Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Zombo said:
Why wouldn't he?
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Not a wild statement here, but I'm hopeful Manziel shines the brightest and starts week 1. We know the ceiling with McCown and it's all but likely 6-10, 7-9. Manziel is still IMO a boom or bust dude, but with the depth on next year's QB class i'd rather be picking top 5 instead of 12, 13.
Of course, I'd love the most to be drafting 32.
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Not a wild statement here, but I'm hopeful Manziel shines the brightest and starts week 1. We know the ceiling with McCown and it's all but likely 6-10, 7-9. Manziel is still IMO a boom or bust dude, but with the depth on next year's QB class i'd rather be picking top 5 instead of 12, 13.
Of course, I'd love the most to be drafting 32.
Not a wild statement here, but I'm hopeful Manziel shines the brightest and starts week 1. We know the ceiling with McCown and it's all but likely 6-10, 7-9. Manziel is still IMO a boom or bust dude, but with the depth on next year's QB class i'd rather be picking top 5 instead of 12, 13.
Of course, I'd love the most to be drafting 32.
i'm not going to get into a mccown vs. manziel debate but i doubt if you can clearly say mccown has a ceiling.
he played good in chicago with a running game and a great #1 WR and absolutely no defense. now put our defense on that team and all of a sudden mccown's ceiling is raised 4-5 games.
i really doubt that manziel, even with his 'alcohol addiction' (lol) under control, that he'll put up much of a fight in another so-called QB competition.
btw can you just name the frickin starting QB instead of having this loom over TC AGAIN? now all the little fanboys will come back everytime manziel throws a 30 yarder in practice vs. the 2nd string defense.
can't wait.......
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Not a wild statement here, but I'm hopeful Manziel shines the brightest and starts week 1. We know the ceiling with McCown and it's all but likely 6-10, 7-9. Manziel is still IMO a boom or bust dude, but with the depth on next year's QB class i'd rather be picking top 5 instead of 12, 13.
Of course, I'd love the most to be drafting 32.
i'm not going to get into a mccown vs. manziel debate but i doubt if you can clearly say mccown has a ceiling.
he played good in chicago with a running game and a great #1 WR and absolutely no defense. now put our defense on that team and all of a sudden mccown's ceiling is raised 4-5 games.
i really doubt that manziel, even with his 'alcohol addiction' (lol) under control, that he'll put up much of a fight in another so-called QB competition.
btw can you just name the frickin starting QB instead of having this loom over TC AGAIN? now all the little fanboys will come back everytime manziel throws a 30 yarder in practice vs. the 2nd string defense.
can't wait.......
i'm not going to get into a mccown vs. manziel debate but i doubt if you can clearly say mccown has a ceiling.
he played good in chicago with a running game and a great #1 WR and absolutely no defense. now put our defense on that team and all of a sudden mccown's ceiling is raised 4-5 games.
i really doubt that manziel, even with his 'alcohol addiction' (lol) under control, that he'll put up much of a fight in another so-called QB competition.
btw can you just name the frickin starting QB instead of having this loom over TC AGAIN? now all the little fanboys will come back everytime manziel throws a 30 yarder in practice vs. the 2nd string defense.
can't wait.......
I may be mistaken, but has Pettine not all but said that McCown is going to be the starter this season?
I think he's done it right. McCown is the starter and that's what to expect, but if Johnny wants the job, he's gonna have to prove that he's the decisively better option. No "maybes" or "let's see" or other ambiguities that we went through last season...
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Problem is he is 35 years old, and sucked with Tamp Bay. I wouldn't hold my breathe.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I'm just saying if someone says he can be Comeback POTY, unless you're just an anal nitpicker, there's really no reason to get all indignant about how he has nothing to come back from.
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Some are just so hell bent on not letting anything bad be said about Johnny. Lame.
There's plenty of legit criticism of JFF. I don't comment on the vast majority of it. Calling him 5'10" when that's proven untrue or getting butthurt because someone said he's going to be Comeback POTY strikes me as odd.
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Problem is he is 35 years old, and sucked with Tamp Bay. I wouldn't hold my breathe.
Problem is he is 35 years old, and sucked with Tamp Bay. I wouldn't hold my breathe.
i know you are pulling for manziel, hey it'd be great if he came through. all i'm saying with what has happened thus far i personally don't see it.
tampa bay has no offensive line, none. can't wait to see winston get chewed up and spat out this year.
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i'm not going to get into a mccown vs. manziel debate but i doubt if you can clearly say mccown has a ceiling.
he played good in chicago with a running game and a great #1 WR and absolutely no defense. now put our defense on that team and all of a sudden mccown's ceiling is raised 4-5 games.
i really doubt that manziel, even with his 'alcohol addiction' (lol) under control, that he'll put up much of a fight in another so-called QB competition.
btw can you just name the frickin starting QB instead of having this loom over TC AGAIN? now all the little fanboys will come back everytime manziel throws a 30 yarder in practice vs. the 2nd string defense.
can't wait.......
I may be mistaken, but has Pettine not all but said that McCown is going to be the starter this season?
I think he's done it right. McCown is the starter and that's what to expect, but if Johnny wants the job, he's gonna have to prove that he's the decisively better option. No "maybes" or "let's see" or other ambiguities that we went through last season...
I may be mistaken, but has Pettine not all but said that McCown is going to be the starter this season?
I think he's done it right. McCown is the starter and that's what to expect, but if Johnny wants the job, he's gonna have to prove that he's the decisively better option. No "maybes" or "let's see" or other ambiguities that we went through last season...
Well as for myself I believe each and every syllable a coach has to say in April.
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I pull for Manziel because I think he has potential. I think Mccown is a clown.
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that clown will be the starting qb for the browns when the season starts so.........
hope you like clowns.
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If he is, were fucked.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
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I may be mistaken, but has Pettine not all but said that McCown is going to be the starter this season?
I think he's done it right. McCown is the starter and that's what to expect, but if Johnny wants the job, he's gonna have to prove that he's the decisively better option. No "maybes" or "let's see" or other ambiguities that we went through last season...
Well as for myself I believe each and every syllable a coach has to say in April.
WSS
Well as for myself I believe each and every syllable a coach has to say in April.
WSS
Haha... Fair enough. Mik had just mentioned that he wanted to hear that they had announced a starter and not to dick around like they did last year.
I feel as though they've already made it clear what the intention is, so it shouldn't be something we're faced with again.
But Manziel wows the coaches? I don't know... Maybe that just doesn't seem realistic to me.
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Mik, would you?
Mik, would you?
I would......shes smokin.....I think it's the hat!
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Not a wild statement here, but I'm hopeful Manziel shines the brightest and starts week 1. We know the ceiling with McCown and it's all but likely 6-10, 7-9. Manziel is still IMO a boom or bust dude, but with the depth on next year's QB class i'd rather be picking top 5 instead of 12, 13.
Of course, I'd love the most to be drafting 32.
i'm not going to get into a mccown vs. manziel debate but i doubt if you can clearly say mccown has a ceiling.
he played good in chicago with a running game and a great #1 WR and absolutely no defense. now put our defense on that team and all of a sudden mccown's ceiling is raised 4-5 games.
i really doubt that manziel, even with his 'alcohol addiction' (lol) under control, that he'll put up much of a fight in another so-called QB competition.
btw can you just name the frickin starting QB instead of having this loom over TC AGAIN? now all the little fanboys will come back everytime manziel throws a 30 yarder in practice vs. the 2nd string defense.
can't wait.......
i'm not going to get into a mccown vs. manziel debate but i doubt if you can clearly say mccown has a ceiling.
he played good in chicago with a running game and a great #1 WR and absolutely no defense. now put our defense on that team and all of a sudden mccown's ceiling is raised 4-5 games.
i really doubt that manziel, even with his 'alcohol addiction' (lol) under control, that he'll put up much of a fight in another so-called QB competition.
btw can you just name the frickin starting QB instead of having this loom over TC AGAIN? now all the little fanboys will come back everytime manziel throws a 30 yarder in practice vs. the 2nd string defense.
can't wait.......
yeah, no reason to get into the same old convo but I think McCown with however many years he's got in the league is who he is. I totally agree though, I'd rather McCown be named the starter then go through the coin flip back and forth of a QB battle again.
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I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
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I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
And why can't Manziel be a pocket passer?
Because of his college scheme? Because Shanahan was a shitty offensive coordinator last year?
It's unlikely that he becomes one, but there are plenty of examples of mobile quarterbacks who are efficient pocket passers and have/had solid careers- Wilson, Rodgers, Stabler, Young, Moom and Tarkenton.
Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. That's the biggest problem "mobile" QB's face.
Also - here's a decent article about he success of rushing quarterbacks in the NFL.
http://www.burkmont.com/2015/01/name-mobile-quarterback-who-won_19.html?m=1
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