Browns' Pettine says McCown is favorite to start at QB
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Read a lot of people believing JF needs the same game he had in college. It's more than that because that style will not work in this league. Josh knows the Type QB JF will need to Be in this league and was brought in supposedly to Mentor Johnny that Hoyer may not have been willing to do so or possibly Johnny is not willing to learn. A lot of reasons out there where Pet is leaning Josh IMO...
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Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
He is doing all the right things. I PRAY he succeeds.
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No, only the ones on the Cleveland Browns team will be involved in the competition.I have a question. Will it be an open competition for all the quarterbacks?
WSS
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No, only the ones on the Cleveland Browns team will be involved in the competition.
WSS
HA!!
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Good news on JM today. He is taking another step in the right direction, changing places to an area far more therapeutic than where he was living.
And Dansby joins in:
And this statement from Donte Whitner secondary to JM's move: “I’ve been a believer in Johnny from Day One,” Whitner said. “The physical attributes, the fiery type of guy and the things that he brings to an offense and the problems he can give you on the defensive side of the football with that extra being able to get out of the pocket and let guys run free, I still believe that he can do those things. I believe that he will do those things. So we still believe in him. He’ll have to compete for a job, but I believe that he’s up for the task. So we’ll see what happens.”
He is doing all the right things. I PRAY he succeeds.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think the absolute worst scenario that can happen is for Manziel to be a passable QB this year.
He either has to crash and burn or play lights out. 2016 may be the year of the QB...I'd hate to miss out on a potential franchise guy because Manziel strung together a mediocre 8-8 season and our FO is still interested in what he can offer.
I also fully expect Manziel to win the starting job over McCown, if that's not apparent.
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Here are a couple highlight videos of McCown with the Bears.
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Actually my real hope is that the real JF of 2012-13 steps up and shows exactly why they thought he was a good 1st round choice. So far he has been a shadow of that player with the sole exception of the 1 DT drive. I've said fairly early on that someone needed to kick his ass into rehab. so they could get his full attention about self-destructive addiction whether it's substances or limelight or both. I'm glad to see he sent his own ass there. Gives him a far better chance if he is the one who saw the light and not others. Now he can funnel that addictive behavior into learning the intricacies of QB'ing in the NFL.
Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college.
Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college.
...you want him to play against college teams?
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Agree 100 percent. I hope he shows us what made him so good in college.
...you want him to play against college teams?
...you want him to play against college teams?
Or trade for Mike Evans?
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I think the absolute worst scenario that can happen is for Manziel to be a passable QB this year.
He either has to crash and burn or play lights out. 2016 may be the year of the QB...I'd hate to miss out on a potential franchise guy because Manziel strung together a mediocre 8-8 season and our FO is still interested in what he can offer.
I also fully expect Manziel to win the starting job over McCown, if that's not apparent.
I think the absolute worst scenario that can happen is for Manziel to be a passable QB this year.
He either has to crash and burn or play lights out. 2016 may be the year of the QB...I'd hate to miss out on a potential franchise guy because Manziel strung together a mediocre 8-8 season and our FO is still interested in what he can offer.
I also fully expect Manziel to win the starting job over McCown, if that's not apparent.
Actually if JM starts all season long I would fully expect 8-8 out of essentially a rookie QB. What is important however is how he is playing the second half of the season, just like we see with others who are starting for their first full season. It's a rare bird that can come in and play lights out their entire first season in this league. But if you see JM just WING that ball rather than guide it from day one, than he has a chance and Tour's final goal is covered.
And this from another article verifies he is learning the most important concept in recovery: Change people (JG to Paul Kruger), places (The 9's to golf community) and things (drinking/partying to golf and study).
"Several sources have told Northeast Ohio Media Group that Manziel now lives near Paul Kruger, who will be a good influence on him and also enjoys golf. Another source told NEOMG that it was part of Manziel's aftercare program to move away from the party scene and into a less-tempting environment."
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I disagree with those who would say it was a total waste last year for Manziel. A big waste but not a total one. I don't see him this year as a stone cold rookie but one who has already played in pre-season, has practiced a full season with the Browns and sat in numerous meetings and watching game films and has at least a limited amount of game time from last season . My hope (back to hope) is that he can really hit the ground running this year. I believe he does have the ability to be a Russell Wilson type QB. Everything I have read about Wilson is that he has a great work ethic and spends a lot of time in game preparation as well as being a good leader. Manziel is now doing these things and is getting the trust back with the players.
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I think the absolute worst scenario that can happen is for Manziel to be a passable QB this year.
He either has to crash and burn or play lights out. 2016 may be the year of the QB...I'd hate to miss out on a potential franchise guy because Manziel strung together a mediocre 8-8 season and our FO is still interested in what he can offer.
I also fully expect Manziel to win the starting job over McCown, if that's not apparent.
Actually if JM starts all season long I would fully expect 8-8 out of essentially a rookie QB. What is important however is how he is playing the second half of the season, just like we see with others who are starting for their first full season. It's a rare bird that can come in and play lights out their entire first season in this league. But if you see JM just WING that ball rather than guide it from day one, than he has a chance and Tour's final goal is covered.
And this from another article verifies he is learning the most important concept in recovery: Change people (JG to Paul Kruger), places (The 9's to golf community) and things (drinking/partying to golf and study).
"Several sources have told Northeast Ohio Media Group that Manziel now lives near Paul Kruger, who will be a good influence on him and also enjoys golf. Another source told NEOMG that it was part of Manziel's aftercare program to move away from the party scene and into a less-tempting environment."
Actually if JM starts all season long I would fully expect 8-8 out of essentially a rookie QB. What is important however is how he is playing the second half of the season, just like we see with others who are starting for their first full season. It's a rare bird that can come in and play lights out their entire first season in this league. But if you see JM just WING that ball rather than guide it from day one, than he has a chance and Tour's final goal is covered.
And this from another article verifies he is learning the most important concept in recovery: Change people (JG to Paul Kruger), places (The 9's to golf community) and things (drinking/partying to golf and study).
"Several sources have told Northeast Ohio Media Group that Manziel now lives near Paul Kruger, who will be a good influence on him and also enjoys golf. Another source told NEOMG that it was part of Manziel's aftercare program to move away from the party scene and into a less-tempting environment."
I'm happy for his recovery, but if he goes 8-8 it's very likely that he sets this franchise back a few years.
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I can't imagine anyone being pissed off about Johnny going 8 & 8 this season, unless it's just some whiny ass troll.
I have never thought you were one of those TC so I'm guessing this is just a little hyperbole?
(besides we will need to go maybe 1 and 15 to get whichever overrated quarterback is the flavor of the month)
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Actually if JM starts all season long I would fully expect 8-8 out of essentially a rookie QB. What is important however is how he is playing the second half of the season, just like we see with others who are starting for their first full season. It's a rare bird that can come in and play lights out their entire first season in this league. But if you see JM just WING that ball rather than guide it from day one, than he has a chance and Tour's final goal is covered.
And this from another article verifies he is learning the most important concept in recovery: Change people (JG to Paul Kruger), places (The 9's to golf community) and things (drinking/partying to golf and study).
"Several sources have told Northeast Ohio Media Group that Manziel now lives near Paul Kruger, who will be a good influence on him and also enjoys golf. Another source told NEOMG that it was part of Manziel's aftercare program to move away from the party scene and into a less-tempting environment."
I'm happy for his recovery, but if he goes 8-8 it's very likely that he sets this franchise back a few years.
I'm happy for his recovery, but if he goes 8-8 it's very likely that he sets this franchise back a few years.
Depends how he plays, not the record.
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if you think johnny could go 8 and 8 this season then i guess the browns would be a perfect 16 and 0 with mccown in there!
SUPER BOWL BABY!!
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I'm happy for his recovery, but if he goes 8-8 it's very likely that he sets this franchise back a few years.
Depends how he plays, not the record.
Depends how he plays, not the record.
That was what I was alluding to Chris. If he is playing very well but loses a few close ones early on, then starts to win them later in the season-all is well and a QB is in the making.
You never know though. We might actually be winning with the elder statesman as the younger man learns to be a pro a la Farve/Rodgers that went on a few years. I'd be happy for all under those circumstances.
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I can't imagine anyone being pissed off about Johnny going 8 & 8 this season, unless it's just some whiny ass troll.
I have never thought you were one of those TC so I'm guessing this is just a little hyperbole?
(besides we will need to go maybe 1 and 15 to get whichever overrated quarterback is the flavor of the month)
WSS
I can't imagine anyone being pissed off about Johnny going 8 & 8 this season, unless it's just some whiny ass troll.
I have never thought you were one of those TC so I'm guessing this is just a little hyperbole?
(besides we will need to go maybe 1 and 15 to get whichever overrated quarterback is the flavor of the month)
WSS
I wouldn't be pissed, but I think there's a high chance it could set the franchise back. This isn't a personal thing against Manziel at all. This is strictly big picture.
There are three QB's in the 2016 Draft (at this point) that I'd say are better prospects than Manziel - Cook, Hackenberg and Jones. I firmly believe that all three could be drafted in the top 15 of the 2016 Draft.
If Manziel goes 8-8 and plays mediocre to slightly above average (56 - 58% completion / 78 - 80 average rating / roughly equal TD:INT ratio), we're likely going to stand pat with him - meaning that we could miss out on a very solid QB prospect.
So I either want Manziel to play lights out (like I have a feeling he can) or just completely play like garbage. Let us go into 2016 with a firm idea of what we have behind center so we can make the right calls in the draft.
Depends how he plays, not the record.
This is true. Although, even if he plays like crap and still leads us to a solid record, there will be plenty of people advocating for him to stay - like Hoyer when he started to play like shit.
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Hot off the presses here is a really good, summary article on why McCown is here and has a chance to replicate his 2013 season. It includes several points I've made here since his release by TB, but obviously that's not why I'm posting it...
Cleveland Browns have Terry Talkin' about how Josh McCown can make a comeback -- Terry Pluto
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/08/cleveland_browns_have_terry_ta_17.html
DOING RESEARCH
Before the Browns signed McCown to three-year, $14 million contract ($6.2 million guaranteed), they studied every snap he took for the Chicago Bears in 2013. And they did the same for how he played with Tampa Bay in 2014.
To the Browns, it was obvious that McCown throws much better out of the play action -- something used regularly by Chicago. That was not the case in Tampa Bay.
Here are some differences:
1. Tampa Bay used the play-action only 9 percent of the time. Chicago did it 21 percent with McCown. Last season, the Browns used it 29 percent. While DeFilippo has replaced Kyle Shanahan, the Browns will still use the play-action a lot.
2. Tampa Bay often had McCown in an empty backfield, not a good idea with a poor offensive line.
3. Tampa Bay ranked 29th in rushing. The Bucs scored only seven touchdowns on the ground, and McCown ran for three of those. The Browns are planning on a strong running attack. Chicago had star Matt Forte in the backfield and that made McCown much better.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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