Taking Christ's name in vain, Biden blasts biblical marriage 'bigots'
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Education makes smarter people. Smart people question things and seek answers. This process causes us to grow as a people. Smarter people will question stories in an old book. Doing something just because it is tradition will not be good enough.
Do you think, without religion (specifically Christianity), there is no basis for morality?
You are also using the fact nature hasn't fallen apart as proof of god?
You're committed to your faith, I guess that is admirable, but honestly I think you lack basic reasoning skills. Comments such as the ones you've made stating you'll reject any piece of evidence flat out if it disagrees with the bible, that just screams being close minded. I can't even imagine thinking that way.
No you are missing the point. People are not inherently good and education will not make them that way. If you don't think people are born with a sin nature you need to watch some young children, they are naturally selfish and disobedient. It is human nature that education is not going to improve. Do you think education is going to "evolve" human nature. You are sadly mistaken.
What do you think communism was about? If everyone in society is equal, then everyone will choose to act properly. They will work to the best of their ability and take only what they need from the community.
Does Marxism, Communism or socialism work? We’ve already seen the Soviet Union abandon it. China is abandoning it. In practice, a few rule and oppress the masses – keeping them in poverty. Taxes go way up, and productivity goes way down, etc. People are basically selfish and don’t work for the good of society. It’s only those in leadership, with all the privileges, who tell everyone else how wonderful Marxism, Communism or Socialism is.
The early church had a form of communism. They had a type of wealth re-distribution where those who had more than they needed shared with other churches who were in need. That system only worked because the early church had changed hearts and the love of God in their lives. It is the nature of man, the heart that is corrupt and needs what Jesus said to be born again. Education will never touch that or improve it.
No you are missing the point. People are not inherently good and education will not make them that way. If you don't think people are born with a sin nature you need to watch some young children, they are naturally selfish and disobedient. It is human nature that education is not going to improve. Do you think education is going to "evolve" human nature. You are sadly mistaken.
What do you think communism was about? If everyone in society is equal, then everyone will choose to act properly. They will work to the best of their ability and take only what they need from the community.
Does Marxism, Communism or socialism work? Weve already seen the Soviet Union abandon it. China is abandoning it. In practice, a few rule and oppress the masses keeping them in poverty. Taxes go way up, and productivity goes way down, etc. People are basically selfish and dont work for the good of society. Its only those in leadership, with all the privileges, who tell everyone else how wonderful Marxism, Communism or Socialism is.
The early church had a form of communism. They had a type of wealth re-distribution where those who had more than they needed shared with other churches who were in need. That system only worked because the early church had changed hearts and the love of God in their lives. It is the nature of man, the heart that is corrupt and needs what Jesus said to be born again. Education will never touch that or improve it.
No, I'm pretty sure you're missing the point. To start, I never said education makes people good...
Education will advance us as a people. That doesn't mean we'll all be good people. It just means we'll become more advanced as a whole and hopefully work past things like religion, that hold no scientific base to them.
Communism? Socialism? Wtf? How did you get on this path?
(tho I enjoy the comment that socialism is always bad, unless it is for Jesus... Because God...)
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Yes Cal, being smarter and learning more is evil and should be avoided.
Yes Cal, being smarter and learning more is evil and should be avoided.
Liberal elitists and their education.
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I don't get how people think that becoming more educated, or less religious, means being more immoral in some way.
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I'm not religious and I am in a university. Does that make me evil? Yes? Cool.
Actually, my moral compass is solid and I think I'm a pretty friendly and respectful guy even if we may disagree.
Here's what I would be interested in reading because your guys banter and ignoring of others just to get your own point across has become extremely boring:
Christians of this board, make a compelling argument that Christianity is correct without using the bible as a source. Because if the bible makes you correct then why is the Koran incorrect? (Besides the appalling nature of some of the savage things the Koran teaches)
And before I get labeled as a libtard let's be clear that my vote consistently goes to the right.
"The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things " - mike huckabee -
I don't get how people think that becoming more educated, or less religious, means being more immoral in some way.
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You are not living with any faith unless it is faith in yourself. You are also living without any hope. Not a way I would want to live.
Wait, what? I don't believe in the stories in an old book so I have no faith or hope?
I hope we can get to a point where religion is not a major part of society. I have faith that, as we become more intelligent as a whole, we'll get there.
Wait, what? I don't believe in the stories in an old book so I have no faith or hope?
I hope we can get to a point where religion is not a major part of society. I have faith that, as we become more intelligent as a whole, we'll get there.
I will take my hope and faith over what you just listed. Knowledge does not always translate into wisdom. What do you mean as we get more intelligent we'll get there? The technology is great but the nature of man has not evolved through knowledge. People today are excatly like they were in bible times but with cell phones and lap taps.
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Wait, what? I don't believe in the stories in an old book so I have no faith or hope?
I hope we can get to a point where religion is not a major part of society. I have faith that, as we become more intelligent as a whole, we'll get there.
I will take my hope and faith over what you just listed. Knowledge does not always translate into wisdom. What do you mean as we get more intelligent we'll get there? The technology is great but the nature of man has not evolved through knowledge. People today are excatly like they were in bible times but with cell phones and lap taps.
I will take my hope and faith over what you just listed. Knowledge does not always translate into wisdom. What do you mean as we get more intelligent we'll get there? The technology is great but the nature of man has not evolved through knowledge. People today are excatly like they were in bible times but with cell phones and lap taps.
Wowza.
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Wait, what? I don't believe in the stories in an old book so I have no faith or hope?
I hope we can get to a point where religion is not a major part of society. I have faith that, as we become more intelligent as a whole, we'll get there.
I will take my hope and faith over what you just listed. Knowledge does not always translate into wisdom. What do you mean as we get more intelligent we'll get there? The technology is great but the nature of man has not evolved through knowledge. People today are excatly like they were in bible times but with cell phones and lap taps.
I will take my hope and faith over what you just listed. Knowledge does not always translate into wisdom. What do you mean as we get more intelligent we'll get there? The technology is great but the nature of man has not evolved through knowledge. People today are excatly like they were in bible times but with cell phones and lap taps.
Reeeeaaaallllllyyyy?
Still waiting for that time table.
Also, for the Koran and its teachings being 'brutal' lets not forget the Old Testament does have its moment that aren't shining examples of how to NOT be brutal.
Cal - please don't lump me in with other atheists. I carry a certain degree of faith, however much like anything else I apply logic and critical thinking to avoid full indoctrination.
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I will take my hope and faith over what you just listed. Knowledge does not always translate into wisdom. What do you mean as we get more intelligent we'll get there? The technology is great but the nature of man has not evolved through knowledge. People today are excatly like they were in bible times but with cell phones and lap taps.
Reeeeaaaallllllyyyy?
Still waiting for that time table.
Also, for the Koran and its teachings being 'brutal' lets not forget the Old Testament does have its moment that aren't shining examples of how to NOT be brutal.
Cal - please don't lump me in with other atheists. I carry a certain degree of faith, however much like anything else I apply logic and critical thinking to avoid full indoctrination.
Reeeeaaaallllllyyyy?
Still waiting for that time table.
Also, for the Koran and its teachings being 'brutal' lets not forget the Old Testament does have its moment that aren't shining examples of how to NOT be brutal.
Cal - please don't lump me in with other atheists. I carry a certain degree of faith, however much like anything else I apply logic and critical thinking to avoid full indoctrination.
I posted a link to a site with 50 signs we are living in the end times. if you can't see it pray about it.
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Wait, what? I don't believe in the stories in an old book so I have no faith or hope?
I hope we can get to a point where religion is not a major part of society. I have faith that, as we become more intelligent as a whole, we'll get there.
I will take my hope and faith over what you just listed. Knowledge does not always translate into wisdom. What do you mean as we get more intelligent we'll get there? The technology is great but the nature of man has not evolved through knowledge. People today are excatly like they were in bible times but with cell phones and lap taps.
I will take my hope and faith over what you just listed. Knowledge does not always translate into wisdom. What do you mean as we get more intelligent we'll get there? The technology is great but the nature of man has not evolved through knowledge. People today are excatly like they were in bible times but with cell phones and lap taps.
Ummmm.... Not quite. For one we understand the Earth isn't 6,000 years old.
Ancient man didn't understand why the sun disappeared every night, so they used religion to explain it.
Our "modern" religions are just a step up.
We eventually learned why the sun disappears, what causes a strong harvest, etc, so we shunned and laughed at these ancient religions.
Modern man is now getting that same type of grasp on much more complex issues (evolution, creation of the earth, the universe, etc) and we will take the same path with these modern religions.
Someone today won't worship a Norse god because he has a basic understanding of the world. What will happen as our understanding grows?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I'm not religious and I am in a university. Does that make me evil? Yes? Cool.
Actually, my moral compass is solid and I think I'm a pretty friendly and respectful guy even if we may disagree.
Here's what I would be interested in reading because your guys banter and ignoring of others just to get your own point across has become extremely boring:
Christians of this board, make a compelling argument that Christianity is correct without using the bible as a source. Because if the bible makes you correct then why is the Koran incorrect? (Besides the appalling nature of some of the savage things the Koran teaches)
And before I get labeled as a libtard let's be clear that my vote consistently goes to the right.
I'm not religious and I am in a university. Does that make me evil? Yes? Cool.
Actually, my moral compass is solid and I think I'm a pretty friendly and respectful guy even if we may disagree.
Here's what I would be interested in reading because your guys banter and ignoring of others just to get your own point across has become extremely boring:
Christians of this board, make a compelling argument that Christianity is correct without using the bible as a source. Because if the bible makes you correct then why is the Koran incorrect? (Besides the appalling nature of some of the savage things the Koran teaches)
And before I get labeled as a libtard let's be clear that my vote consistently goes to the right.
I found this on the net which dealt with logic that I thought was interesting:
https://carm.org/logic-apologetics
This is one that I knew I was doing but didn't know how to avoid it. I have never studied the bible to debate it, I just accept it. All my arguments would come from the bible.
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I will take my hope and faith over what you just listed. Knowledge does not always translate into wisdom. What do you mean as we get more intelligent we'll get there? The technology is great but the nature of man has not evolved through knowledge. People today are excatly like they were in bible times but with cell phones and lap taps.
Ummmm.... Not quite. For one we understand the Earth isn't 6,000 years old.
Ancient man didn't understand why the sun disappeared every night, so they used religion to explain it.
Our "modern" religions are just a step up.
We eventually learned why the sun disappears, what causes a strong harvest, etc, so we shunned and laughed at these ancient religions.
Modern man is now getting that same type of grasp on much more complex issues (evolution, creation of the earth, the universe, etc) and we will take the same path with these modern religions.
Someone today won't worship a Norse god because he has a basic understanding of the world. What will happen as our understanding grows?
Ummmm.... Not quite. For one we understand the Earth isn't 6,000 years old.
Ancient man didn't understand why the sun disappeared every night, so they used religion to explain it.
Our "modern" religions are just a step up.
We eventually learned why the sun disappears, what causes a strong harvest, etc, so we shunned and laughed at these ancient religions.
Modern man is now getting that same type of grasp on much more complex issues (evolution, creation of the earth, the universe, etc) and we will take the same path with these modern religions.
Someone today won't worship a Norse god because he has a basic understanding of the world. What will happen as our understanding grows?
The bottom line for me is this: If I am right I have lived the best life possible and I go on to be with the Lord either at death or when He returns. I would not change a thing.
If I am wrong I still have lived the best life possible and I would not change a thing.
Either way I win.
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Ummmm.... Not quite. For one we understand the Earth isn't 6,000 years old.
Ancient man didn't understand why the sun disappeared every night, so they used religion to explain it.
Our "modern" religions are just a step up.
We eventually learned why the sun disappears, what causes a strong harvest, etc, so we shunned and laughed at these ancient religions.
Modern man is now getting that same type of grasp on much more complex issues (evolution, creation of the earth, the universe, etc) and we will take the same path with these modern religions.
Someone today won't worship a Norse god because he has a basic understanding of the world. What will happen as our understanding grows?
The bottom line for me is this: If I am right I have lived the best life possible and I go on to be with the Lord either at death or when He returns. I would not change a thing.
If I am wrong I still have lived the best life possible and I would not change a thing.
Either way I win.
The bottom line for me is this: If I am right I have lived the best life possible and I go on to be with the Lord either at death or when He returns. I would not change a thing.
If I am wrong I still have lived the best life possible and I would not change a thing.
Either way I win.
Investing into nonsense my whole life would make me a little upset in hindsight if I was wrong. But that is only me.
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Ummmm.... Not quite. For one we understand the Earth isn't 6,000 years old.
Ancient man didn't understand why the sun disappeared every night, so they used religion to explain it.
Our "modern" religions are just a step up.
We eventually learned why the sun disappears, what causes a strong harvest, etc, so we shunned and laughed at these ancient religions.
Modern man is now getting that same type of grasp on much more complex issues (evolution, creation of the earth, the universe, etc) and we will take the same path with these modern religions.
Someone today won't worship a Norse god because he has a basic understanding of the world. What will happen as our understanding grows?
The bottom line for me is this: If I am right I have lived the best life possible and I go on to be with the Lord either at death or when He returns. I would not change a thing.
If I am wrong I still have lived the best life possible and I would not change a thing.
Either way I win.
The bottom line for me is this: If I am right I have lived the best life possible and I go on to be with the Lord either at death or when He returns. I would not change a thing.
If I am wrong I still have lived the best life possible and I would not change a thing.
Either way I win.
That's great, and I hope you are happy either way, and I'm sure you will be. Personally, I'm sure that as long as someone leads a good life, a loving, just god would accept them either way and you'll end up in the same situation. If any god is not loving or just, I wouldn't be too happy about worshipping it.
But all that's irrelevant, people can believe what they want to believe. Just, leave anything that requires faith at the door when dealing with things that affect everyone who doesn't share that faith.
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What they said
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The bottom line for me is this: If I am right I have lived the best life possible and I go on to be with the Lord either at death or when He returns. I would not change a thing.
If I am wrong I still have lived the best life possible and I would not change a thing.
Either way I win.
Investing into nonsense my whole life would make me a little upset in hindsight if I was wrong. But that is only me.
Investing into nonsense my whole life would make me a little upset in hindsight if I was wrong. But that is only me.
I have had a few miracles happen along the way. Let alone the lifestyle I got away from probably would have done me in long before now. The bible is full of wisdom I have used and it has always worked in daily life. I have seen prayer and faith in that old book change things. I have no doubt about it.
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The bottom line for me is this: If I am right I have lived the best life possible and I go on to be with the Lord either at death or when He returns. I would not change a thing.
If I am wrong I still have lived the best life possible and I would not change a thing.
Either way I win.
That's great, and I hope you are happy either way, and I'm sure you will be. Personally, I'm sure that as long as someone leads a good life, a loving, just god would accept them either way and you'll end up in the same situation. If any god is not loving or just, I wouldn't be too happy about worshipping it.
But all that's irrelevant, people can believe what they want to believe. Just, leave anything that requires faith at the door when dealing with things that affect everyone who doesn't share that faith.
That's great, and I hope you are happy either way, and I'm sure you will be. Personally, I'm sure that as long as someone leads a good life, a loving, just god would accept them either way and you'll end up in the same situation. If any god is not loving or just, I wouldn't be too happy about worshipping it.
But all that's irrelevant, people can believe what they want to believe. Just, leave anything that requires faith at the door when dealing with things that affect everyone who doesn't share that faith.
God is loving and just. That is why He sent His Son. Christians are called to share their faith. That is all I am doing. I know many Christians today who are grateful someone once reached out to them with the gospel (good news)
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That's great, and I hope you are happy either way, and I'm sure you will be. Personally, I'm sure that as long as someone leads a good life, a loving, just god would accept them either way and you'll end up in the same situation. If any god is not loving or just, I wouldn't be too happy about worshipping it.
But all that's irrelevant, people can believe what they want to believe. Just, leave anything that requires faith at the door when dealing with things that affect everyone who doesn't share that faith.
God is loving and just. That is why He sent His Son. Christians are called to share their faith. That is all I am doing. I know many Christians today who are grateful someone once reached out to them with the gospel (good news)
God is loving and just. That is why He sent His Son.
Then believing or not believing is irrelevant as long as we're good people?
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God is loving and just. That is why He sent His Son.
Then believing or not believing is irrelevant as long as we're good people?
Then believing or not believing is irrelevant as long as we're good people?
Jesus said you must be born again. There is only one way to be born again, Romans 10:9,10. I won't type the scripture as it won't hurt you to look it up.
It does not matter what your church denomination is what matters is are you born again?
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