Would you trade our two first round picks for Philip Rivers?
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Quit whining and look at what's happened. Chris
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Josh Gordon happened. Manziel happened.
Quit whining, and look what happened. Phil Taylor gets hurt and look what happened.
Trading our first two picks away for a 33 yr old qb who will be retiring in the near future?
Not buying it, even for a plug nickel.
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Yes because this draft class isn't great, our pick at 19 could have well been a late second rounder last year.
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Quit whining and look at what's happened. Chris
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Josh Gordon happened. Manziel happened.
Quit whining, and look what happened. Phil Taylor gets hurt and look what happened.
Trading our first two picks away for a 33 yr old qb who will be retiring in the near future?
Not buying it, even for a plug nickel.
Quit whining and look at what's happened. Chris
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Josh Gordon happened. Manziel happened.
Quit whining, and look what happened. Phil Taylor gets hurt and look what happened.
Trading our first two picks away for a 33 yr old qb who will be retiring in the near future?
Not buying it, even for a plug nickel.
Not saying we should go for Rivers - I would do it for one, but not both - but complaining about needing to replace players we've lost, when most of them *have* been replaced is stupid.
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or, not true.... Depends on which postion you draft at 19.
The rbs, offensive linemen, edge rushers, defensive tackles,inside linebackers in 2015 are better than 2014. Cornerbacksare even.And it isn't just 19 - it was both first round picks. Two players the Browns need vsa 33 yrd old qb from San Diego...I think that's absurd - just my opinion.The Browns need major improvements to their roster to build a winner, they aren't that faraway. They don't need what amounts to a "last piece of the puzzle". -
I don't feel educated enough to answer. But those of you saying no, why?
Old guy who has openly said he would only like to play in the south if he had to leave San Diego. On top of that, you get 2-3 years at most out of him.
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I'd think about it for #19 if a contract extension is involved. However, I've heard from a San Diego writer that Rivers would sooner retire than leave San Diego. He's got plenty of money, four kids, and doesn't want to put them through a relocation. It sounds like he's fairly ingrained in his community.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Agree with some others here-I'd GLADLY give up #19 and a 4th-5th if it came with a contract extension. Phil may be 33 but he's still a top 10 QB in the NFL. Hell if he gave us 3 years of solid QB play that would be better than any frikin first round QB we've drafted. For a one year rental though-no way.
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The stupid rumors always involve the Browns one way or another. A CBS sports analyst has the Browns trading their 12, 43 and fifth round to Redskins for Mariota. That just doesn't make sense to mortgage the future on a rookie unproven and another past his prime. Even if all the Browns needed was a QB, I would still say no. Since last year we have lost TJ Ward, Skrine, Sheard, Cameron and Rubin not to mention Josh Gordon. Shouldn't the front office replace the players we have lost and build on the young talent we retained?
Rivers would never agree to a deal with Cleveland thank God. He's not happy about the Chargers potential move to L.A. And would opt out in favor of playing on a team closer to his home. So that's how the rumor started with a potential mock trade with San Diego and Tenessee.
The stupid rumors always involve the Browns one way or another. A CBS sports analyst has the Browns trading their 12, 43 and fifth round to Redskins for Mariota. That just doesn't make sense to mortgage the future on a rookie unproven and another past his prime. Even if all the Browns needed was a QB, I would still say no. Since last year we have lost TJ Ward, Skrine, Sheard, Cameron and Rubin not to mention Josh Gordon. Shouldn't the front office replace the players we have lost and build on the young talent we retained?
Rivers would never agree to a deal with Cleveland thank God. He's not happy about the Chargers potential move to L.A. And would opt out in favor of playing on a team closer to his home. So that's how the rumor started with a potential mock trade with San Diego and Tenessee.
Do you seriously think 12, 43 and a fifth round pick counts as mortgaging our future? That's a pittance compared to what people trade to land their qb of the future. I don't know if Mariotta would be the right guy for us or not, but right now, we have no one else. I would be happy as heck to land Marcus for that price. Just a few years ago, it might have cost us 3 consecutive number 1's. To only lose one number 1 pick is a far better deal then trading two number ones for Rivers.
Also keep in mind, Rivers may not sign here long term, that is true, but rookie first round contracts are 4 years, with a team option 5th year I believe. By then hopefully we would have something built around him to make him want to stay.
Hx214, and JRB12711, you guys really think giving up that much would benefit this team? Rivers would be more then #19 and a 5, likely #19 and a 3 minimum. If you are not trading the 2 1's to move up for Marcus, it will take our other 1, our 2, and likely a pick next year as well. That is a whole heck of a lot to give up for 2 players, which only one will start. We would essentially lose all our picks till round 4-5, and likely a no.2 next year as well. That's WAY to much to lose for Rivers, and Marcus. And that's only if the trade up doesn't cost us our next year 1, which it could.
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If this happened and I were a Browns fan I would burn all my gear and find a new team. Seriously.
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Well I think it's one of these three answers:
No
Hell no
Fuck no.
WSS
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I'd think about it for #19 if a contract extension is involved. However, I've heard from a San Diego writer that Rivers would sooner retire than leave San Diego. He's got plenty of money, four kids, and doesn't want to put them through a relocation. It sounds like he's fairly ingrained in his community.
I'd think about it for #19 if a contract extension is involved. However, I've heard from a San Diego writer that Rivers would sooner retire than leave San Diego. He's got plenty of money, four kids, and doesn't want to put them through a relocation. It sounds like he's fairly ingrained in his community.
It's a non story. He ain't coming here. If he's going anywhere it will be Tennessee or somewhere like that.
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The stupid rumors always involve the Browns one way or another. A CBS sports analyst has the Browns trading their 12, 43 and fifth round to Redskins for Mariota. That just doesn't make sense to mortgage the future on a rookie unproven and another past his prime. Even if all the Browns needed was a QB, I would still say no. Since last year we have lost TJ Ward, Skrine, Sheard, Cameron and Rubin not to mention Josh Gordon. Shouldn't the front office replace the players we have lost and build on the young talent we retained?
Rivers would never agree to a deal with Cleveland thank God. He's not happy about the Chargers potential move to L.A. And would opt out in favor of playing on a team closer to his home. So that's how the rumor started with a potential mock trade with San Diego and Tenessee.
A CBS sports analyst has the Browns trading their 12, 43 and fifth round to Redskins for Mariota. That just doesn't make sense to mortgage the future on a rookie
Even if all the Browns needed was a QB, I would still say no.
First, a 1st, 2nd, and 5th would be absolutely nothing to get a potential franchise QB. That is NOT mortgaging the future, and I would make that trade yesterday if it was actually on the table...
... that would leave us with Mariota, pick 19, a 3rd rounder, 2 4th rounders, 2 6th rounders, and a 7th rounder... plenty of picks to improve our "future"...
Second, how many other needs do we have? We were 6-3 with "average-at-best" QB play, and then tanked instantly when Hoyer started to lose it... I can see us benefiting from beefing up a bunch of other positions, BUT when you have 10 picks, and 2 of them are 1st rounders, then I think it would be an epic failure if we don't somehow improve our QB situation... even if that means trading 3 picks to get the guy we want...
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As far as Rivers... no thanks to 2 first rounders... BUT if he's willing to sign a 4-year deal I'd make a reasonable offer...
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I don't feel educated enough to answer. But those of you saying no, why?
Besides the age thing (my post above your question) I've always had the feeling that the guy is an asshole... a talented asshole, but an asshole. Case in point:
"As Philip Rivers does whenever his team doesn’t win, he whines, he cries, and he throws a temper tantrum. The leadership of any football team starts with the quarterback, and that is exactly where the Chargers are weak. It wasn’t necessarily his level of play that cost the Chargers this crucial win, it’s that Rivers is very weak minded. When the going gets tough, he handles it by yelling at his teammates and throwing his helmet: a recipe for disaster. When his back is against the wall, number seventeen likes to point fingers and cause a scene"
Maybe I would change my mind if he were our asshole, but... no...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Quit whining and look at what's happened. Chris
********************************************************
Josh Gordon happened. Manziel happened.
Quit whining, and look what happened. Phil Taylor gets hurt and look what happened.
Trading our first two picks away for a 33 yr old qb who will be retiring in the near future?
Not buying it, even for a plug nickel.
Not saying we should go for Rivers - I would do it for one, but not both - but complaining about needing to replace players we've lost, when most of them *have* been replaced is stupid.
Not saying we should go for Rivers - I would do it for one, but not both - but complaining about needing to replace players we've lost, when most of them *have* been replaced is stupid.
I agree, if the FO was going to give up #19 for china doll Bradford I would say pull the trigger and bring Rivers here.
But for both number #1's. . . HELL no!
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