How does an Orchard treat QBs?
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Three 2014 games here...
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/nate-orchard/
Just looked at the Stanford game.
Nice rip-strip forced fumble and he got two sacks.
First sack (2:40) was a coverage sack, but 2nd (4:14) was a nice rush where he got a under Peat's pads.
Run D... not great... recognition issues.
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Really, really smart. I'll take that over stupendous athlete but dumb as a toad and doesn't care every time.
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I never heard of the kid but was told he was in the neighborhood of 270, so I was like wtf we've already got 2 hybrids on staff. But 6'3 250? That's exactly the kind of guy I was hoping we'd draft at OLB'er. He can do some of the things Mingo does while not being as big a run stuffing liability. Perfect. We're set at OLB'er now. We'll see how our ILB'ers do this year, they may need to be upgraded next year in the draft as well we'll see.
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I know Nate doesn't like OT's either. Got the best of Tour's top Oline pick, Peat a few times. That was once of the things that stood out early to me.
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I never heard of the kid but was told he was in the neighborhood of 270, so I was like wtf we've already got 2 hybrids on staff. But 6'3 250? That's exactly the kind of guy I was hoping we'd draft at OLB'er. He can do some of the things Mingo does while not being as big a run stuffing liability. Perfect. We're set at OLB'er now. We'll see how our ILB'ers do this year, they may need to be upgraded next year in the draft as well we'll see.
I never heard of the kid but was told he was in the neighborhood of 270, so I was like wtf we've already got 2 hybrids on staff. But 6'3 250? That's exactly the kind of guy I was hoping we'd draft at OLB'er. He can do some of the things Mingo does while not being as big a run stuffing liability. Perfect. We're set at OLB'er now. We'll see how our ILB'ers do this year, they may need to be upgraded next year in the draft as well we'll see.
As I noted elsewhere Pullard on some boards was rated a late 2d, early 3rd round pick....at ILB. So maybe they HAVE already upgraded if this guy pans out.
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I never heard of the kid but was told he was in the neighborhood of 270, so I was like wtf we've already got 2 hybrids on staff. But 6'3 250? That's exactly the kind of guy I was hoping we'd draft at OLB'er. He can do some of the things Mingo does while not being as big a run stuffing liability. Perfect. We're set at OLB'er now. We'll see how our ILB'ers do this year, they may need to be upgraded next year in the draft as well we'll see.
As I noted elsewhere Pullard on some boards was rated a late 2d, early 3rd round pick....at ILB. So maybe they HAVE already upgraded if this guy pans out.
As I noted elsewhere Pullard on some boards was rated a late 2d, early 3rd round pick....at ILB. So maybe they HAVE already upgraded if this guy pans out.
yeah those guys usually turn out to be journeymen. We'll see. I haven't looked at any of his film. Is he a run stopping type or a cover?
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Pullard in the 2nd round???.....cant say that I saw that anywhere.....ever....Id say he went where most people projected him, which was a late round - UDFA type ranking
Id expect this guy to have to really fight hard just to get Tank Carders job. But dont see him as much of a threat to push Kirksey/Dansby/Robertson ......
Hopefully, he surprises me.....but, out of the guys we drafted, my expectations aren't real high here......
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Pullard in the 2nd round???.....cant say that I saw that anywhere.....ever....Id say he went where most people projected him, which was a late round - UDFA type ranking
Id expect this guy to have to really fight hard just to get Tank Carders job. But dont see him as much of a threat to push Kirksey/Dansby/Robertson ......
Hopefully, he surprises me.....but, out of the guys we drafted, my expectations aren't real high here......
Pullard in the 2nd round???.....cant say that I saw that anywhere.....ever....Id say he went where most people projected him, which was a late round - UDFA type ranking
Id expect this guy to have to really fight hard just to get Tank Carders job. But dont see him as much of a threat to push Kirksey/Dansby/Robertson ......
Hopefully, he surprises me.....but, out of the guys we drafted, my expectations aren't real high here......
SBNation had him ranked the 69th best player available. So now you can say you HAVE seen it somewhere. But don't take my word....read it and weep:
One spot ahead of him was Nate Orchard.
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Pullard in the 2nd round???.....cant say that I saw that anywhere.....ever....Id say he went where most people projected him, which was a late round - UDFA type ranking
Id expect this guy to have to really fight hard just to get Tank Carders job. But dont see him as much of a threat to push Kirksey/Dansby/Robertson ......
Hopefully, he surprises me.....but, out of the guys we drafted, my expectations aren't real high here......
SBNation had him ranked the 69th best player available. So now you can say you HAVE seen it somewhere. But don't take my word....read it and weep:
One spot ahead of him was Nate Orchard.
SBNation had him ranked the 69th best player available. So now you can say you HAVE seen it somewhere. But don't take my word....read it and weep:
One spot ahead of him was Nate Orchard.
Pullard was ranked way down on CBS at 288. So, opinion is clearly split, ranging from 'he should be decent on special teams at least' to 'he's a leader that will drive his team forward to victory'
Edit: with CBS rankings - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2015/ILB
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Pullard in the 2nd round???.....cant say that I saw that anywhere.....ever....Id say he went where most people projected him, which was a late round - UDFA type ranking
Id expect this guy to have to really fight hard just to get Tank Carders job. But dont see him as much of a threat to push Kirksey/Dansby/Robertson ......
Hopefully, he surprises me.....but, out of the guys we drafted, my expectations aren't real high here......
SBNation had him ranked the 69th best player available. So now you can say you HAVE seen it somewhere. But don't take my word....read it and weep:
One spot ahead of him was Nate Orchard.
SBNation had him ranked the 69th best player available. So now you can say you HAVE seen it somewhere. But don't take my word....read it and weep:
One spot ahead of him was Nate Orchard.
Well....I wouldn't say "boards"....Id say one guy(Dan Kadar) had him ranked at a silly position......
And ironically, when the very same guy graded our draft, he didnt give us credit for nabbing Pullard in the seventh.....
and then he changed his grade on Pullard from 69th best to 219th best.....(like how he did that?)(pundits....smh)...here's the link...
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SBNation had him ranked the 69th best player available. So now you can say you HAVE seen it somewhere. But don't take my word....read it and weep:
One spot ahead of him was Nate Orchard.
Well....I wouldn't say "boards"....Id say one guy(Dan Kadar) had him ranked at a silly position......
And ironically, when the very same guy graded our draft, he didnt give us credit for nabbing Pullard in the seventh.....
and then he changed his grade on Pullard from 69th best to 219th best.....(like how he did that?)(pundits....smh)...here's the link...
Well....I wouldn't say "boards"....Id say one guy(Dan Kadar) had him ranked at a silly position......
And ironically, when the very same guy graded our draft, he didnt give us credit for nabbing Pullard in the seventh.....
and then he changed his grade on Pullard from 69th best to 219th best.....(like how he did that?)(pundits....smh)...here's the link...
He was picked 219 overall, not ranked 219th.
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Unless you think we got exact value for all of our picks
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Me too - as I said in my previous post, he was ranked 288 on the CBS board. He was the 23rd ranked LB taken according to the NFL board. So, not really a round 2 prospect. He seems a decent player though, probably ends up a ST captain in a year or two.
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yer right.....and I completely missed that....none the less, Pullard wasn't rated as a second rounder on any credible boards, is all Im really trying to say.....
yer right.....and I completely missed that....none the less, Pullard wasn't rated as a second rounder on any credible boards, is all Im really trying to say.....
Why would SB Nation be any less "credible" than any other service out there?
So far we have had a sampling of two opinions.......SB Nation and CBS.
But I believe I also posted another "credible opinion" that did have him up there as well. (I will have to find it again.)
I know that one said the Browns took 8 of the top 100 prospect where SB Nation said 7.
Edit: OK, here it is, I requote from my other thread:
CBS thinks the Browns did even better:
For a team with a lot of needs, the Browns added a lot of pieces to their roster with 12 draft picks over the last three days. After temptation to possibly package picks for Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota, Cleveland hoarded picks and ended up with 12 selections, including two “safe” players in the first round with nose tackle Danny Shelton and offensive lineman Cameron Erving. The Browns were very active with Pac-12 players (58-percent of their draft class) with Shelton, Utah pass rusher Nate Orchard, Washington State defensive tackle Xavier Cooper, Washington State wide receiver Vince Mayle, USC tight end Randall Telfer, USC linebacker Hayes Pullard and Oregon cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu. That final pick is tremendous value for a first round player who is coming off a knee injury and likely needs a redshirt season as a NFL rookie. The Browns wound up with eight players who were on my final top-100 draft board.
Who said that? CBS Sports. So, apparently, they don't even agree with themselves.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/hayes-pullard?id=2552313
Round 6 or 7, according to nfl.com, meaning somewhere around the 200 mark, give or take 30 spots.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/hayes-pullard?id=2552313
Round 6 or 7, according to nfl.com, meaning somewhere around the 200 mark, give or take 30 spots.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/hayes-pullard?id=2552313
Round 6 or 7, according to nfl.com, meaning somewhere around the 200 mark, give or take 30 spots.
Like I said, wide variance on this guy......two sources give him top 100. A couple of others say in the 200s.
Being optimistic....lets just say this: I believe he will be closer to prior USC MLB Junior Seau than to prior USC MLB Kaluka Maiava. But if he is more like Maiava.....we didn't pay nearly the same price for him. (Maiava 4th rounder)
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Floor seems to be at least a special teams ace.
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If the Steelers drafted Peters in the first I wanted orchard in the 2nd. Peters went to the fucking chiefs. I really like Orchard.
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