Browns' Pettine says McCown is favorite to start at QB
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No Noise from JF is very positive to me at this point. What's even better I believe he knows he disappointed himself and organization last season. Does it make him a better QB in this League, No but he is Giving Himself A Chance to Prove Himself.. That being said Josh McCown Has got to show me He is a better Talent at the QB position than Brian Hoyer, Accuracy, On Time and The Gun or it could be a weekly starter distraction We don't need.. Just get It right.. Pettine words "The Guy That Gives This Team The Best Chance To Win Sunday" Label It and build Trust with It.. Farmer and Haslem stay out of it period or do your job and find a better Option...
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For me it comes down to whether you believe Pettine and Farmer know what they are doing in building the Browns team or not. I believe they know exactly what they are doing and I am ecstatic to have both of these guys. If McCown wins the starting QB there is every reason to believe he can duplicate what he did in Chicago.
This is the main point I'd like to address for all those who read. I don't believe McCown can and will duplicate what he did in Chicago. 13-1 TD:INT. First off, he had 2 pro bowl receivers, a probowl RB and a good TE. Secondly, he was asked to throw quite a bit because of Chicago's porous defense. If our dline can take that next step foward and be in the upper half of the league against the run while maintaining similar numbers for opponent passer ratings - I do believe McCown is capable of duplicating what Hoyer gave us the first 6 weeks of this past season. Which, in principle - is all we should need to be successful.
Sorry, but lack of a negative is a piss-poor positive...
This is the main point I'd like to address for all those who read. I don't believe McCown can and will duplicate what he did in Chicago. 13-1 TD:INT.
So only a 7:2 ratio... works for me...
Agree with the essence of the assessment. First, do no harm.
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To be fair, Pettine said he expected that McCown would be #1 heading in to camp.
Heading in to camp, and exiting camp are two different deals.
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The QBs better not get equal reps with the 1s. If Pet thinks his best chance to win is with McCown, then he needs to get the lion's share of the reps. I don't see Pet making the same mistake two years in a row with his QBs.
The QBs better not get equal reps with the 1s. If Pet thinks his best chance to win is with McCown, then he needs to get the lion's share of the reps. I don't see Pet making the same mistake two years in a row with his QBs.
What mistake? If I was paying attention it seems the first part of the season went very well until we lost Mack.
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The QBs better not get equal reps with the 1s. If Pet thinks his best chance to win is with McCown, then he needs to get the lion's share of the reps. I don't see Pet making the same mistake two years in a row with his QBs.
What mistake? If I was paying attention it seems the first part of the season went very well until we lost Mack.
What mistake? If I was paying attention it seems the first part of the season went very well until we lost Mack.
He called too much attention to the QB spot with his 'open competition'. It was all that was discussed last year, and that creeps into the locker room as well. You don't hear that from the good teams in the league, and he needs to just stop talking about it, and if that means not answering the media's questions, then so be it.
So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come.
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What mistake? If I was paying attention it seems the first part of the season went very well until we lost Mack.
He called too much attention to the QB spot with his 'open competition'. It was all that was discussed last year, and that creeps into the locker room as well. You don't hear that from the good teams in the league, and he needs to just stop talking about it, and if that means not answering the media's questions, then so be it.
So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come.
So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come.
Actually my real hope is that the real JF of 2012-13 steps up and shows exactly why they thought he was a good 1st round choice. So far he has been a shadow of that player with the sole exception of the 1 DT drive. I've said fairly early on that someone needed to kick his ass into rehab. so they could get his full attention about self-destructive addiction whether it's substances or limelight or both. I'm glad to see he sent his own ass there. Gives him a far better chance if he is the one who saw the light and not others. Now he can funnel that addictive behavior into learning the intricacies of QB'ing in the NFL.
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So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come.
Actually my real hope is that the real JF of 2012-13 steps up and shows exactly why they thought he was a good 1st round choice. So far he has been a shadow of that player with the sole exception of the 1 DT drive. I've said fairly early on that someone needed to kick his ass into rehab. so they could get his full attention about self-destructive addiction whether it's substances or limelight or both. I'm glad to see he sent his own ass there. Gives him a far better chance if he is the one who saw the light and not others. Now he can funnel that addictive behavior into learning the intricacies of QB'ing in the NFL.
Actually my real hope is that the real JF of 2012-13 steps up and shows exactly why they thought he was a good 1st round choice. So far he has been a shadow of that player with the sole exception of the 1 DT drive. I've said fairly early on that someone needed to kick his ass into rehab. so they could get his full attention about self-destructive addiction whether it's substances or limelight or both. I'm glad to see he sent his own ass there. Gives him a far better chance if he is the one who saw the light and not others. Now he can funnel that addictive behavior into learning the intricacies of QB'ing in the NFL.
Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college.
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If you dare to dream that Johnny can do what he did in college, this team becomes scarily good. But, that's a bit of a pipe dream right now!
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Faded said:
Josh McCown is Randy McCown's brother. So, there's kind of another pseudo-Aggie connection at Cleveland QB. Therefore, I thought I would come back... and there was much rejoicing
Josh McCown is Luke McCown's brother.....a QB who was drafted by the Browns.....2003--04?
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What mistake? If I was paying attention it seems the first part of the season went very well until we lost Mack.
He called too much attention to the QB spot with his 'open competition'. It was all that was discussed last year, and that creeps into the locker room as well. You don't hear that from the good teams in the league, and he needs to just stop talking about it, and if that means not answering the media's questions, then so be it.
So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come.
And Randy is both Luke's and Josh's older brother... and played QB for TAMU. Just like Faded said...
He called too much attention to the QB spot with his 'open competition'. It was all that was discussed last year, and that creeps into the locker room as well. You don't hear that from the good teams in the league, and he needs to just stop talking about it, and if that means not answering the media's questions, then so be it.
So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come.
Kinda agree...
I don't think Josh has to "prove he can't do it". More that JM just has to show the staff that he has command of the offense... something he never did in 2014.
There were two issues with the 2014 "competition":
- JM's residual star power convincing a chunk of the locker room that his run-around, free lancing in practice was a winning approach; and
- Hoyer's insecurities.
Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college.
Cool... we have hope covered. Now just need someone to kick in a prayer...
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Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
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Read a lot of people believing JF needs the same game he had in college. It's more than that because that style will not work in this league. Josh knows the Type QB JF will need to Be in this league and was brought in supposedly to Mentor Johnny that Hoyer may not have been willing to do so or possibly Johnny is not willing to learn. A lot of reasons out there where Pet is leaning Josh IMO...
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Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
He is doing all the right things. I PRAY he succeeds.
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No, only the ones on the Cleveland Browns team will be involved in the competition.I have a question. Will it be an open competition for all the quarterbacks?
WSS
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No, only the ones on the Cleveland Browns team will be involved in the competition.
WSS
HA!!
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Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
He is doing all the right things. I PRAY he succeeds.
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I think the absolute worst scenario that can happen is for Manziel to be a passable QB this year.
He either has to crash and burn or play lights out. 2016 may be the year of the QB...I'd hate to miss out on a potential franchise guy because Manziel strung together a mediocre 8-8 season and our FO is still interested in what he can offer.
I also fully expect Manziel to win the starting job over McCown, if that's not apparent.
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