Why u no WR?
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This FO and the TEAM believes in Josh Gordon, even if some of you do not. I know that they've seen him abstain from weed for seasons, abstain from alcohol the whole season last year only to be suspended an entire year for a technicality. It's bullshit that they are riding his balls so hard. He's a good kid, he's very talented and he's going to be a Cleveland Brown for a long time. I believe in Gordon.
#1- Josh Gordon
#2- Dwayne Bowe/Brian Hartline
#3- Andrew Hawkins
#4- Taylor Gabriel/Travis Benjamin
There really isn't room for another receiver right now. So what Farmer says makes sense. I would have loved to add DGB to this group which I think would have put them over the top but it's whatever, I really like JG, Hawk, Gabe and Benji. Hawk and Gabe can really move. I love the shifty small WRs.
I had us taking Corey Grant in a lot of Mocks just because he's so fast and small(RB), but Farmer did one better by getting Duke Johnson- I love this little pitbull at RB. He's going to be exciting, he reminds me of Jerome Harrison.
This FO and the TEAM believes in Josh Gordon, even if some of you do not. I know that they've seen him abstain from weed for seasons, abstain from alcohol the whole season last year only to be suspended an entire year for a technicality. It's bullshit that they are riding his balls so hard. He's a good kid, he's very talented and he's going to be a Cleveland Brown for a long time. I believe in Gordon.
#1- Josh Gordon
#2- Dwayne Bowe/Brian Hartline
#3- Andrew Hawkins
#4- Taylor Gabriel/Travis Benjamin
There really isn't room for another receiver right now. So what Farmer says makes sense. I would have loved to add DGB to this group which I think would have put them over the top but it's whatever, I really like JG, Hawk, Gabe and Benji. Hawk and Gabe can really move. I love the shifty small WRs.
I had us taking Corey Grant in a lot of Mocks just because he's so fast and small(RB), but Farmer did one better by getting Duke Johnson- I love this little pitbull at RB. He's going to be exciting, he reminds me of Jerome Harrison.
I doubt you will see him wearing a Browns uniform again.
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Here's 10 years worth of the TOP 2 receivers....so we can all see how they've turned their teams around.....
2006: Santonio Holmes / Chad Jackson
2007: Calvin Johnson / Tedd Ginn
2008: Donnie Avery / Devin Thomas
2009: D. Heyward-Bey/ Michael Crabtree
2010: Demarius Thomas/ Dez Bryant
2011: AJ Green / Julio Jones
2012: Justin Blackmon/ Michael Floyd
2013: Tavon Austin / DeAndre Hopkins
2014: Sammy Watkins/ Mike Evans.
So...there they are.....the last 20 top two receiver picks......total team turner arounders( HA!).....cause all these guys made their teams great!!!!!!!
Looks like the Falcons, Rams, Bucs, Bengals, Bills, Lions, Texans, Cardinals, Cowboys, Jaguars, Raiders, Redskins, Dolphins, Forty Niners and Steelers all know something we dont......
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Good stuff... from several folks starting with RR...
So we can expect a QB today? You say there's a chance?
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Yeah sorry, I didn't mean you in particular, Tourie.
I guess I'd have gone with petty if we were being forced to take a long shot quarterback.What's the rap on Brett Hundley?
(Not yours in particular, just in general)
WSS
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Well your quote mentioned qb so...
WSS
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If your relying on a WR to be what wins you 10 games, then no that is not going to work. But you need someone who can consistently get open to help take the pressure off of your mediocre QB. Ya Gordon didn't win us any games in 2013, but that was because we tried to make him the total center piece in the offense. How well did we do in games where Cameron got an equal amount of looks at Gordon. Much better. How many wins would we have won that season if we had ANYONE who could have ran the ball.
How many more games would we have won last year if Cameron was never injured, or Gordon wasn't a dip shit? We don't have terrible WR, but we also don't have someone who can get open consistently and can draw the focus of a defense. This puts more pressure on our QB. The Patriots don't need great WR's because they can sign guys off the street who can barely separate and Tom can thread them the ball. We don't have anyone at QB who can do that. So then teams focus on stacking to box to stop our run and pressure the QB.
Maybe we do better this year. I think Bowe is someone who will be able to get more separation in the middle of the field than our flock of 5'9 guys can, and I think Hartline is the kind of guy who is going to be a good safety valve to make contested catches. However I still think we need to go after someone and make the long hail mary attempt to get some sort of play maker at WR. I know your not going to find a rookie in rounds 4 or later who is capable of being a #1 WR, but lets take the chance on someone who can push some of these guys down and out of the depth chart. Shit we just spent a 1st round pick on a guy who might just being the #1 backup offensive linemen. We can spend a middle round pick on a WR that can push to be the #3 guy and put someone else out on the street.
If your relying on a WR to be what wins you 10 games, then no that is not going to work. But you need someone who can consistently get open to help take the pressure off of your mediocre QB. Ya Gordon didn't win us any games in 2013, but that was because we tried to make him the total center piece in the offense. How well did we do in games where Cameron got an equal amount of looks at Gordon. Much better. How many wins would we have won that season if we had ANYONE who could have ran the ball.
How many more games would we have won last year if Cameron was never injured, or Gordon wasn't a dip shit? We don't have terrible WR, but we also don't have someone who can get open consistently and can draw the focus of a defense. This puts more pressure on our QB. The Patriots don't need great WR's because they can sign guys off the street who can barely separate and Tom can thread them the ball. We don't have anyone at QB who can do that. So then teams focus on stacking to box to stop our run and pressure the QB.
Maybe we do better this year. I think Bowe is someone who will be able to get more separation in the middle of the field than our flock of 5'9 guys can, and I think Hartline is the kind of guy who is going to be a good safety valve to make contested catches. However I still think we need to go after someone and make the long hail mary attempt to get some sort of play maker at WR. I know your not going to find a rookie in rounds 4 or later who is capable of being a #1 WR, but lets take the chance on someone who can push some of these guys down and out of the depth chart. Shit we just spent a 1st round pick on a guy who might just being the #1 backup offensive linemen. We can spend a middle round pick on a WR that can push to be the #3 guy and put someone else out on the street.
Wow, we got our wish a WR- finally. MHO is Farmer might have taken one in the second, but there was that big run on the position right before we drafted. So he trades down, and then there's a run on LBs. Oh well.
Guess his thinking is if he builds up the o-line enough, you could pull guys off the Muni lot to run the ball, and give JFF enough time to pass, any old slug will eventually break open.
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I'm really high on this draft and would like to express my gratitude to the front office. It blows me away that they snatched Erving from the jaws of the Broncos and Patriots. We have a run stopper and much needed depth. How could anyone feel bad today? They improved in all phases with the draft and free agency. It's going to be a good year and will keep getting better because we finally have a GM and a coach that are on the same page. All those,wasted "Holmgren" years are a thing of the past. The Browns have a bright future.
Our free agents over performed and want to be Browns unlike Davante Parker and Others who were vocal about not wanting to play for us.
Hawkins, Gabriel, Hartline, Bowe and Housler wanted to play for us.
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I'm glad we have quality depth at every position except QB now..
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This is a RB driven league
To be successful you have to first and foremost control the line of scrimmage which I think the FO has tried their best to address.
You also have to score points and again this season with a career back-up and no WR threat the Browns will have to be creative and I don't think they will pull it off. Again defenses will stack the box and press our either undersized or old and slow WRs.
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"This is a RB driven league"
What league have you been watching?
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This is a RB driven league
To be successful you have to first and foremost control the line of scrimmage which I think the FO has tried their best to address.
You also have to score points and again this season with a career back-up and no WR threat the Browns will have to be creative and I don't think they will pull it off. Again defenses will stack the box and press our either undersized or old and slow WRs.
This is a RB driven league
To be successful you have to first and foremost control the line of scrimmage which I think the FO has tried their best to address.
You also have to score points and again this season with a career back-up and no WR threat the Browns will have to be creative and I don't think they will pull it off. Again defenses will stack the box and press our either undersized or old and slow WRs.
Hawkins will destroy teams this year. I will also bet we put Duke in the slot. Play action and screens, will be our bread and butter this year.
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This is a RB driven league
To be successful you have to first and foremost control the line of scrimmage which I think the FO has tried their best to address.
You also have to score points and again this season with a career back-up and no WR threat the Browns will have to be creative and I don't think they will pull it off. Again defenses will stack the box and press our either undersized or old and slow WRs.
no WR threat.
Lol wut?
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I posted this before. Here are our WR rankings from 2014... Not bad...
Receiving stats:
Drops %: 3.2 (tied 2nd);
Yards per catch: 13.4 (1st);
YAC per reception: 5.99(6th);
Fumbles: 0 (1st)
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Taylor Gabriel......you'd think nobody even knows this guy is on our team.....Last year ranked #4 for rookie WR's, behind only Beckham, Evans and Landry....
Last year was one of the highest touted WR classes ever......and he was #4 rated rookie(out of about 40+).....yet no one seems to think he did much?.....why isnt he getting more props?.....just kinda ho hum?.....
Gabe =
#11 in receptions.............yet wasn't even a starter
#9 in yards.......................with so many fewer targets than the big names
#2 in YAC @ 7.6..............Watkins= 5.2....Evans= 2.4......Beckham= 5.3
#3 in YPC @ 16.7............Watkins=15.1..Evans=15.5....Beckham=14.3
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Nobody should underestimate the Browns this next season. Was Sipe a superstar
qb?
Nope. But they were a terrific football TEAM of guys who loved the game, and had
a good solid locker room.
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Taylor Gabriel......you'd think nobody even knows this guy is on our team.....Last year ranked #4 for rookie WR's, behind only Beckham, Evans and Landry....
Last year was one of the highest touted WR classes ever......and he was #4 rated rookie(out of about 40+).....yet no one seems to think he did much?.....why isnt he getting more props?.....just kinda ho hum?.....
Gabe =
#11 in receptions.............yet wasn't even a starter
#9 in yards.......................with so many fewer targets than the big names
#2 in YAC @ 7.6..............Watkins= 5.2....Evans= 2.4......Beckham= 5.3
#3 in YPC @ 16.7............Watkins=15.1..Evans=15.5....Beckham=14.3
Taylor Gabriel......you'd think nobody even knows this guy is on our team.....Last year ranked #4 for rookie WR's, behind only Beckham, Evans and Landry....
Last year was one of the highest touted WR classes ever......and he was #4 rated rookie(out of about 40+).....yet no one seems to think he did much?.....why isnt he getting more props?.....just kinda ho hum?.....
Gabe =
#11 in receptions.............yet wasn't even a starter
#9 in yards.......................with so many fewer targets than the big names
#2 in YAC @ 7.6..............Watkins= 5.2....Evans= 2.4......Beckham= 5.3
#3 in YPC @ 16.7............Watkins=15.1..Evans=15.5....Beckham=14.3
Only 1 TD... I think that's the number that stands out...
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