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  • @vagitron said:

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions. I'd be pissed if I were a fan. They offered him a tender and he's getting huffy puffy about it. He's on a mini hold out.

    I am not sure what he expected the team to do. Didn't they have to do that to keep his rights? Did he want them to renegotiate for a long term deal at this point? Isn't that why he has an agent? He can tell his agent to start talks on a long term deal. He has to bear some responsibility for his own situation, no?

    @the-gipper said:

    I am not sure what he expected the team to do. Didn't they have to do that to keep his rights? Did he want them to renegotiate for a long term deal at this point? Isn't that why he has an agent? He can tell his agent to start talks on a long term deal. He has to bear some responsibility for his own situation, no?

    Yea, he received a tender because the team wants him to stay but the first round tender pays more so I'm guessing he's pissed. He's solid for you guys but I don't know that he's worth a first round tender, not yet at least. He should be at voluntary.

  • it's called contract negotiations. plain and simple.

    you give a star what they want or they pout and do things like this. ask darrel revis the king of contract negotiators and holding out and pissing of a fanbase.

  • Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

  • Gipson honored a cheap rookie contract and delivered great play at a bargain price. Now he feels he should be paid.

    Had it not been for the ACL, I think he would have been paid... and handsomely. But the ACL did happen so now we're hedging... and that is understandable as well. But I do not expect Gip to appreciate that perspective.

    As soon as he shows his knee is sound and he is ready to pick back up where he left off, then I think a deal gets done and he's a happy Brown again.

  • Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    @vagitron said:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    Mike Wallace walked away.....why wouldn't this guy?

  • @mudfly said:

    Im sure they'll make it a story, but he's not under contract so Id think it would be normal practice not to be there.....(and it would probably be strongly advised by his agent NOT to risk injury or workout until he's signed)......

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions. I'd be pissed if I were a fan. They offered him a tender and he's getting huffy puffy about it. He's on a mini hold out.

    @vagitron said:

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions......... He's on a mini hold out......

    ??...as opposed to involuntary sessions?.....Totally disagree.....one bad cut on that recently repaired knee and it could over....

    He's on a mini holdout?.....Thats ridiculous.....he's a freaking FREE AGENT and the signing period is still open doofus....what free agent EVER works out and plays for a team they aren't even signed too....doh

  • Figured this was going to get messy. Do not remember Mack missing voluntary on Jags offer sheet? I thought Farmer did the player right on a 2nd round tender to get his agents phone to ring on more offers on a sheet than a 1st round tender would have? The Cap space just got smaller as of Today and got no idea what the fair market value would be on a 1 year wonder like Gibson regardless possible knee issue...

  • I had a feeling too that they should have tendered him for a first round pick that would mean another million. He wasn't happy about the money and the Browns need to sign this guy. They had the cap space to tender him for a first round. They better not lose this guy by being cheap.

  • No team offered the 2nd round pick so he has to be fully aware that his stock was not as high as he previously thought.

  • Figured this was going to get messy. Do not remember Mack missing voluntary on Jags offer sheet? I thought Farmer did the player right on a 2nd round tender to get his agents phone to ring on more offers on a sheet than a 1st round tender would have? The Cap space just got smaller as of Today and got no idea what the fair market value would be on a 1 year wonder like Gibson regardless possible knee issue...

    @gumby73 said:

    Figured this was going to get messy. Do not remember Mack missing voluntary on Jags offer sheet?

    I dont see it being messy at all.......just standard, everyday contract stuff......and, yes, Mack sat out the first mini camp because he wasn't signed(no one thought that was odd tho).....

    Bottom line is there is nothing for them to talk about....the contract is there "on the table" and he has one more week to find a better one....no need for him to sign today, just in case someone calls......

    @opal312 said:

    They better not lose this guy by being cheap.

    How will they lose him?.....the Browns have extended a contract to him and he's declined to sign so he can shop around. Not one team has made an offer....and if they do, we can match.....and if he doesnt get an offer by Thursday, he's ours......

    The Browns are the driver here, not Gipson......

  • @vagitron said:

    Its kind of hard to get hurt at voluntary sessions......... He's on a mini hold out......

    ??...as opposed to involuntary sessions?.....Totally disagree.....one bad cut on that recently repaired knee and it could over....

    He's on a mini holdout?.....Thats ridiculous.....he's a freaking FREE AGENT and the signing period is still open doofus....what free agent EVER works out and plays for a team they aren't even signed too....doh

    @mudfly said:

    ??...as opposed to involuntary sessions?.....Totally disagree.....one bad cut on that recently repaired knee and it could over....

    He's on a mini holdout?.....Thats ridiculous.....he's a freaking FREE AGENT and the signing period is still open doofus....what free agent EVER works out and plays for a team they aren't even signed too....doh

    He's a restricted free agent isn't he? He was offered a second round tender. He's trying to get more money from the Browns. Doooooofus.
  • @vagitron said:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    Mike Wallace walked away.....why wouldn't this guy?

    @the-gipper said:

    Mike Wallace walked away.....why wouldn't this guy?

    Mike Wallace walked away? He was out of contract and we didn't offer him a contract like Miami. Brown is UNDER contract for another three years there is a pretty big damn difference. Smh.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Mike Wallace walked away.....why wouldn't this guy?

    Mike Wallace walked away? He was out of contract and we didn't offer him a contract like Miami. Brown is UNDER contract for another three years there is a pretty big damn difference. Smh.

    @vagitron said:

    Mike Wallace walked away? He was out of contract and we didn't offer him a contract like Miami. Brown is UNDER contract for another three years there is a pretty big damn difference. Smh.

    Well, your quote here made it sound like he would be with the Steelers out of love of the organization or city:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    So, then the "long haul" is simply the length of his monetary deal.....not his loyalty to queen and country.

  • @vagitron said:

    Mike Wallace walked away? He was out of contract and we didn't offer him a contract like Miami. Brown is UNDER contract for another three years there is a pretty big damn difference. Smh.

    Well, your quote here made it sound like he would be with the Steelers out of love of the organization or city:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    So, then the "long haul" is simply the length of his monetary deal.....not his loyalty to queen and country.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, your quote here made it sound like he would be with the Steelers out of love of the organization or city:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    So, then the "long haul" is simply the length of his monetary deal.....not his loyalty to queen and country.

    . I anticipate when the time comes brown is going to get the contract he wants and it will be from the steelers. He's not next up. Guys like heyward and beachum are and the steelers don't bend on this stuff.
  • @the-gipper said:

    Well, your quote here made it sound like he would be with the Steelers out of love of the organization or city:

    Antonio Brown is apparently doing the same thing. He is underpaid but he has three years remaining and he's not underpaid by much. I expect him to be a steeler for the long haul but the steelers play hard ball with this stuff. Its going to.be interesting.

    So, then the "long haul" is simply the length of his monetary deal.....not his loyalty to queen and country.

    . I anticipate when the time comes brown is going to get the contract he wants and it will be from the steelers. He's not next up. Guys like heyward and beachum are and the steelers don't bend on this stuff.

    @vagitron said:

    . I anticipate when the time comes brown is going to get the contract he wants and it will be from the steelers. He's not next up. Guys like heyward and beachum are and the steelers don't bend on this stuff.

    Squeeze him while you got him.

  • Per ESPN any player who hasn't signed his tender is not allowed at workouts.

  • Why does Mary Kay write this bullsh##...? I swear she actively tries to undermine the Browns in every way. She is garbage, and needs to disappear...

  • It's too bad that Joe Haden's younger brother Jordan Haden decided not to go to the NFL but instead join the family business after suffering multiple injuries. If he was anything like Joe we could have snagged him up and haden ourselves a secondary. lol. For real though, that sucks he quit.

  • @mudfly said:

    ??...as opposed to involuntary sessions?.....Totally disagree.....one bad cut on that recently repaired knee and it could over....

    He's on a mini holdout?.....Thats ridiculous.....he's a freaking FREE AGENT and the signing period is still open doofus....what free agent EVER works out and plays for a team they aren't even signed too....doh

    He's a restricted free agent isn't he? He was offered a second round tender. He's trying to get more money from the Browns. Doooooofus.

    @vagitron said:

    He's a restricted free agent isn't he? He was offered a second round tender. He's trying to get more money from the Browns. Doooooofus.

    Yes, he is....which means he doesn't attend a practice with a team that he's not even signed to.....ever hear of the CBA?.....

    Free Agents shop for contracts. It's what they ALL do.....and they dont play(or practice for free).....

    Your guy signed a contract and now doesn't want to honor it. He wants more than he agreed to and is now threatening to sit out or break the deal.....

    This is NOTHING like what our guy is doing.....he honored his contract.....did what he agreed to do.....and now, without sitting out or withholding services, he is using his rights as a FA to check other opportunities....

    So....if any fans should be "pissed"(as you say)....Id think the best target is Antonio Brown for not honoring his agreement to the Steelers and their fans....

  • @vagitron said:

    He's a restricted free agent isn't he? He was offered a second round tender. He's trying to get more money from the Browns. Doooooofus.

    Yes, he is....which means he doesn't attend a practice with a team that he's not even signed to.....ever hear of the CBA?.....

    Free Agents shop for contracts. It's what they ALL do.....and they dont play(or practice for free).....

    Your guy signed a contract and now doesn't want to honor it. He wants more than he agreed to and is now threatening to sit out or break the deal.....

    This is NOTHING like what our guy is doing.....he honored his contract.....did what he agreed to do.....and now, without sitting out or withholding services, he is using his rights as a FA to check other opportunities....

    So....if any fans should be "pissed"(as you say)....Id think the best target is Antonio Brown for not honoring his agreement to the Steelers and their fans....

    @mudfly said:

    Yes, he is....which means he doesn't attend a practice with a team that he's not even signed to.....ever hear of the CBA?.....

    Free Agents shop for contracts. It's what they ALL do.....and they dont play(or practice for free).....

    Your guy signed a contract and now doesn't want to honor it. He wants more than he agreed to and is now threatening to sit out or break the deal.....

    This is NOTHING like what our guy is doing.....he honored his contract.....did what he agreed to do.....and now, without sitting out or withholding services, he is using his rights as a FA to check other opportunities....

    So....if any fans should be "pissed"(as you say)....Id think the best target is Antonio Brown for not honoring his agreement to the Steelers and their fans....

    I know it's not the same. I'm also less than pleased with Brown BUT he can't break his contract. He can sit out three whole seasons and then a 4th if they decide to franchise him. He's not going to do that and he's always going to realize the steelers don't work the way he thinks they do. He's getting bad advice that's for sure.