2014 Rookie draft class winners
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OK, but what are those rankings at the end.......is that how they fared vis a vis ALL players at their position in the NFL?
e.g. you say Bito was the "2d OG". Do you mean he rated second of all OGs in the entire league....including all veterans?
Do you mean that KMack was THE best OLB in the entire NFL.
Or is that where they were picked in the draft in comparison to all others at that position?
Clarify.
OK, but what are those rankings at the end.......is that how they fared vis a vis ALL players at their position in the NFL?
e.g. you say Bito was the "2d OG". Do you mean he rated second of all OGs in the entire league....including all veterans?
Do you mean that KMack was THE best OLB in the entire NFL.
Or is that where they were picked in the draft in comparison to all others at that position?
Clarify.
Where they were picked relative to their position, as stated, Mack was "1st OLB (picked)"
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OK, but what are those rankings at the end.......is that how they fared vis a vis ALL players at their position in the NFL?
e.g. you say Bito was the "2d OG". Do you mean he rated second of all OGs in the entire league....including all veterans?
Do you mean that KMack was THE best OLB in the entire NFL.
Or is that where they were picked in the draft in comparison to all others at that position?
Clarify.
OK, but what are those rankings at the end.......is that how they fared vis a vis ALL players at their position in the NFL?
e.g. you say Bito was the "2d OG". Do you mean he rated second of all OGs in the entire league....including all veterans?
Do you mean that KMack was THE best OLB in the entire NFL.
Or is that where they were picked in the draft in comparison to all others at that position?
Clarify.
Chris got it....the last number indicates where they were picked relative to their position....and these rankings are rookie only....
so, it's simply a list that show #1 at each position(where they were picked) and how many others were selected ahead of them
then I listed them best to worst..... the top ones had 'elite" rankings within the entire NFL.....Bito , Kmack, Donald, Borland, Beckham all rated at the very top amongst all players........but thats for another list....
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So.... Mack should be:
K. Mack OLB / Oak.......Rnd 1 (5) 1st OLB (picked) ???And Mack was PFF's top rookie?
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So.... Mack should be:
K. Mack OLB / Oak.......Rnd 1 (5) 1st OLB (picked) ???And Mack was PFF's top rookie?
So.... Mack should be:
K. Mack OLB / Oak.......Rnd 1 (5) 1st OLB (picked) ???
And Mack was PFF's top rookie?
Fixed...Thanks
Yes....K Mack actually had the highest rating of any player in the NFL......55. something......off the charts.....a 20+ would be considered elite.......our examples.....Bito 22, Joe Thomas 33.....so, 55 is WOW
whoops.....correction.....JJ Watt is #1 at +107.5......holy effing crap!!!!
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107.5 good lord. Can you just post the top 20 or so players?
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107.5 good lord. Can you just post the top 20 or so players?
I have the top rookies figured already....so here they are.....these are the top 15 rookies, regardless of position......their pff score is the last # listed......and for reference, anything over 20 would be an elite "all-pro" type season.....10-19 would be very good(pro-bowlish).....3-10 would be very good(above average play)........
1) K. Mack OLB / Oak......Rnd 1(5) 55.3
2) A. Donald DT/ StL...........Rnd 1(13) 34.4
3) J. Bitonio OG/ Browns....Rnd 2(35) 22.4
4) Z. Martin OG/Dallas.......Rnd 1(16) 21.6
5) C. Borland ILB/ SF........... Rnd 3(77) 20.8
6) O. Beckham WR/ NYG.........Rnd 1(12) 20.4
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The 6 players above all rated over 20(elite) and were among the top 2-3 players in the NFL...at their respective positions....
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7) B. Linder OG/Jax...........Rnd 3(93) 16.6
C. Mosley ILB/Balt...........Rnd 1(17) 11.39) M. Evans WR/TB...........Rnd 1(7) 10.2
10)C. Linsley C / GB.............Rnd 5(161) 10.0
11)A. Baar OLB/Minn........Rnd 1(9) 9.3
12)T. Jernigan DE/Balt............Rnd 2(48) 8.9
13) K. Williams CB/ Browns.....UDFA 8.7
14) A. Norwell OG/Car ..........UDFA 8.5
15)B. Benwikere CB/Car............Rnd 5(148) 7.6
So....there they are....your 15 top rookies for 2014.......how many on this list would you have predicted?.....for me, maybe just a few........
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and here are your overall 10 highest rated players....flat out.....all positions/all NFL.....
1) JJ Watt.............DE.........107.5
2) K. Mack...........OLB........55.3.....*rookie
3) V. Miller...........OLB........54.0
4) J. Houston.......OLB........51.1
5) M. Yanda........OG..........43.4
6) A. Rodgers......QB.........40.0
7) S. Richardson..DE.........39.9
J. Peters..........OT.........38.29) A. Whitworth....OT.........36.8
10) A. Donald........DT.........34.4.....*rookie
And not too many surprises here........all top players.......
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107.5 good lord. Can you just post the top 20 or so players?
I have the top rookies figured already....so here they are.....these are the top 15 rookies, regardless of position......their pff score is the last # listed......and for reference, anything over 20 would be an elite "all-pro" type season.....10-19 would be very good(pro-bowlish).....3-10 would be very good(above average play)........
1) K. Mack OLB / Oak......Rnd 1(5) 55.3
2) A. Donald DT/ StL...........Rnd 1(13) 34.4
3) J. Bitonio OG/ Browns....Rnd 2(35) 22.4
4) Z. Martin OG/Dallas.......Rnd 1(16) 21.6
5) C. Borland ILB/ SF........... Rnd 3(77) 20.8
6) O. Beckham WR/ NYG.........Rnd 1(12) 20.4
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The 6 players above all rated over 20(elite) and were among the top 2-3 players in the NFL...at their respective positions....
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7) B. Linder OG/Jax...........Rnd 3(93) 16.6
C. Mosley ILB/Balt...........Rnd 1(17) 11.39) M. Evans WR/TB...........Rnd 1(7) 10.2
10)C. Linsley C / GB.............Rnd 5(161) 10.0
11)A. Baar OLB/Minn........Rnd 1(9) 9.3
12)T. Jernigan DE/Balt............Rnd 2(48) 8.9
13) K. Williams CB/ Browns.....UDFA 8.7
14) A. Norwell OG/Car ..........UDFA 8.5
15)B. Benwikere CB/Car............Rnd 5(148) 7.6
So....there they are....your 15 top rookies for 2014.......how many on this list would you have predicted?.....for me, maybe just a few........
So....there they are....your 15 top rookies for 2014.......how many on this list would you have predicted?.....for me, maybe just a few........
Put me down for three... Mack, Borland and Linder.
I am surprised Mosely did not rate higher.
and here are your overall 10 highest rated players....flat out.....all positions/all NFL.....
And not too many surprises here........all top players.......
Interesting breakdown.... 3 OLBs (2-4), 2 DEs, 2 OTs, 1 OG, 1 DT... and a QB in a Pear Tree...
Do you happen to have Joe Thomas' rating for reference?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So....there they are....your 15 top rookies for 2014.......how many on this list would you have predicted?.....for me, maybe just a few........
Put me down for three... Mack, Borland and Linder.
I am surprised Mosely did not rate higher.
and here are your overall 10 highest rated players....flat out.....all positions/all NFL.....
And not too many surprises here........all top players.......
Interesting breakdown.... 3 OLBs (2-4), 2 DEs, 2 OTs, 1 OG, 1 DT... and a QB in a Pear Tree...
Do you happen to have Joe Thomas' rating for reference?
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Even though this is just a one season analysis, it tells me what I already knew, all the time, money and effort that goes into talent evaluation by NFL teams is worthless. It's a crap shoot. 3 UDFA's on the list? Oh well, it is after all, a league where the best QB in its history was selected in the 6th round.
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Thanks mudfly! I need to get myself an account soon. I'm curious how Mack's stats were so average.
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Thanks mudfly! I need to get myself an account soon. I'm curious how Mack's stats were so average.
Thanks mudfly! I need to get myself an account soon. I'm curious how Mack's stats were so average.
Mack?......not sure if asking about our Mack .....or K. Mack......??.......K Mack was off the charts good at 55
Alex Mack had a great score (for 5 games)......since you get a score each week, your overall score is cumulative.....For his 5 games, Mack had a 6.9, which is pretty good even for 16 games......if you project the same performance over 16, he would have scored a 22.1 and been rated #2 center in the league(Mangold had a 22.6)....
So, Id say....both Macks were well above average.......
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Even though this is just a one season analysis, it tells me what I already knew, all the time, money and effort that goes into talent evaluation by NFL teams is worthless. It's a crap shoot. 3 UDFA's on the list? Oh well, it is after all, a league where the best QB in its history was selected in the 6th round.
Even though this is just a one season analysis, it tells me what I already knew, all the time, money and effort that goes into talent evaluation by NFL teams is worthless. It's a crap shoot. 3 UDFA's on the list? Oh well, it is after all, a league where the best QB in its history was selected in the 6th round.
Same data... different conclusion...
If it's a crap shoot with all the scouting that is done, I hate to think how poor the selecting would be without it.
And while you'd get a lot of arguments about Brady being the best ever... in the roll call of HOF QBs, there are quite a number of low draft choices or UDFAs and/or were released from their original teams.
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Thanks mudfly! I need to get myself an account soon. I'm curious how Mack's stats were so average.
Mack?......not sure if asking about our Mack .....or K. Mack......??.......K Mack was off the charts good at 55
Alex Mack had a great score (for 5 games)......since you get a score each week, your overall score is cumulative.....For his 5 games, Mack had a 6.9, which is pretty good even for 16 games......if you project the same performance over 16, he would have scored a 22.1 and been rated #2 center in the league(Mangold had a 22.6)....
So, Id say....both Macks were well above average.......
Mack?......not sure if asking about our Mack .....or K. Mack......??.......K Mack was off the charts good at 55
Alex Mack had a great score (for 5 games)......since you get a score each week, your overall score is cumulative.....For his 5 games, Mack had a 6.9, which is pretty good even for 16 games......if you project the same performance over 16, he would have scored a 22.1 and been rated #2 center in the league(Mangold had a 22.6)....
So, Id say....both Macks were well above average.......
I mean his actual stats. 55 tackles, 4 sacks.
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Mack?......not sure if asking about our Mack .....or K. Mack......??.......K Mack was off the charts good at 55
Alex Mack had a great score (for 5 games)......since you get a score each week, your overall score is cumulative.....For his 5 games, Mack had a 6.9, which is pretty good even for 16 games......if you project the same performance over 16, he would have scored a 22.1 and been rated #2 center in the league(Mangold had a 22.6)....
So, Id say....both Macks were well above average.......
I mean his actual stats. 55 tackles, 4 sacks.
I mean his actual stats. 55 tackles, 4 sacks.
It's Oakland. Teams probably played away from him. Opposite to Skrine getting a load of INTs because teams attacked him, not Haden, I guess.
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