Grayson Works Out For Browns

Mudfly

@jrb12711 said:
What type of offense did Grayson play in during college? Honestly, if we're going to use a mid round pick on a QB I'd rather try and find a guy who was in a more pro-style offense.

Compared to the other QB's in this draft, Grayson comes from one of the more pro-style O's .....

Mark O

@jrb12711 said:
What type of offense did Grayson play in during college? Honestly, if we're going to use a mid round pick on a QB I'd rather try and find a guy who was in a more pro-style offense.

Of all the QB prospects this year, he was the only one who played in a traditional pro style offense.

calfoxwc

I think he'd make a great addition to the Browns in the second round.

I mean, look at the qb's the Browns have drafted in the first....no wait, don't

get depressed, it's SPRING !

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/04/14/6-reasons-why-garrett-grayson-should-be-drafted-in-at-least-the-2nd-round-of-the-nfl-draft/

Grayson works out for Gruden:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12557908

Mudfly

They actually met with Grayson a coupla weeks ago(and actually took him out to dinner the evening of his pro-day).......not sure if they've met with him a second time or if MKC is just really slow to report the first meeting.....

but if they just met with him again.....then they must have more than a mild passing interest......

jrb12711

@mudfly said:
Compared to the other QB's in this draft, Grayson comes from one of the more pro-style O's .....

Oh cool, I didn't know that at all and for some reason couldn't find it well through Google. I can safely say this is a dude I knew NOTHING about until his name started popping up about a month ago. I've heard rumblings though that his style of play compares to Romo.

tiamat63

@mark-o said:

Of all the QB prospects this year, he was the only one who played in a traditional pro style offense.

I'm not sure if I'd call it a traditional pro style by any teams. It reminds me a lot of what they do in Denver. Base 11 personnel.

Some pistol, some twin spits, 5 wide and at times under center with a single back.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@tiamat63 said:

I'm not sure if I'd call it a traditional pro style by any teams. It reminds me a lot of what they do in Denver. Base 11 personnel.

Some pistol, some twin spits, 5 wide and at times under center with a single back.

Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.

He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.

ColumbusKing

He is 23 but turns 24 in May.

NFL.com compares him to Landry Jones, which is far from impressive....

Mark O

@columbusking said:

He is 23 but turns 24 in May.

NFL.com compares him to Landry Jones, which is far from impressive....

Who?

LondonBrown

Grayson isn't the answer ffs he has very a low ceiling, I hope Farmer isn't this stupid

ColumbusKing

@mark-o said:
Who?

He is the 3rd string QB on the steelers, he played at Oklahoma in college

tiamat63

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.

He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.

Then your priorities on what matters when selecting a QB are backwards. If whats between his ears looks good, his athletic ability is a far distant 2nd place issue.

jrb12711

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.

He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.

If that is the case it might be worth throwing a late 3rd or 4th to get him. You never know what guys who work in NFL conditioning may do.

gumby73

@mark-o said:

Of all the QB prospects this year, he was the only one who played in a traditional pro style offense.

Mannion was under center more than any of them in a pro set offense. Neither solve STarting QB issue IMO. Grayson is 3-4 Rnd. Mannion 5-6 Rnd.

wargograw

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I'm sure they do. But what I'm saying is...how do past players and coaches have any effect on the success of any players we pick?

Come on, you know that. All of human nature is built on it.

mdmusch

Grayson would just be a waste. Either draft Mariota or stick with Manziel for one more year. No point taking Petty, Hundley, Grayson, etc. Since they all have question marks, like Manziel, but do not possess his upside.

miktoxic

manziel is the only one with an upside that you mentioned? upside to what, falling off the wagon?

every player in every draft since the beginning of drafts have had question marks. dude even winston and mariota have question marks.

Flugel

@westside-steve said:

Last season when everything else was in place and working well together we won games with Brian Hoyer at quarterback. So what does Brian Hoyer do better than Josh McCown? In which areas is he a superior player? If it's nothing why couldn't that same success happen again?

If McCown is the opening day starter.

WSS

Can't argue with that.

In Chicago WITH a good running game - McCown was a very pleasant surprise and well liked by the fans. His critics like to over-emphasize the Tampa experience; BUT his running game ranked about 31st for a good portion of the year. I think our offense and running game in particular is built more like Chicago's was - only I like our oline way better.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@wargograw said:
Come on, you know that. All of human nature is built on it.

Yeah, I know. I'm just taking my anger on the stupidity of the front office out on you.

I'm a firm believer in not letting the past dictate current behavior, especially when it comes to drafting. Brady Quinn being a terrible bust has absolutely no influence whatsoever on what a QB prospect will do in this year's draft, yet fans (and haters) everywhere like to scream "OH GOD BRADY QUINN, TIM COUCH, BRANDON WEEDEN. WE DONT NEED TO TAKE A FIRST ROUND GUY LOOK AT TOM BRADY".

On a similar note, I think, in some small way, the guys who get paid to make the mocks (Kiper, McShay, etc.) actually have a very slight influence on how the draft pans out. Sure, most teams are going to pick who they want to pick to fill their needs. But I think there have been some shitty front offices (like many of our previous regimes) that see a trend of receivers going early and they panic, throw out their scouting report and overvalue a prospect solely because they're worried on losing out on a huge prospect.

It's a self-perpetuating cycle. One week, Kiper says "Oh I can see so-and-so receiver go to Jacksonville at #7, way ahead of his predicted slot at #25, because they have XYZ needs and he's a physical freak. It may be a reach but that's what they need." Then McShay says "Well, in that case, I see this receiver going even earlier to New York as #5, because he had a better combine performance and fits that need and loves Jay-Z".......and then you have two guys who are arbitrarily mocked earlier that they maybe should have been, which then throws off everyone.

Now, when the draft rolls around and that guy who WAS mocked to go to New York "falls" to Cleveland at #8 or whatever, Cleveland panics and takes him just because he was "expected" to go to New York, and the perceived value is there (even though his original ranking was closer to the end of the first).

So, my solution is...fuck mock drafts. Fuck Mel Kiper and fuck Todd McShay. Fuck Walter Football. If you actually work for an NFL organization, throw away your TV after the Super Bowl and don't buy another one until the day after the draft. Scout your players, discover your needs, and pick based on value and fit, not based on historical trends and current mock leanings.

Mark O

@flugel said:

Can't argue with that.

In Chicago WITH a good running game - McCown was a very pleasant surprise and well liked by the fans. His critics like to over-emphasize the Tampa experience; BUT his running game ranked about 31st for a good portion of the year. I think our offense and running game in particular is built more like Chicago's was - only I like our oline way better.

If he can hit the deep ball with any success, he's a big improvement over Hoyer. How many close games were lost that would've been won if we had scored just one more TD. The first Baltimore game comes to mind as one that Hoyer missed several deep passes on guys wide open.