Browns' Pettine says McCown is favorite to start at QB
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If you dare to dream that Johnny can do what he did in college, this team becomes scarily good. But, that's a bit of a pipe dream right now!
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Faded said:
Josh McCown is Randy McCown's brother. So, there's kind of another pseudo-Aggie connection at Cleveland QB. Therefore, I thought I would come back... and there was much rejoicing
Josh McCown is Luke McCown's brother.....a QB who was drafted by the Browns.....2003--04?
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What mistake? If I was paying attention it seems the first part of the season went very well until we lost Mack.
He called too much attention to the QB spot with his 'open competition'. It was all that was discussed last year, and that creeps into the locker room as well. You don't hear that from the good teams in the league, and he needs to just stop talking about it, and if that means not answering the media's questions, then so be it.
So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come.
And Randy is both Luke's and Josh's older brother... and played QB for TAMU. Just like Faded said...
He called too much attention to the QB spot with his 'open competition'. It was all that was discussed last year, and that creeps into the locker room as well. You don't hear that from the good teams in the league, and he needs to just stop talking about it, and if that means not answering the media's questions, then so be it.
So far, I like what he's doing, and Johnny just needs to disappear until McCown proves he can't do it, and Johnny is needed.... Hopefully that day will never come.
Kinda agree...
I don't think Josh has to "prove he can't do it". More that JM just has to show the staff that he has command of the offense... something he never did in 2014.
There were two issues with the 2014 "competition":
- JM's residual star power convincing a chunk of the locker room that his run-around, free lancing in practice was a winning approach; and
- Hoyer's insecurities.
Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college.
Cool... we have hope covered. Now just need someone to kick in a prayer...
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Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
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Read a lot of people believing JF needs the same game he had in college. It's more than that because that style will not work in this league. Josh knows the Type QB JF will need to Be in this league and was brought in supposedly to Mentor Johnny that Hoyer may not have been willing to do so or possibly Johnny is not willing to learn. A lot of reasons out there where Pet is leaning Josh IMO...
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Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
He is doing all the right things. I PRAY he succeeds.
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No, only the ones on the Cleveland Browns team will be involved in the competition.I have a question. Will it be an open competition for all the quarterbacks?
WSS
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No, only the ones on the Cleveland Browns team will be involved in the competition.
WSS
HA!!
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Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
He is doing all the right things. I PRAY he succeeds.
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I think the absolute worst scenario that can happen is for Manziel to be a passable QB this year.
He either has to crash and burn or play lights out. 2016 may be the year of the QB...I'd hate to miss out on a potential franchise guy because Manziel strung together a mediocre 8-8 season and our FO is still interested in what he can offer.
I also fully expect Manziel to win the starting job over McCown, if that's not apparent.
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Here are a couple highlight videos of McCown with the Bears.
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Actually my real hope is that the real JF of 2012-13 steps up and shows exactly why they thought he was a good 1st round choice. So far he has been a shadow of that player with the sole exception of the 1 DT drive. I've said fairly early on that someone needed to kick his ass into rehab. so they could get his full attention about self-destructive addiction whether it's substances or limelight or both. I'm glad to see he sent his own ass there. Gives him a far better chance if he is the one who saw the light and not others. Now he can funnel that addictive behavior into learning the intricacies of QB'ing in the NFL.
Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college.
Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college.
...you want him to play against college teams?
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Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college.
...you want him to play against college teams?
...you want him to play against college teams?
Or trade for Mike Evans?
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I think the absolute worst scenario that can happen is for Manziel to be a passable QB this year.
He either has to crash and burn or play lights out. 2016 may be the year of the QB...I'd hate to miss out on a potential franchise guy because Manziel strung together a mediocre 8-8 season and our FO is still interested in what he can offer.
I also fully expect Manziel to win the starting job over McCown, if that's not apparent.
I think the absolute worst scenario that can happen is for Manziel to be a passable QB this year.
He either has to crash and burn or play lights out. 2016 may be the year of the QB...I'd hate to miss out on a potential franchise guy because Manziel strung together a mediocre 8-8 season and our FO is still interested in what he can offer.
I also fully expect Manziel to win the starting job over McCown, if that's not apparent.
Actually if JM starts all season long I would fully expect 8-8 out of essentially a rookie QB. What is important however is how he is playing the second half of the season, just like we see with others who are starting for their first full season. It's a rare bird that can come in and play lights out their entire first season in this league. But if you see JM just WING that ball rather than guide it from day one, than he has a chance and Tour's final goal is covered.
And this from another article verifies he is learning the most important concept in recovery: Change people (JG to Paul Kruger), places (The 9's to golf community) and things (drinking/partying to golf and study).
"Several sources have told Northeast Ohio Media Group that Manziel now lives near Paul Kruger, who will be a good influence on him and also enjoys golf. Another source told NEOMG that it was part of Manziel's aftercare program to move away from the party scene and into a less-tempting environment."
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I disagree with those who would say it was a total waste last year for Manziel. A big waste but not a total one. I don't see him this year as a stone cold rookie but one who has already played in pre-season, has practiced a full season with the Browns and sat in numerous meetings and watching game films and has at least a limited amount of game time from last season . My hope (back to hope) is that he can really hit the ground running this year. I believe he does have the ability to be a Russell Wilson type QB. Everything I have read about Wilson is that he has a great work ethic and spends a lot of time in game preparation as well as being a good leader. Manziel is now doing these things and is getting the trust back with the players.
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I think the absolute worst scenario that can happen is for Manziel to be a passable QB this year.
He either has to crash and burn or play lights out. 2016 may be the year of the QB...I'd hate to miss out on a potential franchise guy because Manziel strung together a mediocre 8-8 season and our FO is still interested in what he can offer.
I also fully expect Manziel to win the starting job over McCown, if that's not apparent.
Actually if JM starts all season long I would fully expect 8-8 out of essentially a rookie QB. What is important however is how he is playing the second half of the season, just like we see with others who are starting for their first full season. It's a rare bird that can come in and play lights out their entire first season in this league. But if you see JM just WING that ball rather than guide it from day one, than he has a chance and Tour's final goal is covered.
And this from another article verifies he is learning the most important concept in recovery: Change people (JG to Paul Kruger), places (The 9's to golf community) and things (drinking/partying to golf and study).
"Several sources have told Northeast Ohio Media Group that Manziel now lives near Paul Kruger, who will be a good influence on him and also enjoys golf. Another source told NEOMG that it was part of Manziel's aftercare program to move away from the party scene and into a less-tempting environment."
Actually if JM starts all season long I would fully expect 8-8 out of essentially a rookie QB. What is important however is how he is playing the second half of the season, just like we see with others who are starting for their first full season. It's a rare bird that can come in and play lights out their entire first season in this league. But if you see JM just WING that ball rather than guide it from day one, than he has a chance and Tour's final goal is covered.
And this from another article verifies he is learning the most important concept in recovery: Change people (JG to Paul Kruger), places (The 9's to golf community) and things (drinking/partying to golf and study).
"Several sources have told Northeast Ohio Media Group that Manziel now lives near Paul Kruger, who will be a good influence on him and also enjoys golf. Another source told NEOMG that it was part of Manziel's aftercare program to move away from the party scene and into a less-tempting environment."
I'm happy for his recovery, but if he goes 8-8 it's very likely that he sets this franchise back a few years.
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I can't imagine anyone being pissed off about Johnny going 8 & 8 this season, unless it's just some whiny ass troll.
I have never thought you were one of those TC so I'm guessing this is just a little hyperbole?
(besides we will need to go maybe 1 and 15 to get whichever overrated quarterback is the flavor of the month)
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Actually if JM starts all season long I would fully expect 8-8 out of essentially a rookie QB. What is important however is how he is playing the second half of the season, just like we see with others who are starting for their first full season. It's a rare bird that can come in and play lights out their entire first season in this league. But if you see JM just WING that ball rather than guide it from day one, than he has a chance and Tour's final goal is covered.
And this from another article verifies he is learning the most important concept in recovery: Change people (JG to Paul Kruger), places (The 9's to golf community) and things (drinking/partying to golf and study).
"Several sources have told Northeast Ohio Media Group that Manziel now lives near Paul Kruger, who will be a good influence on him and also enjoys golf. Another source told NEOMG that it was part of Manziel's aftercare program to move away from the party scene and into a less-tempting environment."
I'm happy for his recovery, but if he goes 8-8 it's very likely that he sets this franchise back a few years.
I'm happy for his recovery, but if he goes 8-8 it's very likely that he sets this franchise back a few years.
Depends how he plays, not the record.
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