DA deserves a shot in training camp. At the very least...
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Masters said:
Why is it laughable. It's the truth. Read his scouting report out of HS, out of college, and today. It reads the same.Yeah, shitloads of TD passes.
...ha! and who would want lowly former NFL head coaches Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley when he could have had Fatso Weis? Now we're talking "pedigree", right masterbater?
Yeah, shitloads of TD passes.
...ha! and who would want lowly former NFL head coaches Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley when he could have had Fatso Weis? Now we're talking "pedigree", right masterbater?
LMFAO. Lum, you are just too weak. You mean all those TDs he threw over his first 7 starts, right? Shall we talk about all of them over his last 16 starts after teams made adjustments against him?
I didn't say or imply Weiss was any type of guru. That's all you right there buddy boy. Of course you missed the point. The point is no matter who DA ever has to coach him, he will be who he is. He's already shown that. Which to me spells get value for him if you can. He's not gonna be anyone of significance at QB in the NFL over the long haul.
What will Quinn do? I don't know. Can he learn? We will have to find out. But his track record at least shows learning and growth from HS to today. So from that aspect, he shows more upside than DA.
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I agree. Anybody in camp deserves a shot.....and especially at the most important position on the field.
It shouldn't be hard for Quinn to dispense of Anderson if he is as good as people think.
Why would people be threatened by such a move??
Not only that.....if the plan is to eventually move one of them, it makes sense to showcase them in preseason and let the best man win.
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Yeah, shitloads of TD passes.
...ha! and who would want lowly former NFL head coaches Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley when he could have had Fatso Weis? Now we're talking "pedigree", right masterbater?
LMFAO. Lum, you are just too weak. You mean all those TDs he threw over his first 7 starts, right? Shall we talk about all of them over his last 16 starts after teams made adjustments against him?
I didn't say or imply Weiss was any type of guru. That's all you right there buddy boy. Of course you missed the point. The point is no matter who DA ever has to coach him, he will be who he is. He's already shown that. Which to me spells get value for him if you can. He's not gonna be anyone of significance at QB in the NFL over the long haul.
What will Quinn do? I don't know. Can he learn? We will have to find out. But his track record at least shows learning and growth from HS to today. So from that aspect, he shows more upside than DA.
Masters said:
LMFAO. Lum, you are just too weak. You mean all those TDs he threw over his first 7 starts, right? Shall we talk about all of them over his last 16 starts after teams made adjustments against him?Good call masterbater, DA has "only" thrown 21 TDs over his last 16 starts.
Funny thing is that nobody else has done that in Cleveland in over 20 years. And that's what you call "BAD DA".
oops looks like you shit and fell back in it again masterbater.
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If he isnt traded he definately deserves a shot at the starting job.. he is a pro bowl qb and as demonstrated last year he had shit for WRs and we may have again this year..
However if mankok goes dink n dunk as many suspect then DA need not even apply because bq will eat him alive...
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That's a judgment call. We don't know for certain. I didn't watch every Packers or Colts game.
mz. said:
That's a judgment call. We don't know for certain. I didn't watch every Packers or Colts game.Fair enough... but you can't deny that Winslow and Braylon made some ridiculous catches that season that hardly any other receivers make. They catch balls they have no business catching. Remember that diving catch by Braylon in week 2 in the 100 point Bengals game?
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Good lord, this is exactly what I was afraid of......this whole offseason is going to be rehashing all the same bullshit for the millionth time regarding the Serial Drive Killer and what Queen can or can't do.
I've said this a ton of times, but DA can look like the better player in practice, but that doesn't mean he is going to be the better game player.
What will it take for this town to give the first round draft pick the same amount of starts as DA with nobody breathing down his throat after every mistake?
Please get this fooker outta here Mankok so we can get on with this franchise and away from this inane conversation that has been beaten down way too many times. I'll take a third right now.
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Zombo said:
Look how Anderson was able to produce as a first-year starter when he was surrounded by healthy talent.
Zombo
This has been said before but I'll say it again. He was surrounded by so much ridiculous talent that he SHOULD have had at least 29 touchdowns. I mean, all he had to do was put the ball somewhere in the general area code of Winslow, JJ, or Braylon and it was a gigantic play. I can't think of any other offense in the NFL where the QB can just drop back and take a chance and throw a broadly accurate CHANCE-ball at the first read and be successful like the 07 Browns. DA never even had to think during the first part of 2007, when his first reads were open and defenses didn't know his arm strength. It's sort of like Warner to Fitzgerald... Warner just puts it there almost regardless of coverage and Fitz makes a play on it most of the time.
Once they saw the weakness and took those away, QBing in the 07 Browns offense became a bit more difficult for DA. He had to think through things on dropbacks. He couldn't do it. He shit the season away.
Aside from one game against the Giants in 08, he's shown that his terrible-ness is permanent. He can't get away with dropping back and launching the ball at the first receiver he looks at without reading coverages. It doesn't work for very long.
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Pittsburgh has a better franchise than we do because of the organization and coaching/developing players, New England is better because of the same reason. We have a new management, lets see how they operate and develop/manage players and games.
BQ should have a lead in percentage because of PR going into training camps. He will earn his shot and then actually have to produce what all of the prediction and fan support.
Nice Post mz the pussy.
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mz. said:
That's a judgment call. We don't know for certain. I didn't watch every Packers or Colts game.Fair enough... but you can't deny that Winslow and Braylon made some ridiculous catches that season that hardly any other receivers make. They catch balls they have no business catching. Remember that diving catch by Braylon in week 2 in the 100 point Bengals game?
Fair enough... but you can't deny that Winslow and Braylon made some ridiculous catches that season that hardly any other receivers make. They catch balls they have no business catching. Remember that diving catch by Braylon in week 2 in the 100 point Bengals game?
I can agree to part of this, except for the bold portion.
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mz. said:
I did not intend for this thread to be turned into a DA-Quinn thing.you had to know it would be, though. i'm just surprised you guys got any sane discussion in whatsoever.
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yeag that is almsot as bad as comrhrhendination................I think that is what mz the pussy used in a previous thread in prefect grammar to attack a fellow member
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yeag that is almsot as bad as comrhrhendination................I think that is what mz the pussy used in a previous thread in prefect grammar to attack a fellow member
yeag that is almsot as bad as comrhrhendination................I think that is what mz the pussy used in a previous thread in prefect grammar to attack a fellow member
HUH?
Was not aware you were fluent in Hieroglyphs, Richard.
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I agree. Anybody in camp deserves a shot.....and especially at the most important position on the field.
It shouldn't be hard for Quinn to dispense of Anderson if he is as good as people think.
Why would people be threatened by such a move??
Not only that.....if the plan is to eventually move one of them, it makes sense to showcase them in preseason and let the best man win.
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Damn the Colts for laying down to the Titans! Damn Jim Sorgi!!
Huh?
I had a mini-epiphany this morning, and I know I'll probably take a lot of crap for this, but who cares. The epiphany I had was, to me, the 2008 Cleveland Browns season didn't exist. Romeo couldn't coach. Braylon couldn't catch. We had injuries. I'm pretending the 2007 season just ended. Don't like it? Sue me.
That being said, I strongly believe Derek Anderson, if he isn't traded, deserves (AT LEAST) a shot at the starting QB gig in camp. This has nothing to do with his Pro Bowl appearance (which just happened BTW, it being March 2008 and all). My thoughts are based on two things. The guy is undeniably talented, and the things he needs to improve upon have nothing to do with "talent." His teammates obviously like him, so I have no doubt he could become a leader. He does have problems with short/intermediate passes (obviously), but that's something repeated/consistent reps as a starter and quality coaching can possibly fix. He's still very very young. He has room to mature; he has essentially one season as a starting QB under his belt.
Now look at these historical comparisons. Below are Derek Anderson's, Peyton Manning's and Brett Favre's stats in their first season as a starting QB. They look pretty similar to me.
Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck
2007 Cleveland Browns 16 15 298 527 56.5 3,787 7.2 29 19 14
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22
1992 Green Bay Packers 15 13 302 471 64.1 3,227 6.9 18 13 34
Go ahead and say that the 2007 Browns were much better teams than the 1998 Colts and the 1992 Pack. And then think about what the Browns did/looked like in the 2008 season. The season that never existed.
The one thing you can knock, so far, on Anderson is his low completion % and his low QB rating. Then look at Manning's in 1998 and compare it to this season's (almost 67%). You can then say DA sucked this year, where Peyton improved to 62.7 in year two, but remember, this 2008 Browns season never existed. Besides, when you have the ability to create the big play like Anderson evidently does, you don't need to complete 67% of your passes.
Lastly, this is IN NO WAY a knock on Quinn. I think he can, in time, become a very good pro QB. But Derek, based on what we have seen him do in spurts and based upon historical comparisons, deserves at least a shot at being our guy. call me a DA fag, call me Lumbergh, but y'all know that just isn't true.
DA deserves a shot, and I'm sticking to it.
mz. said:
Damn the Colts for laying down to the Titans! Damn Jim Sorgi!!Huh?
I had a mini-epiphany this morning, and I know I'll probably take a lot of crap for this, but who cares. The epiphany I had was, to me, the 2008 Cleveland Browns season didn't exist. Romeo couldn't coach. Braylon couldn't catch. We had injuries. I'm pretending the 2007 season just ended. Don't like it? Sue me.
That being said, I strongly believe Derek Anderson, if he isn't traded, deserves (AT LEAST) a shot at the starting QB gig in camp. This has nothing to do with his Pro Bowl appearance (which just happened BTW, it being March 2008 and all). My thoughts are based on two things. The guy is undeniably talented, and the things he needs to improve upon have nothing to do with "talent." His teammates obviously like him, so I have no doubt he could become a leader. He does have problems with short/intermediate passes (obviously), but that's something repeated/consistent reps as a starter and quality coaching can possibly fix. He's still very very young. He has room to mature; he has essentially one season as a starting QB under his belt.
Now look at these historical comparisons. Below are Derek Anderson's, Peyton Manning's and Brett Favre's stats in their first season as a starting QB. They look pretty similar to me.
Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck
2007 Cleveland Browns 16 15 298 527 56.5 3,787 7.2 29 19 14
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22
1992 Green Bay Packers 15 13 302 471 64.1 3,227 6.9 18 13 34
Go ahead and say that the 2007 Browns were much better teams than the 1998 Colts and the 1992 Pack. And then think about what the Browns did/looked like in the 2008 season. The season that never existed.
The one thing you can knock, so far, on Anderson is his low completion % and his low QB rating. Then look at Manning's in 1998 and compare it to this season's (almost 67%). You can then say DA sucked this year, where Peyton improved to 62.7 in year two, but remember, this 2008 Browns season never existed. Besides, when you have the ability to create the big play like Anderson evidently does, you don't need to complete 67% of your passes.
Lastly, this is IN NO WAY a knock on Quinn. I think he can, in time, become a very good pro QB. But Derek, based on what we have seen him do in spurts and based upon historical comparisons, deserves at least a shot at being our guy. call me a DA fag, call me Lumbergh, but y'all know that just isn't true.
DA deserves a shot, and I'm sticking to it.
As much as it pains me to do so, I actually agree with mz the pussy on THIS subject. DA is not going to lay down and die on the sidelines. He will compete with Quinn, and could very well beat Quinn out for the job. If he is not TRADED, he could very well be the starting QB.
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I have to agree on a few points. DA has not improved much on his scouting reports. He is still making the same mistakes he did in school. I also agree that Romeo was not a good head coach. Let me also agree that if BQ cannot beat out DA for the job then he doesn't deserve the chance either. So where does that leave us????
We cannot deny the fact that really bad business decisions were made by the front office. We signed a first round QB then benched him. Then we gave a big contract to a guy who had one good season. This INSTANTLY created the QB controversy that still lingers and will not go away until next season or until one of them is traded. We cannot pretend 2008 didn't happen because it did!
I don't hate DA ( I don't like him much....but don't hate him) and I am also not sold on BQ. I do believe that good business sense tells me to play the guy we drafted to be the "future" of the franchise and let him write his own history. The controversy needs to end either way! It is never healthy to go into camp not knowing who the QB will be.
I say whoever beats Pittsburgh next and ends our miserable losing streak to them be given the keys to the city and be hailed the next "King of Cleveland"!!!!!!!!!
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Damn the Colts for laying down to the Titans! Damn Jim Sorgi!!
Huh?
I had a mini-epiphany this morning, and I know I'll probably take a lot of crap for this, but who cares. The epiphany I had was, to me, the 2008 Cleveland Browns season didn't exist. Romeo couldn't coach. Braylon couldn't catch. We had injuries. I'm pretending the 2007 season just ended. Don't like it? Sue me.
That being said, I strongly believe Derek Anderson, if he isn't traded, deserves (AT LEAST) a shot at the starting QB gig in camp. This has nothing to do with his Pro Bowl appearance (which just happened BTW, it being March 2008 and all). My thoughts are based on two things. The guy is undeniably talented, and the things he needs to improve upon have nothing to do with "talent." His teammates obviously like him, so I have no doubt he could become a leader. He does have problems with short/intermediate passes (obviously), but that's something repeated/consistent reps as a starter and quality coaching can possibly fix. He's still very very young. He has room to mature; he has essentially one season as a starting QB under his belt.
Now look at these historical comparisons. Below are Derek Anderson's, Peyton Manning's and Brett Favre's stats in their first season as a starting QB. They look pretty similar to me.
Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck
2007 Cleveland Browns 16 15 298 527 56.5 3,787 7.2 29 19 14
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22
1992 Green Bay Packers 15 13 302 471 64.1 3,227 6.9 18 13 34
Go ahead and say that the 2007 Browns were much better teams than the 1998 Colts and the 1992 Pack. And then think about what the Browns did/looked like in the 2008 season. The season that never existed.
The one thing you can knock, so far, on Anderson is his low completion % and his low QB rating. Then look at Manning's in 1998 and compare it to this season's (almost 67%). You can then say DA sucked this year, where Peyton improved to 62.7 in year two, but remember, this 2008 Browns season never existed. Besides, when you have the ability to create the big play like Anderson evidently does, you don't need to complete 67% of your passes.
Lastly, this is IN NO WAY a knock on Quinn. I think he can, in time, become a very good pro QB. But Derek, based on what we have seen him do in spurts and based upon historical comparisons, deserves at least a shot at being our guy. call me a DA fag, call me Lumbergh, but y'all know that just isn't true.
DA deserves a shot, and I'm sticking to it.
mz. said:
Damn the Colts for laying down to the Titans! Damn Jim Sorgi!!Huh?
I had a mini-epiphany this morning, and I know I'll probably take a lot of crap for this, but who cares. The epiphany I had was, to me, the 2008 Cleveland Browns season didn't exist. Romeo couldn't coach. Braylon couldn't catch. We had injuries. I'm pretending the 2007 season just ended. Don't like it? Sue me.
That being said, I strongly believe Derek Anderson, if he isn't traded, deserves (AT LEAST) a shot at the starting QB gig in camp. This has nothing to do with his Pro Bowl appearance (which just happened BTW, it being March 2008 and all). My thoughts are based on two things. The guy is undeniably talented, and the things he needs to improve upon have nothing to do with "talent." His teammates obviously like him, so I have no doubt he could become a leader. He does have problems with short/intermediate passes (obviously), but that's something repeated/consistent reps as a starter and quality coaching can possibly fix. He's still very very young. He has room to mature; he has essentially one season as a starting QB under his belt.
Now look at these historical comparisons. Below are Derek Anderson's, Peyton Manning's and Brett Favre's stats in their first season as a starting QB. They look pretty similar to me.
Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck
2007 Cleveland Browns 16 15 298 527 56.5 3,787 7.2 29 19 14
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22
1992 Green Bay Packers 15 13 302 471 64.1 3,227 6.9 18 13 34
Go ahead and say that the 2007 Browns were much better teams than the 1998 Colts and the 1992 Pack. And then think about what the Browns did/looked like in the 2008 season. The season that never existed.
The one thing you can knock, so far, on Anderson is his low completion % and his low QB rating. Then look at Manning's in 1998 and compare it to this season's (almost 67%). You can then say DA sucked this year, where Peyton improved to 62.7 in year two, but remember, this 2008 Browns season never existed. Besides, when you have the ability to create the big play like Anderson evidently does, you don't need to complete 67% of your passes.
Lastly, this is IN NO WAY a knock on Quinn. I think he can, in time, become a very good pro QB. But Derek, based on what we have seen him do in spurts and based upon historical comparisons, deserves at least a shot at being our guy. call me a DA fag, call me Lumbergh, but y'all know that just isn't true.
DA deserves a shot, and I'm sticking to it.
based on what?...chokin?...no thanx
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Good lord, this is exactly what I was afraid of......this whole offseason is going to be rehashing all the same bullshit for the millionth time regarding the Serial Drive Killer and what Queen can or can't do.
I've said this a ton of times, but DA can look like the better player in practice, but that doesn't mean he is going to be the better game player.
What will it take for this town to give the first round draft pick the same amount of starts as DA with nobody breathing down his throat after every mistake?
Please get this fooker outta here Mankok so we can get on with this franchise and away from this inane conversation that has been beaten down way too many times. I'll take a third right now.
Good lord, this is exactly what I was afraid of......this whole offseason is going to be rehashing all the same bullshit for the millionth time
LOL....I agree....but then that is the off season.
Even if we won the Super Bowl, we would be raking though the same old litter box time and time again.
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