It isn't all bad, but he sure isn't who I'd want as the starting QB of my team. Whether I am a contender or a pretender.
I realize it was Favre's first season. But Brett again showed coachability and was athletic. DA is a human jug machine.
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mz. said:
I've always found this line of reasoning pretty laughable, but I'm bitten my tongue in the past because of my intense hatred of Lumbergh.The Favre stats I posted were GB stats.
Why is it laughable. It's the truth. Read his scouting report out of HS, out of college, and today. It reads the same. Even if he never had Bill Walsh coaching him, you'd think as a player he could watch film of himself, what D's are doing to him, and make some sort of adjustment on his own. Heck, even how to adjust his canon arm on short passes. But he can't and hasn't. He is who he is. It isn't all bad, but he sure isn't who I'd want as the starting QB of my team. Whether I am a contender or a pretender.
I realize it was Favre's first season. But Brett again showed coachability and was athletic. DA is a human jug machine.
Masters said:
Why is it laughable. It's the truth. Read his scouting report out of HS, out of college, and today. It reads the same.Yeah, shitloads of TD passes.
...ha! and who would want lowly former NFL head coaches Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley when he could have had Fatso Weis? Now we're talking "pedigree", right masterbater?
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Masters said:
Why is it laughable. It's the truth. Read his scouting report out of HS, out of college, and today. It reads the same.Yeah, shitloads of TD passes.
...ha! and who would want lowly former NFL head coaches Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley when he could have had Fatso Weis? Now we're talking "pedigree", right masterbater?
Yeah, shitloads of TD passes.
...ha! and who would want lowly former NFL head coaches Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley when he could have had Fatso Weis? Now we're talking "pedigree", right masterbater?
LMFAO. Lum, you are just too weak. You mean all those TDs he threw over his first 7 starts, right? Shall we talk about all of them over his last 16 starts after teams made adjustments against him?
I didn't say or imply Weiss was any type of guru. That's all you right there buddy boy. Of course you missed the point. The point is no matter who DA ever has to coach him, he will be who he is. He's already shown that. Which to me spells get value for him if you can. He's not gonna be anyone of significance at QB in the NFL over the long haul.
What will Quinn do? I don't know. Can he learn? We will have to find out. But his track record at least shows learning and growth from HS to today. So from that aspect, he shows more upside than DA.
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I agree. Anybody in camp deserves a shot.....and especially at the most important position on the field.
It shouldn't be hard for Quinn to dispense of Anderson if he is as good as people think.
Why would people be threatened by such a move??
Not only that.....if the plan is to eventually move one of them, it makes sense to showcase them in preseason and let the best man win.
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Yeah, shitloads of TD passes.
...ha! and who would want lowly former NFL head coaches Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley when he could have had Fatso Weis? Now we're talking "pedigree", right masterbater?
LMFAO. Lum, you are just too weak. You mean all those TDs he threw over his first 7 starts, right? Shall we talk about all of them over his last 16 starts after teams made adjustments against him?
I didn't say or imply Weiss was any type of guru. That's all you right there buddy boy. Of course you missed the point. The point is no matter who DA ever has to coach him, he will be who he is. He's already shown that. Which to me spells get value for him if you can. He's not gonna be anyone of significance at QB in the NFL over the long haul.
What will Quinn do? I don't know. Can he learn? We will have to find out. But his track record at least shows learning and growth from HS to today. So from that aspect, he shows more upside than DA.
Masters said:
LMFAO. Lum, you are just too weak. You mean all those TDs he threw over his first 7 starts, right? Shall we talk about all of them over his last 16 starts after teams made adjustments against him?Good call masterbater, DA has "only" thrown 21 TDs over his last 16 starts.
Funny thing is that nobody else has done that in Cleveland in over 20 years. And that's what you call "BAD DA".
oops looks like you shit and fell back in it again masterbater.
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If he isnt traded he definately deserves a shot at the starting job.. he is a pro bowl qb and as demonstrated last year he had shit for WRs and we may have again this year..
However if mankok goes dink n dunk as many suspect then DA need not even apply because bq will eat him alive...
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That's a judgment call. We don't know for certain. I didn't watch every Packers or Colts game.
mz. said:
That's a judgment call. We don't know for certain. I didn't watch every Packers or Colts game.Fair enough... but you can't deny that Winslow and Braylon made some ridiculous catches that season that hardly any other receivers make. They catch balls they have no business catching. Remember that diving catch by Braylon in week 2 in the 100 point Bengals game?
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Good lord, this is exactly what I was afraid of......this whole offseason is going to be rehashing all the same bullshit for the millionth time regarding the Serial Drive Killer and what Queen can or can't do.
I've said this a ton of times, but DA can look like the better player in practice, but that doesn't mean he is going to be the better game player.
What will it take for this town to give the first round draft pick the same amount of starts as DA with nobody breathing down his throat after every mistake?
Please get this fooker outta here Mankok so we can get on with this franchise and away from this inane conversation that has been beaten down way too many times. I'll take a third right now.
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Zombo said:
Look how Anderson was able to produce as a first-year starter when he was surrounded by healthy talent.
Zombo
This has been said before but I'll say it again. He was surrounded by so much ridiculous talent that he SHOULD have had at least 29 touchdowns. I mean, all he had to do was put the ball somewhere in the general area code of Winslow, JJ, or Braylon and it was a gigantic play. I can't think of any other offense in the NFL where the QB can just drop back and take a chance and throw a broadly accurate CHANCE-ball at the first read and be successful like the 07 Browns. DA never even had to think during the first part of 2007, when his first reads were open and defenses didn't know his arm strength. It's sort of like Warner to Fitzgerald... Warner just puts it there almost regardless of coverage and Fitz makes a play on it most of the time.
Once they saw the weakness and took those away, QBing in the 07 Browns offense became a bit more difficult for DA. He had to think through things on dropbacks. He couldn't do it. He shit the season away.
Aside from one game against the Giants in 08, he's shown that his terrible-ness is permanent. He can't get away with dropping back and launching the ball at the first receiver he looks at without reading coverages. It doesn't work for very long.
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Pittsburgh has a better franchise than we do because of the organization and coaching/developing players, New England is better because of the same reason. We have a new management, lets see how they operate and develop/manage players and games.
BQ should have a lead in percentage because of PR going into training camps. He will earn his shot and then actually have to produce what all of the prediction and fan support.
Nice Post mz the pussy.
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mz. said:
That's a judgment call. We don't know for certain. I didn't watch every Packers or Colts game.Fair enough... but you can't deny that Winslow and Braylon made some ridiculous catches that season that hardly any other receivers make. They catch balls they have no business catching. Remember that diving catch by Braylon in week 2 in the 100 point Bengals game?
Fair enough... but you can't deny that Winslow and Braylon made some ridiculous catches that season that hardly any other receivers make. They catch balls they have no business catching. Remember that diving catch by Braylon in week 2 in the 100 point Bengals game?
I can agree to part of this, except for the bold portion.
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