Grayson Works Out For Browns
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Of all the QB prospects this year, he was the only one who played in a traditional pro style offense.
I'm not sure if I'd call it a traditional pro style by any teams. It reminds me a lot of what they do in Denver. Base 11 personnel.
Some pistol, some twin spits, 5 wide and at times under center with a single back.
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Of all the QB prospects this year, he was the only one who played in a traditional pro style offense.
I'm not sure if I'd call it a traditional pro style by any teams. It reminds me a lot of what they do in Denver. Base 11 personnel.
Some pistol, some twin spits, 5 wide and at times under center with a single back.
I'm not sure if I'd call it a traditional pro style by any teams. It reminds me a lot of what they do in Denver. Base 11 personnel.
Some pistol, some twin spits, 5 wide and at times under center with a single back.
Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.
He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
He is 23 but turns 24 in May.
NFL.com compares him to Landry Jones, which is far from impressive....
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He is 23 but turns 24 in May.
NFL.com compares him to Landry Jones, which is far from impressive....
He is 23 but turns 24 in May.
NFL.com compares him to Landry Jones, which is far from impressive....
Who?
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Grayson isn't the answer ffs he has very a low ceiling, I hope Farmer isn't this stupid
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He is 23 but turns 24 in May.
NFL.com compares him to Landry Jones, which is far from impressive....
Who?
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I'm not sure if I'd call it a traditional pro style by any teams. It reminds me a lot of what they do in Denver. Base 11 personnel.
Some pistol, some twin spits, 5 wide and at times under center with a single back.
Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.
He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.
Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.
He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.
Then your priorities on what matters when selecting a QB are backwards. If whats between his ears looks good, his athletic ability is a far distant 2nd place issue.
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I'm not sure if I'd call it a traditional pro style by any teams. It reminds me a lot of what they do in Denver. Base 11 personnel.
Some pistol, some twin spits, 5 wide and at times under center with a single back.
Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.
He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.
Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.
He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.
If that is the case it might be worth throwing a late 3rd or 4th to get him. You never know what guys who work in NFL conditioning may do.
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I would guess statistically more defenders and OL work out in the top 3 rounds than QBs, particularly on a defensive team with a defensive head coach, but I don't actually know.
I'm sure they do. But what I'm saying is...how do past players and coaches have any effect on the success of any players we pick?
I'm sure they do. But what I'm saying is...how do past players and coaches have any effect on the success of any players we pick?
Come on, you know that. All of human nature is built on it.
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manziel is the only one with an upside that you mentioned? upside to what, falling off the wagon?
every player in every draft since the beginning of drafts have had question marks. dude even winston and mariota have question marks.
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Last season when everything else was in place and working well together we won games with Brian Hoyer at quarterback. So what does Brian Hoyer do better than Josh McCown? In which areas is he a superior player? If it's nothing why couldn't that same success happen again?
If McCown is the opening day starter.
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Last season when everything else was in place and working well together we won games with Brian Hoyer at quarterback. So what does Brian Hoyer do better than Josh McCown? In which areas is he a superior player? If it's nothing why couldn't that same success happen again?
If McCown is the opening day starter.
WSS
Can't argue with that.
In Chicago WITH a good running game - McCown was a very pleasant surprise and well liked by the fans. His critics like to over-emphasize the Tampa experience; BUT his running game ranked about 31st for a good portion of the year. I think our offense and running game in particular is built more like Chicago's was - only I like our oline way better.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'm sure they do. But what I'm saying is...how do past players and coaches have any effect on the success of any players we pick?
Come on, you know that. All of human nature is built on it.
Come on, you know that. All of human nature is built on it.
Yeah, I know. I'm just taking my anger on the stupidity of the front office out on you.
I'm a firm believer in not letting the past dictate current behavior, especially when it comes to drafting. Brady Quinn being a terrible bust has absolutely no influence whatsoever on what a QB prospect will do in this year's draft, yet fans (and haters) everywhere like to scream "OH GOD BRADY QUINN, TIM COUCH, BRANDON WEEDEN. WE DONT NEED TO TAKE A FIRST ROUND GUY LOOK AT TOM BRADY".
On a similar note, I think, in some small way, the guys who get paid to make the mocks (Kiper, McShay, etc.) actually have a very slight influence on how the draft pans out. Sure, most teams are going to pick who they want to pick to fill their needs. But I think there have been some shitty front offices (like many of our previous regimes) that see a trend of receivers going early and they panic, throw out their scouting report and overvalue a prospect solely because they're worried on losing out on a huge prospect.
It's a self-perpetuating cycle. One week, Kiper says "Oh I can see so-and-so receiver go to Jacksonville at #7, way ahead of his predicted slot at #25, because they have XYZ needs and he's a physical freak. It may be a reach but that's what they need." Then McShay says "Well, in that case, I see this receiver going even earlier to New York as #5, because he had a better combine performance and fits that need and loves Jay-Z".......and then you have two guys who are arbitrarily mocked earlier that they maybe should have been, which then throws off everyone.
Now, when the draft rolls around and that guy who WAS mocked to go to New York "falls" to Cleveland at #8 or whatever, Cleveland panics and takes him just because he was "expected" to go to New York, and the perceived value is there (even though his original ranking was closer to the end of the first).
So, my solution is...fuck mock drafts. Fuck Mel Kiper and fuck Todd McShay. Fuck Walter Football. If you actually work for an NFL organization, throw away your TV after the Super Bowl and don't buy another one until the day after the draft. Scout your players, discover your needs, and pick based on value and fit, not based on historical trends and current mock leanings.
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Last season when everything else was in place and working well together we won games with Brian Hoyer at quarterback. So what does Brian Hoyer do better than Josh McCown? In which areas is he a superior player? If it's nothing why couldn't that same success happen again?
If McCown is the opening day starter.
WSS
Can't argue with that.
In Chicago WITH a good running game - McCown was a very pleasant surprise and well liked by the fans. His critics like to over-emphasize the Tampa experience; BUT his running game ranked about 31st for a good portion of the year. I think our offense and running game in particular is built more like Chicago's was - only I like our oline way better.
Can't argue with that.
In Chicago WITH a good running game - McCown was a very pleasant surprise and well liked by the fans. His critics like to over-emphasize the Tampa experience; BUT his running game ranked about 31st for a good portion of the year. I think our offense and running game in particular is built more like Chicago's was - only I like our oline way better.
If he can hit the deep ball with any success, he's a big improvement over Hoyer. How many close games were lost that would've been won if we had scored just one more TD. The first Baltimore game comes to mind as one that Hoyer missed several deep passes on guys wide open.
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I believe he's implying he doesn't feel the top tier QB's are franchise changers. In which I'm inclined to agree.
Exactly, assuming you mean in this draft class. Winston being the exception IMO but of course if 11 other teams pass on him, the smart play is probably just doing the same.
Is Grayson "top tier"? I ask, because this was not a thread about JW or MM...
So long as you do not have a franchise QB on the roster you have to be willing to spend a Day 2 pick on a prospect with a good chance of developing to starter level. I don't think Grayson or Hundley qualify, but I think Petty does. Good chance would lie somewhere in the 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 range.
Day 3 prospects with #2 potential and low chance of starter have to be considered. Low chance ~ 1 in 10...
UDFAs? Cast a net...
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Because you can either take a likely unsuccessful QB or a defender or OL that's likely to be a solid starter in 1-3 years.
Because you can either take a likely unsuccessful QB or a defender or OL that's likely to be a solid starter in 1-3 years.
So because QB is the hardest position to project, stay away?
It's riskier to draft a QB, but the reward of hitting on one is higher than any other position. You cannot consider the risk without considering the reward.
Some pistol, some twin spits, 5 wide and at times under center with a single back.
And there it is... Pro Style = Takes Snaps Under Center
Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.
He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.
Then your priorities on what matters when selecting a QB are backwards. If whats between his ears looks good, his athletic ability is a far distant 2nd place issue.
Only after an athletic threshold is surpassed. Athletically Grayson looks very borderline to me.
So, my solution is...fuck mock drafts. Fuck Mel Kiper and fuck Todd McShay. Fuck Walter Football.
So long as you exempt The Browns Board Mock...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Because you can either take a likely unsuccessful QB or a defender or OL that's likely to be a solid starter in 1-3 years.
So because QB is the hardest position to project, stay away?
It's riskier to draft a QB, but the reward of hitting on one is higher than any other position. You cannot consider the risk without considering the reward.
Some pistol, some twin spits, 5 wide and at times under center with a single back.
And there it is... Pro Style = Takes Snaps Under Center
Grayson reminds me of Manning, and not in a good way.
He's 23(?) and he already looks as athletic as a 40-year old with neck issues. I like what goes on in Grayson's head, but athletically he leaves something to be desired.
Then your priorities on what matters when selecting a QB are backwards. If whats between his ears looks good, his athletic ability is a far distant 2nd place issue.
Only after an athletic threshold is surpassed. Athletically Grayson looks very borderline to me.
So, my solution is...fuck mock drafts. Fuck Mel Kiper and fuck Todd McShay. Fuck Walter Football.
So long as you exempt The Browns Board Mock...
So because QB is the hardest position to project, stay away?
It's riskier to draft a QB, but the reward of hitting on one is higher than any other position. You cannot consider the risk without considering the reward.
And there it is... Pro Style = Takes Snaps Under Center
Only after an athletic threshold is surpassed. Athletically Grayson looks very borderline to me.
So long as you exempt The Browns Board Mock...
I guess I consider a pro style offense to be under center at least 35-40% of your snaps. Colorado State sure doesn't look like they're anywhere near that margin. However Grayson, unlike most other QB this draft save for Winston, actually has some experience under center.
Most great QB's in today's game are limited athletes. I'm trying to think of elite passers that are elite scramblers and only Rodgers and Luck come to mind.
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Peyton and Brady are so athletic.... more than Grayson?
Like Marino and Stabler were athletic?
Joe Namath with the decripit knees?
I think not. By that standard, you wouldn't have Sipe or Kosar as your qb's.
A lot of qb's can have athletic talent, and an arm...but it's the qb brain and heart
that is a lot tougher to find.
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This whole 'athletic QB' thing is a recent manifestation that really hasn't proven out.....
It's fairly established that QB's with just a brain and an arm can succeed at a high level......and the ability to run has been just an extra bonus...
but, now, it's all the rage. Except these "amazing physical specimens" really haven't done or won enough to establish that "legs" are more important than "arms & brains".....or even needed to succeed....
Ill take a Brady, Manning, Marino type over a Newton, Manziel or Vick everyday of the week.....(and, especially, on Sundays)
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