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  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dgsAn?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=cleveland-browns

    Most players are there, but Gipson's not joining up just yet. A story or a nothing?

    "...Gipson, who's not technically under contract and has made it known he wasn't thrilled to receive the second-round tender, is opting to work out at home instead of joining the rest of his teammates at the Browns facility in Berea"

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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    Im sure they'll make it a story, but he's not under contract so Id think it would be normal practice not to be there.....(and it would probably be strongly advised by his agent NOT to risk injury or workout until he's signed)......

  • Im sure they'll make it a story, but he's not under contract so Id think it would be normal practice not to be there.....(and it would probably be strongly advised by his agent NOT to risk injury or workout until he's signed)......

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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    @mudfly said:

    Im sure they'll make it a story, but he's not under contract so Id think it would be normal practice not to be there.....(and it would probably be strongly advised by his agent NOT to risk injury or workout until he's signed)......

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions. I'd be pissed if I were a fan. They offered him a tender and he's getting huffy puffy about it. He's on a mini hold out.

  • @mudfly said:

    Im sure they'll make it a story, but he's not under contract so Id think it would be normal practice not to be there.....(and it would probably be strongly advised by his agent NOT to risk injury or workout until he's signed)......

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions. I'd be pissed if I were a fan. They offered him a tender and he's getting huffy puffy about it. He's on a mini hold out.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @vagitron said:

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions. I'd be pissed if I were a fan. They offered him a tender and he's getting huffy puffy about it. He's on a mini hold out.

    I am not sure what he expected the team to do. Didn't they have to do that to keep his rights? Did he want them to renegotiate for a long term deal at this point? Isn't that why he has an agent? He can tell his agent to start talks on a long term deal. He has to bear some responsibility for his own situation, no?

  • @vagitron said:

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions. I'd be pissed if I were a fan. They offered him a tender and he's getting huffy puffy about it. He's on a mini hold out.

    I am not sure what he expected the team to do. Didn't they have to do that to keep his rights? Did he want them to renegotiate for a long term deal at this point? Isn't that why he has an agent? He can tell his agent to start talks on a long term deal. He has to bear some responsibility for his own situation, no?

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    I am not sure what he expected the team to do. Didn't they have to do that to keep his rights? Did he want them to renegotiate for a long term deal at this point? Isn't that why he has an agent? He can tell his agent to start talks on a long term deal. He has to bear some responsibility for his own situation, no?

    Yea, he received a tender because the team wants him to stay but the first round tender pays more so I'm guessing he's pissed. He's solid for you guys but I don't know that he's worth a first round tender, not yet at least. He should be at voluntary.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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    it's called contract negotiations. plain and simple.

    you give a star what they want or they pout and do things like this. ask darrel revis the king of contract negotiators and holding out and pissing of a fanbase.

  • VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by Vagitron
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    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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    Gipson honored a cheap rookie contract and delivered great play at a bargain price. Now he feels he should be paid.

    Had it not been for the ACL, I think he would have been paid... and handsomely. But the ACL did happen so now we're hedging... and that is understandable as well. But I do not expect Gip to appreciate that perspective.

    As soon as he shows his knee is sound and he is ready to pick back up where he left off, then I think a deal gets done and he's a happy Brown again.

  • Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @vagitron said:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    Mike Wallace walked away.....why wouldn't this guy?

  • @mudfly said:

    Im sure they'll make it a story, but he's not under contract so Id think it would be normal practice not to be there.....(and it would probably be strongly advised by his agent NOT to risk injury or workout until he's signed)......

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions. I'd be pissed if I were a fan. They offered him a tender and he's getting huffy puffy about it. He's on a mini hold out.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly
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    @vagitron said:

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions......... He's on a mini hold out......

    ??...as opposed to involuntary sessions?.....Totally disagree.....one bad cut on that recently repaired knee and it could over....

    He's on a mini holdout?.....Thats ridiculous.....he's a freaking FREE AGENT and the signing period is still open doofus....what free agent EVER works out and plays for a team they aren't even signed too....doh

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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    Figured this was going to get messy. Do not remember Mack missing voluntary on Jags offer sheet? I thought Farmer did the player right on a 2nd round tender to get his agents phone to ring on more offers on a sheet than a 1st round tender would have? The Cap space just got smaller as of Today and got no idea what the fair market value would be on a 1 year wonder like Gibson regardless possible knee issue...

  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on last edited by
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    I had a feeling too that they should have tendered him for a first round pick that would mean another million. He wasn't happy about the money and the Browns need to sign this guy. They had the cap space to tender him for a first round. They better not lose this guy by being cheap.

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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    No team offered the 2nd round pick so he has to be fully aware that his stock was not as high as he previously thought.

  • Figured this was going to get messy. Do not remember Mack missing voluntary on Jags offer sheet? I thought Farmer did the player right on a 2nd round tender to get his agents phone to ring on more offers on a sheet than a 1st round tender would have? The Cap space just got smaller as of Today and got no idea what the fair market value would be on a 1 year wonder like Gibson regardless possible knee issue...

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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    @gumby73 said:

    Figured this was going to get messy. Do not remember Mack missing voluntary on Jags offer sheet?

    I dont see it being messy at all.......just standard, everyday contract stuff......and, yes, Mack sat out the first mini camp because he wasn't signed(no one thought that was odd tho).....

    Bottom line is there is nothing for them to talk about....the contract is there "on the table" and he has one more week to find a better one....no need for him to sign today, just in case someone calls......

    @opal312 said:

    They better not lose this guy by being cheap.

    How will they lose him?.....the Browns have extended a contract to him and he's declined to sign so he can shop around. Not one team has made an offer....and if they do, we can match.....and if he doesnt get an offer by Thursday, he's ours......

    The Browns are the driver here, not Gipson......

  • @vagitron said:

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions......... He's on a mini hold out......

    ??...as opposed to involuntary sessions?.....Totally disagree.....one bad cut on that recently repaired knee and it could over....

    He's on a mini holdout?.....Thats ridiculous.....he's a freaking FREE AGENT and the signing period is still open doofus....what free agent EVER works out and plays for a team they aren't even signed too....doh

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by Vagitron
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    @mudfly said:

    ??...as opposed to involuntary sessions?.....Totally disagree.....one bad cut on that recently repaired knee and it could over....

    He's on a mini holdout?.....Thats ridiculous.....he's a freaking FREE AGENT and the signing period is still open doofus....what free agent EVER works out and plays for a team they aren't even signed too....doh

    He's a restricted free agent isn't he? He was offered a second round tender. He's trying to get more money from the Browns. Doooooofus.
  • @vagitron said:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    Mike Wallace walked away.....why wouldn't this guy?

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Mike Wallace walked away.....why wouldn't this guy?

    Mike Wallace walked away? He was out of contract and we didn't offer him a contract like Miami. Brown is UNDER contract for another three years there is a pretty big damn difference. Smh.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Mike Wallace walked away.....why wouldn't this guy?

    Mike Wallace walked away? He was out of contract and we didn't offer him a contract like Miami. Brown is UNDER contract for another three years there is a pretty big damn difference. Smh.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @vagitron said:

    Mike Wallace walked away? He was out of contract and we didn't offer him a contract like Miami. Brown is UNDER contract for another three years there is a pretty big damn difference. Smh.

    Well, your quote here made it sound like he would be with the Steelers out of love of the organization or city:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    So, then the "long haul" is simply the length of his monetary deal.....not his loyalty to queen and country.

  • @vagitron said:

    Mike Wallace walked away? He was out of contract and we didn't offer him a contract like Miami. Brown is UNDER contract for another three years there is a pretty big damn difference. Smh.

    Well, your quote here made it sound like he would be with the Steelers out of love of the organization or city:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    So, then the "long haul" is simply the length of his monetary deal.....not his loyalty to queen and country.

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
    #18

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, your quote here made it sound like he would be with the Steelers out of love of the organization or city:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    So, then the "long haul" is simply the length of his monetary deal.....not his loyalty to queen and country.

    . I anticipate when the time comes brown is going to get the contract he wants and it will be from the steelers. He's not next up. Guys like heyward and beachum are and the steelers don't bend on this stuff.
  • @the-gipper said:

    Well, your quote here made it sound like he would be with the Steelers out of love of the organization or city:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    So, then the "long haul" is simply the length of his monetary deal.....not his loyalty to queen and country.

    . I anticipate when the time comes brown is going to get the contract he wants and it will be from the steelers. He's not next up. Guys like heyward and beachum are and the steelers don't bend on this stuff.
    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @vagitron said:

    . I anticipate when the time comes brown is going to get the contract he wants and it will be from the steelers. He's not next up. Guys like heyward and beachum are and the steelers don't bend on this stuff.

    Squeeze him while you got him.

  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on last edited by
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    Per ESPN any player who hasn't signed his tender is not allowed at workouts.