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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @the-gipper said:

    And, by the way, don't sit on WRs drafted in later rounds, as Mayle was. Here are the rounds in which HOF receivers have been taken:

    Round 1: Rice, Irvin, Monk, Lofton, Swann, Warfield, Charley Taylor, Elroy Hirsch

    Round 2: Biletnikoff

    Round 3: Tommy McDonald

    Round 4: Joiner, Stallworth, Largent, Reed, Carter

    Round 7: Hayes

    Round 9: Maynard

    Round 11: Tom Fears

    Round 12: Dante Lavelli

    So, how do we know our 4th round guy Mayles is not another John Stallworth?

    Could be.

    Could also be a Carlos Francis, Ernest Wilford, Shaun McDonald, Sam Aiken, Ron Johnson, Marcus Smith, William Franklin, Marcus Easley, Mardy Gilyard, Kris Durham, Edmund Gates or Tandon Doss.

    How about we let them hit the practice field before we start with the HOF comparisons?

    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on
    #16

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Could be.

    Could also be a Carlos Francis, Ernest Wilford, Shaun McDonald, Sam Aiken, Ron Johnson, Marcus Smith, William Franklin, Marcus Easley, Mardy Gilyard, Kris Durham, Edmund Gates or Tandon Doss.

    How about we let them hit the practice field before we start with the HOF comparisons?

    Agreed. Ranking drafts is meaningless until they actually perform on the field.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #17

    Here is where CBS Sports listed our draftees on their prospect rankings:

    #10 Shelton

    #24 Erving

    #56 Johnson

    #69 Orchard

    # 79 Cooper

    #109 Olamu

    #127 Campbell

    #150 Mayle

    #162 Gaines

    #288 Pullard

    #366 Telfer

    #488 Johnson

    The biggest variance of opinion is on Pullard. Injuries may have been a factor in his lower ranking here.

    gumby73G 1 Reply
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @the-gipper said:

    And, by the way, don't sit on WRs drafted in later rounds, as Mayle was. Here are the rounds in which HOF receivers have been taken:

    Round 1: Rice, Irvin, Monk, Lofton, Swann, Warfield, Charley Taylor, Elroy Hirsch

    Round 2: Biletnikoff

    Round 3: Tommy McDonald

    Round 4: Joiner, Stallworth, Largent, Reed, Carter

    Round 7: Hayes

    Round 9: Maynard

    Round 11: Tom Fears

    Round 12: Dante Lavelli

    So, how do we know our 4th round guy Mayles is not another John Stallworth?

    Could be.

    Could also be a Carlos Francis, Ernest Wilford, Shaun McDonald, Sam Aiken, Ron Johnson, Marcus Smith, William Franklin, Marcus Easley, Mardy Gilyard, Kris Durham, Edmund Gates or Tandon Doss.

    How about we let them hit the practice field before we start with the HOF comparisons?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #18

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Could be.

    Could also be a Carlos Francis, Ernest Wilford, Shaun McDonald, Sam Aiken, Ron Johnson, Marcus Smith, William Franklin, Marcus Easley, Mardy Gilyard, Kris Durham, Edmund Gates or Tandon Doss.

    How about we let them hit the practice field before we start with the HOF comparisons?

    We have seen them in college games....which is better than the practice field......seeing them everywhere is helpful. People thought Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf were going to be the shit.

    At THIS point is all these guys careers however, all we can do is to see how they have done up to this point.....and try to discern what the so called experts. One expert rates a guy #68 overall.....another rates him #288 overall.

    Farmer thought a lot of these guys....expecially the later rounders....were pretty good. So far....in a small sampling, he has been pretty good choosing these late round players.

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Could be.

    Could also be a Carlos Francis, Ernest Wilford, Shaun McDonald, Sam Aiken, Ron Johnson, Marcus Smith, William Franklin, Marcus Easley, Mardy Gilyard, Kris Durham, Edmund Gates or Tandon Doss.

    How about we let them hit the practice field before we start with the HOF comparisons?

    Agreed. Ranking drafts is meaningless until they actually perform on the field.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #19

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Agreed. Ranking drafts is meaningless until they actually perform on the field.

    And we won't have a real judgment on that for 3-4 years, will we.

    Some thought we drafted the next Dallas Cowboy "Triplets" (Aikman/Irvin/Smith) when we got Weeden/Richardson/Gordon.

    So, clearly we must wait.

    But unless you want to suspend your account for these next few years and come back then to talk, we will continue to assess and speculate on how the Browns did in the last few days.

  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    I loved the draft. We didn't seem to reach for anyone.

    However, the only pick I DIDN'T like was Duke Johnson over Sammy Coates. I feel Coates is going to give us hell in Pittsburgh

    I never dreamed Coates would make it that far into the 3rd

    ColumbusKingC ColumbusKing wrote on
    #20

    @walterwhite said:

    I loved the draft. We didn't seem to reach for anyone.

    However, the only pick I DIDN'T like was Duke Johnson over Sammy Coates. I feel Coates is going to give us hell in Pittsburgh

    I never dreamed Coates would make it that far into the 3rd

    I couldn't diagree more, It is well known Coates has a major case of the dropsies, I wouldn't take Coates higher then a 5th. He will end up like Greg Little. He had a 20% drop rate.

    I wanted Darren Waller.

    VagitronV 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    While Kiper is a homer about Baltimore's draft....and his love for Maxx Williams, I will say that both Balt and Pitt did have good drafts. Here are the teams that scored the best in my opinion, no order:

    Cleveland

    Jacksonville

    Oakland

    Baltimore

    Pittsburgh

    Tampa Bay

    A Alkid3 wrote on
    #21

    @the-gipper said:

    While Kiper is a homer about Baltimore's draft....and his love for Maxx Williams, I will say that both Balt and Pitt did have good drafts. Here are the teams that scored the best in my opinion, no order:

    Cleveland

    Jacksonville

    Oakland

    Baltimore

    Pittsburgh

    Tampa Bay

    You don't think NYJ did good?

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • ColumbusKingC ColumbusKing

    @walterwhite said:

    I loved the draft. We didn't seem to reach for anyone.

    However, the only pick I DIDN'T like was Duke Johnson over Sammy Coates. I feel Coates is going to give us hell in Pittsburgh

    I never dreamed Coates would make it that far into the 3rd

    I couldn't diagree more, It is well known Coates has a major case of the dropsies, I wouldn't take Coates higher then a 5th. He will end up like Greg Little. He had a 20% drop rate.

    I wanted Darren Waller.

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on
    #22

    @columbusking said:

    I couldn't diagree more, It is well known Coates has a major case of the dropsies, I wouldn't take Coates higher then a 5th. He will end up like Greg Little. He had a 20% drop rate.

    I wanted Darren Waller.

    Coates is going to be our 5th receiver. He's an athletic freak of nature and his catching will improve. Its also not going to be Coates giving teams fits but instead martavis Bryant who Coates is pretty much a clone.

    AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month)
    hoortaH Tour2maT The GipperT 3 Replies
  • W wargograw wrote on
    #23

    Coates will be better if he cleans up the inconsistency.

  • VagitronV Vagitron

    @columbusking said:

    I couldn't diagree more, It is well known Coates has a major case of the dropsies, I wouldn't take Coates higher then a 5th. He will end up like Greg Little. He had a 20% drop rate.

    I wanted Darren Waller.

    Coates is going to be our 5th receiver. He's an athletic freak of nature and his catching will improve. Its also not going to be Coates giving teams fits but instead martavis Bryant who Coates is pretty much a clone.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #24

    @vagitron said:

    Coates is going to be our 5th receiver. He's an athletic freak of nature and his catching will improve. Its also not going to be Coates giving teams fits but instead martavis Bryant who Coates is pretty much a clone.

    Hands will improve? I doubt it. Greg Little didn't improve- Neither did Peter Warrick, neither did Willis Adams. By the time you get to the pros, you can either catch the ball, or you can't. We learned that the hard way several times.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @vagitron said:

    Coates is going to be our 5th receiver. He's an athletic freak of nature and his catching will improve. Its also not going to be Coates giving teams fits but instead martavis Bryant who Coates is pretty much a clone.

    Hands will improve? I doubt it. Greg Little didn't improve- Neither did Peter Warrick, neither did Willis Adams. By the time you get to the pros, you can either catch the ball, or you can't. We learned that the hard way several times.

    StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on
    #25

    @hoorta said:

    Hands will improve? I doubt it. Greg Little didn't improve- Neither did Peter Warrick, neither did Willis Adams. By the time you get to the pros, you can either catch the ball, or you can't. We learned that the hard way several times.

    Braylon Edwards...I remember browns losing a game solely because a wide open Edwards dropped the ball. There was nothing but turf in front of him.

    Coates needs to be made to understand that he won't last long as a Steeler if he continues to drop catchable passes...see Limas Sweed.

  • OsirisO Osiris wrote on
    #26

    All you need to do is look at the players KC drafted when Farmer and Kuharic were part of that front office. They know how to scout and draft. In a few years we will be calling this the best Browns draft since they returned.

    Everyone loves to just oversimplify. Draft a QB everyone says. Well, if you draft a talented QB without a solid team around him he is going to fail (ex: Tim Couch). There was no QB in this draft that we could get that without mortgaging the future that wouldn't have been a project. Would I have liked to see a WR and TE added third round or better? Sure, but only if the value makes sense.

    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
    hoortaH 1 Reply
  • L LondonBrown wrote on
    #27

    Jacksonville nailed it for me, quality starters in all positions.

  • A Alkid3

    @the-gipper said:

    While Kiper is a homer about Baltimore's draft....and his love for Maxx Williams, I will say that both Balt and Pitt did have good drafts. Here are the teams that scored the best in my opinion, no order:

    Cleveland

    Jacksonville

    Oakland

    Baltimore

    Pittsburgh

    Tampa Bay

    You don't think NYJ did good?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #28

    @alkid3 said:

    You don't think NYJ did good?

    Yes, I should have included the Jets as well.

  • VagitronV Vagitron

    @columbusking said:

    I couldn't diagree more, It is well known Coates has a major case of the dropsies, I wouldn't take Coates higher then a 5th. He will end up like Greg Little. He had a 20% drop rate.

    I wanted Darren Waller.

    Coates is going to be our 5th receiver. He's an athletic freak of nature and his catching will improve. Its also not going to be Coates giving teams fits but instead martavis Bryant who Coates is pretty much a clone.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #29

    @vagitron said:

    He's an athletic freak of nature...

    First Dupree... now Coates... Seems a Steeler theme for 2015 is emerging... Welcome to the Freak Show!

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  • VagitronV Vagitron

    @columbusking said:

    I couldn't diagree more, It is well known Coates has a major case of the dropsies, I wouldn't take Coates higher then a 5th. He will end up like Greg Little. He had a 20% drop rate.

    I wanted Darren Waller.

    Coates is going to be our 5th receiver. He's an athletic freak of nature and his catching will improve. Its also not going to be Coates giving teams fits but instead martavis Bryant who Coates is pretty much a clone.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #30

    @vagitron said:

    Coates is going to be our 5th receiver. He's an athletic freak of nature and his catching will improve. Its also not going to be Coates giving teams fits but instead martavis Bryant who Coates is pretty much a clone.

    You call every person that is on the Steelers roster "an athletic freak of nature". Quit being so cliche. I mean, Andre the Giant was an athletic freak of nature. Manute Bol was an athletic freak of nature. This guy is not. He is no more of an athletic freak of nature than any of the WRs taken before him. Just say what he is: a good athlete with potential.

    VagitronV 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #31

    CBS thinks the Browns did even better:

    Cleveland Browns
    For a team with a lot of needs, the Browns added a lot of pieces to their roster with 12 draft picks over the last three days. After temptation to possibly package picks for Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota, Cleveland hoarded picks and ended up with 12 selections, including two “safe” players in the first round with nose tackle Danny Shelton and offensive lineman Cameron Erving. The Browns were very active with Pac-12 players (58-percent of their draft class) with Shelton, Utah pass rusher Nate Orchard, Washington State defensive tackle Xavier Cooper, Washington State wide receiver Vince Mayle, USC tight end Randall Telfer, USC linebacker Hayes Pullard and Oregon cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu. That final pick is tremendous value for a first round player who is coming off a knee injury and likely needs a redshirt season as a NFL rookie. The Browns wound up with eight players who were on my final top-100 draft board.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @vagitron said:

    Coates is going to be our 5th receiver. He's an athletic freak of nature and his catching will improve. Its also not going to be Coates giving teams fits but instead martavis Bryant who Coates is pretty much a clone.

    You call every person that is on the Steelers roster "an athletic freak of nature". Quit being so cliche. I mean, Andre the Giant was an athletic freak of nature. Manute Bol was an athletic freak of nature. This guy is not. He is no more of an athletic freak of nature than any of the WRs taken before him. Just say what he is: a good athlete with potential.

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on
    #32

    @the-gipper said:

    You call every person that is on the Steelers roster "an athletic freak of nature". Quit being so cliche. I mean, Andre the Giant was an athletic freak of nature. Manute Bol was an athletic freak of nature. This guy is not. He is no more of an athletic freak of nature than any of the WRs taken before him. Just say what he is: a good athlete with potential.

    Its not my label alone. The media has given both players that label. Dupree is 270 pounds and has a 42 inch vertical and runs a 4.5.

    http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25169534/nfl-draft-steelers-get-a-for-picking-olb-bud-dupree-at-no-22

    http://kentuckysportsradio.com/football-2/nfl-com-ranks-bud-dupree-the-5th-most-freakish-athlete-in-college-football/

    http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/top-5-athletic-freaks-of-2015-nfl-draft

    http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2014/07/auburns_sammie_coates_rises_to.html

    http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/ranking-top-20-cfb-freaks-2014-college-football-preseason-070714

    And Coates is incredibly strong and fast. 405 bench? Three straight pull ups with three 45 pound plates and runs that fast? Yea he's a little freaky.

    AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month)
    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @the-gipper said:

    By certain measures the Browns may have made a slam dunk in this year's draft. Per SBNation the Browns picked up 7 of the top 100 available players to be drafted. Here is who they got and where they ranked as prospects:

    #14 Danny Shelton

    #51 Cameron Erving

    #68 Nate Orchard

    #69 Hayes Pullard

    #74 Duke Johnson

    #79 Xavier Cooper

    #87 Ifo Ekpr-Olamu

    So...in about 20 years this years Browns draft may match that of the 1974 Steelers, no? 4 Hall of Famers?

    Shelton can be our Mean Joe Greene. Pullard our Jack Lambert, Olamu our Mel Blount, Erving our Mike Webster, Orchard our Jack Ham, Johnson our Franco Harris.

    Some guys like Mel Kiper underrated the Browns draft because "they didn't get the top notch WR or QB" that they think we need. Well, maybe we do need those.....but that is NOT the way to grade a draft. You grade a draft by figuring out who got the most best players....not by assessing whether or not a team did or did not get one player at a need position. If we have 5-6 Pro Bowl type players come out of this draft does it matter that one of them is not a WR or QB? No.

    And of course Kiper....who I never thought was such a Baltimore homer.....really is. He said the Ravens had the best draft in the league. Well, no. I think the Ravens had a good draft....but not the best.

    I disagree. You don't rank a team's draft by how many of the top 100 they got, you rank it by whether or not they improved their team.

    It's fantastic that we got (seemingly) quality players, but it's all for naught if none of them actually contribute whatsoever. Then our draft would have been an F.

    It's fair that we got the grade we did. Yes, we may have gotten a few steals, but our pre-draft areas of need (according to pundits) were QB and WR, which we did not address. Regardless of what we did at other positions, we did not improve in those positions - therefore our B grade.

    The draft is about making your team better - not about drafting more highly ranked guys than anyone else.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #33

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    but our pre-draft areas of need (according to pundits) were QB and WR, which we did not address. Regardless of what we did at other positions, we did not improve in those positions - therefore our B grade.

    from a guy that hates pundit speak, it's funny now how you back them.

    our biggest need was to stop the run and get a backup C/OL so if someone went down due to injury again this year it wouldn't cost us another season.

    #1 rated NT.

    #1 rated C.

    enough said.

    gftChrisG Tim Couch Pulls OutT 2 Replies
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    but our pre-draft areas of need (according to pundits) were QB and WR, which we did not address. Regardless of what we did at other positions, we did not improve in those positions - therefore our B grade.

    from a guy that hates pundit speak, it's funny now how you back them.

    our biggest need was to stop the run and get a backup C/OL so if someone went down due to injury again this year it wouldn't cost us another season.

    #1 rated NT.

    #1 rated C.

    enough said.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #34

    @miktoxic said:

    from a guy that hates pundit speak, it's funny now how you back them.

    our biggest need was to stop the run and get a backup C/OL so if someone went down due to injury again this year it wouldn't cost us another season.

    #1 rated NT.

    #1 rated C.

    enough said.

    Our biggest need...outside of a quality QB. No QB to be had, so go with the other two.

  • OsirisO Osiris

    All you need to do is look at the players KC drafted when Farmer and Kuharic were part of that front office. They know how to scout and draft. In a few years we will be calling this the best Browns draft since they returned.

    Everyone loves to just oversimplify. Draft a QB everyone says. Well, if you draft a talented QB without a solid team around him he is going to fail (ex: Tim Couch). There was no QB in this draft that we could get that without mortgaging the future that wouldn't have been a project. Would I have liked to see a WR and TE added third round or better? Sure, but only if the value makes sense.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #35

    @osiris said:

    All you need to do is look at the players KC drafted when Farmer and Kuharic were part of that front office. They know how to scout and draft. In a few years we will be calling this the best Browns draft since they returned.

    Everyone loves to just oversimplify. Draft a QB everyone says. Well, if you draft a talented QB without a solid team around him he is going to fail (ex: Tim Couch). There was no QB in this draft that we could get that without mortgaging the future that wouldn't have been a project. Would I have liked to see a WR and TE added third round or better? Sure, but only if the value makes sense.

    I'm with you on the qb. Sure, we could have taken Petty- high character guy- but very much a project. Mariota would have cost us 3 first round picks. I'll take Shelton, Erving, and whoever we draft in the first round next year instead- easy. Apparently teams learned not to repeat the RG III fiasco.

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