Jonathan Paul Manziel
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i'm not going to get into a mccown vs. manziel debate but i doubt if you can clearly say mccown has a ceiling.
he played good in chicago with a running game and a great #1 WR and absolutely no defense. now put our defense on that team and all of a sudden mccown's ceiling is raised 4-5 games.
i really doubt that manziel, even with his 'alcohol addiction' (lol) under control, that he'll put up much of a fight in another so-called QB competition.
btw can you just name the frickin starting QB instead of having this loom over TC AGAIN? now all the little fanboys will come back everytime manziel throws a 30 yarder in practice vs. the 2nd string defense.
can't wait.......
I may be mistaken, but has Pettine not all but said that McCown is going to be the starter this season?
I think he's done it right. McCown is the starter and that's what to expect, but if Johnny wants the job, he's gonna have to prove that he's the decisively better option. No "maybes" or "let's see" or other ambiguities that we went through last season...
I may be mistaken, but has Pettine not all but said that McCown is going to be the starter this season?
I think he's done it right. McCown is the starter and that's what to expect, but if Johnny wants the job, he's gonna have to prove that he's the decisively better option. No "maybes" or "let's see" or other ambiguities that we went through last season...
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I pull for Manziel because I think he has potential. I think Mccown is a clown.
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that clown will be the starting qb for the browns when the season starts so.........
hope you like clowns.
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If he is, were fucked.
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I may be mistaken, but has Pettine not all but said that McCown is going to be the starter this season?
I think he's done it right. McCown is the starter and that's what to expect, but if Johnny wants the job, he's gonna have to prove that he's the decisively better option. No "maybes" or "let's see" or other ambiguities that we went through last season...
Well as for myself I believe each and every syllable a coach has to say in April.
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Well as for myself I believe each and every syllable a coach has to say in April.
WSS
Haha... Fair enough. Mik had just mentioned that he wanted to hear that they had announced a starter and not to dick around like they did last year.
I feel as though they've already made it clear what the intention is, so it shouldn't be something we're faced with again.
But Manziel wows the coaches? I don't know... Maybe that just doesn't seem realistic to me.
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Mik, would you?
Mik, would you?
I would......shes smokin.....I think it's the hat!
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Not a wild statement here, but I'm hopeful Manziel shines the brightest and starts week 1. We know the ceiling with McCown and it's all but likely 6-10, 7-9. Manziel is still IMO a boom or bust dude, but with the depth on next year's QB class i'd rather be picking top 5 instead of 12, 13.
Of course, I'd love the most to be drafting 32.
i'm not going to get into a mccown vs. manziel debate but i doubt if you can clearly say mccown has a ceiling.
he played good in chicago with a running game and a great #1 WR and absolutely no defense. now put our defense on that team and all of a sudden mccown's ceiling is raised 4-5 games.
i really doubt that manziel, even with his 'alcohol addiction' (lol) under control, that he'll put up much of a fight in another so-called QB competition.
btw can you just name the frickin starting QB instead of having this loom over TC AGAIN? now all the little fanboys will come back everytime manziel throws a 30 yarder in practice vs. the 2nd string defense.
can't wait.......
i'm not going to get into a mccown vs. manziel debate but i doubt if you can clearly say mccown has a ceiling.
he played good in chicago with a running game and a great #1 WR and absolutely no defense. now put our defense on that team and all of a sudden mccown's ceiling is raised 4-5 games.
i really doubt that manziel, even with his 'alcohol addiction' (lol) under control, that he'll put up much of a fight in another so-called QB competition.
btw can you just name the frickin starting QB instead of having this loom over TC AGAIN? now all the little fanboys will come back everytime manziel throws a 30 yarder in practice vs. the 2nd string defense.
can't wait.......
yeah, no reason to get into the same old convo but I think McCown with however many years he's got in the league is who he is. I totally agree though, I'd rather McCown be named the starter then go through the coin flip back and forth of a QB battle again.
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I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
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I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
And why can't Manziel be a pocket passer?
Because of his college scheme? Because Shanahan was a shitty offensive coordinator last year?
It's unlikely that he becomes one, but there are plenty of examples of mobile quarterbacks who are efficient pocket passers and have/had solid careers- Wilson, Rodgers, Stabler, Young, Moom and Tarkenton.
Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. That's the biggest problem "mobile" QB's face.
Also - here's a decent article about he success of rushing quarterbacks in the NFL.
http://www.burkmont.com/2015/01/name-mobile-quarterback-who-won_19.html?m=1
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I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
And why can't Manziel be a pocket passer?
Because of his college scheme? Because Shanahan was a shitty offensive coordinator last year?
It's unlikely that he becomes one, but there are plenty of examples of mobile quarterbacks who are efficient pocket passers and have/had solid careers- Wilson, Rodgers, Stabler, Young, Moom and Tarkenton.
Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. That's the biggest problem "mobile" QB's face.
Also - here's a decent article about he success of rushing quarterbacks in the NFL.
http://www.burkmont.com/2015/01/name-mobile-quarterback-who-won_19.html?m=1
And why can't Manziel be a pocket passer?
Because of his college scheme? Because Shanahan was a shitty offensive coordinator last year?
It's unlikely that he becomes one, but there are plenty of examples of mobile quarterbacks who are efficient pocket passers and have/had solid careers- Wilson, Rodgers, Stabler, Young, Moom and Tarkenton.
Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. That's the biggest problem "mobile" QB's face.
Also - here's a decent article about he success of rushing quarterbacks in the NFL.
http://www.burkmont.com/2015/01/name-mobile-quarterback-who-won_19.html?m=1
And the difference is the QB's you mentioned besides Wilson came from "Run' first offenses in College.. They learned in the Pocket first Mentality scheme..They didnt have much in the way of "Spread offenses" back then. Tark had a crap line and was forced to run and he was a Magician at it
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And why can't Manziel be a pocket passer?
Because of his college scheme? Because Shanahan was a shitty offensive coordinator last year?
It's unlikely that he becomes one, but there are plenty of examples of mobile quarterbacks who are efficient pocket passers and have/had solid careers- Wilson, Rodgers, Stabler, Young, Moom and Tarkenton.
Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. That's the biggest problem "mobile" QB's face.
Also - here's a decent article about he success of rushing quarterbacks in the NFL.
http://www.burkmont.com/2015/01/name-mobile-quarterback-who-won_19.html?m=1
And the difference is the QB's you mentioned besides Wilson came from "Run' first offenses in College.. They learned in the Pocket first Mentality scheme..They didnt have much in the way of "Spread offenses" back then. Tark had a crap line and was forced to run and he was a Magician at it
And the difference is the QB's you mentioned besides Wilson came from "Run' first offenses in College.. They learned in the Pocket first Mentality scheme..They didnt have much in the way of "Spread offenses" back then. Tark had a crap line and was forced to run and he was a Magician at it
Not really. Rodgers played under Jim Tedford, who was considered to be somewhat of a spread, system coordinator. Granted, Tedford's system enabled quarterbacks to make pre-snap reads, but it's still more spread influenced than pro-style. Rodgers gunned the ball all over the field, it was not a run first offense.
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I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
And why can't Manziel be a pocket passer?
Because of his college scheme? Because Shanahan was a shitty offensive coordinator last year?
It's unlikely that he becomes one, but there are plenty of examples of mobile quarterbacks who are efficient pocket passers and have/had solid careers- Wilson, Rodgers, Stabler, Young, Moom and Tarkenton.
Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. That's the biggest problem "mobile" QB's face.
Also - here's a decent article about he success of rushing quarterbacks in the NFL.
http://www.burkmont.com/2015/01/name-mobile-quarterback-who-won_19.html?m=1
And why can't Manziel be a pocket passer?
Because of his college scheme? Because Shanahan was a shitty offensive coordinator last year?
It's unlikely that he becomes one, but there are plenty of examples of mobile quarterbacks who are efficient pocket passers and have/had solid careers- Wilson, Rodgers, Stabler, Young, Moom and Tarkenton.
Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. That's the biggest problem "mobile" QB's face.
How long does it take for something learned to become one's "nature"?
If you ask JM to not run, that will be the 2nd change he's had to make as a pro... 3rd if you count actually learning an offense.
It's a lot to ask.
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And why can't Manziel be a pocket passer?
Because of his college scheme? Because Shanahan was a shitty offensive coordinator last year?
It's unlikely that he becomes one, but there are plenty of examples of mobile quarterbacks who are efficient pocket passers and have/had solid careers- Wilson, Rodgers, Stabler, Young, Moom and Tarkenton.
Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. That's the biggest problem "mobile" QB's face.
How long does it take for something learned to become one's "nature"?
If you ask JM to not run, that will be the 2nd change he's had to make as a pro... 3rd if you count actually learning an offense.
It's a lot to ask.
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more like 21 years.
hiccup.
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I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
Donovan McNabb went to 5 NFC championship games and a Super Bowl, 6 time Pro Bowler. If a Browns QB put that type of resume up before I die I'd name my first born son after him.
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I personally wish we could trade Manziel.. I see him as nothing but a major distraction to this team. And that is weather or not he succeeds or not as a QB.. I think its a distraction this team does not need.. I personally hope he falls flat on his head and we dump him,. I want a pocket passer.. That's where the game is won.... Think about it.. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick and Donovan 'choke' McNabb have netted 0 championships.
Donovan McNabb went to 5 NFC championship games and a Super Bowl, 6 time Pro Bowler. If a Browns QB put that type of resume up before I die I'd name my first born son after him.
Donovan McNabb went to 5 NFC championship games and a Super Bowl, 6 time Pro Bowler. If a Browns QB put that type of resume up before I die I'd name my first born son after him.
really? i'd rather have a son that can speak literate english and not sound like one of the cosby kids.
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If he is, were fucked.
Because with Johnny starting the team be in such a better position to succeed?!?!If he is, were fucked.
If Manziel can't beat out McCown then McCown is the best choice for this team.
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