Power 5 realignment
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Let's add Chicago. Aren't they in the B1G for academics anyway?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
So of the teams that are now in P5 conferences, the following get left out:
Baylor, Iowa State, TCU. It would be hard to shut Baylor out because they've made big strides as a program that will last long term (new beautiful stadium first and foremost), but they may be too close geographically (no new market) to A&M and UT to be taken instead of Texas Tech in the PAC. TCU has been good under Patterson but aside from that there aren't many compelling reasons to include them in the field of 64. Stadium is abysmally small. They play some games with literally 15,000 people there. Very weak fan base and no command of the DFW TV market.
So of the teams that are now in P5 conferences, the following get left out:
Baylor, Iowa State, TCU. It would be hard to shut Baylor out because they've made big strides as a program that will last long term (new beautiful stadium first and foremost), but they may be too close geographically (no new market) to A&M and UT to be taken instead of Texas Tech in the PAC. TCU has been good under Patterson but aside from that there aren't many compelling reasons to include them in the field of 64. Stadium is abysmally small. They play some games with literally 15,000 people there. Very weak fan base and no command of the DFW TV market.
Well, I was going for expansion rather than contraction. As for "tiers" the NCAA doesn't recognize tiers among the schools I have mentioned...though we know they exist. (yes, some of those MWC schools may be tantamount to MAC level schools....but unlike MAC schools, those schools are the top level in their states).
As for TCU....the fact is they have been the most competitive school in Texas the last decade...., so I see no more compelling reason than that to include them....and there are stadiums in Dallas that they can play in if need be....including the Jerry Dome.
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WVU is a stretch academically for the B1G
While yes, WVU would be the lowest ranked school academically of the 16 BiG Ten schools I mention.....it wouldn't be that far off. I mean, it not like its the University of Phoenix or something.
Plus, it has one other factor in common with many other Big Ten schools: It is a Original Land Grant University....established in the 1860s or 1890s. There are only 57 schools in the country that have that distinction....including Ten of Big Ten schools: Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn St. Ohio St. Purdue, Maryland, Minnesota, Michigan St. Nebraska, Rutgers...and Connecticut (my other nominee)
(Only Northwester, Mich, Indiana and Iowa are not Land Grant.
That is an important consideration for these programs believe it or not...which could trump a somewhat lower academic ranking.
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I've never heard of being a Land Grant university as one of the determining factors for adding a school to the B1G. Not that it is incorrect, I've just never heard that. Competitiveness, TV Market, location, culture, academics, etc... Yeah. But not land grant.
That got me interested so I did some quick googling (mainly wondering why Michigan and the other three weren't). It looks like these were based off of legislation from 1862. Those four universities were founded earlier than that. Michigan was all of the way back in 1817. I imagine this is why Michigan, Indiana, etc aren't Land Grant Universities.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Let's add Chicago. Aren't they in the B1G for academics anyway?
They are.....already considered a member:
Big Ten universities—or, in two cases, their parent university systems—are also members of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC), a leading academic consortium of Big Ten universities and the University of Chicago. In 2012, CIC members generated more than $10 billion in research expenditures.[3
But for sports, they play at the D-III level. Here is there 2015 schedule:
Date Opponent Time Sept. 5 Case Western Reserve 12 PM Sept. 19 at Millsaps* 1 PM Sept. 26 Centre* 1 PM Oct. 3 at Birmingham Southern* 1 PM Oct. 10 Berry* 12 PM Oct. 17 at Rhodes* 1 PM Oct. 24 Hendrix* (Homecoming) 1:25 PM Oct. 31 Sewanee* (Senior Day) 12 PM Nov. 7 at Carnegie Mellon 12 PM (ET) Nov. 14 at Washington-St. Louis* 12 PMLast year they played Trinity where my daughter attend, the year before they played Kenyon where my son went....
So....while they may be a school that an SEC might like to schedule....the Big Ten schools would not play them.
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Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah! The big ten conference has 14 members? What. The. FUCK?!
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Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah! The big ten conference has 14 members? What. The. FUCK?!
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Right Gipper. I want to make Chicago a power again.
Though NW may not be too happy about it...
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Right Gipper. I want to make Chicago a power again.
Though NW may not be too happy about it...
Right Gipper. I want to make Chicago a power again.
Though NW may not be too happy about it...
Yea, that won't happen. UC has no interest in having that happen.
If a team were to be "elevated" in the strength of its program from the Big Ten country, it would have to probably come from the likes of Ohio U, Indiana St., Illinois St. or the like.
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Cincy!
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So of the teams that are now in P5 conferences, the following get left out:
Baylor, Iowa State, TCU. It would be hard to shut Baylor out because they've made big strides as a program that will last long term (new beautiful stadium first and foremost), but they may be too close geographically (no new market) to A&M and UT to be taken instead of Texas Tech in the PAC. TCU has been good under Patterson but aside from that there aren't many compelling reasons to include them in the field of 64. Stadium is abysmally small. They play some games with literally 15,000 people there. Very weak fan base and no command of the DFW TV market.
Well, I was going for expansion rather than contraction. As for "tiers" the NCAA doesn't recognize tiers among the schools I have mentioned...though we know they exist. (yes, some of those MWC schools may be tantamount to MAC level schools....but unlike MAC schools, those schools are the top level in their states).
As for TCU....the fact is they have been the most competitive school in Texas the last decade...., so I see no more compelling reason than that to include them....and there are stadiums in Dallas that they can play in if need be....including the Jerry Dome.
Well, I was going for expansion rather than contraction. As for "tiers" the NCAA doesn't recognize tiers among the schools I have mentioned...though we know they exist. (yes, some of those MWC schools may be tantamount to MAC level schools....but unlike MAC schools, those schools are the top level in their states).
As for TCU....the fact is they have been the most competitive school in Texas the last decade...., so I see no more compelling reason than that to include them....and there are stadiums in Dallas that they can play in if need be....including the Jerry Dome.
They don't need to play there. No one goes to their games.
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I've never heard of being a Land Grant university as one of the determining factors for adding a school to the B1G. Not that it is incorrect, I've just never heard that. Competitiveness, TV Market, location, culture, academics, etc... Yeah. But not land grant.
That got me interested so I did some quick googling (mainly wondering why Michigan and the other three weren't). It looks like these were based off of legislation from 1862. Those four universities were founded earlier than that. Michigan was all of the way back in 1817. I imagine this is why Michigan, Indiana, etc aren't Land Grant Universities.
I've never heard of being a Land Grant university as one of the determining factors for adding a school to the B1G. Not that it is incorrect, I've just never heard that. Competitiveness, TV Market, location, culture, academics, etc... Yeah. But not land grant.
That got me interested so I did some quick googling (mainly wondering why Michigan and the other three weren't). It looks like these were based off of legislation from 1862. Those four universities were founded earlier than that. Michigan was all of the way back in 1817. I imagine this is why Michigan, Indiana, etc aren't Land Grant Universities.
I don't know if "Land grant" status is...or would be a major criteria now.....but it may be a minor one. But in the past I am pretty sure it was a big issue. Perhaps Mich/Iowa/Indiana were private at one time before becoming public.....here is what I found:
Indiana was founded as a state seminary in 1820. Name changed from Indiana State Seminary to Indiana college in 1828. 1838 became Indiana University.
Iowa was founded as Iowa University in 1847....but before the Land Grant statute.
Michigan was founded in 1817 as the Catholepistemiad, or The University of Michigania....in Detroit. It moved to Ann Arbor in 1837.
Northwestern was founded in 1851 supposedly to serve "the Northwest Territory"....except the "Northwest Territory ceased to exist before the school was founded. All the states that made up the Northwest Territory except one: Minnesota, were admitted to the union some long before the school was founded: Ohio 1803, Indiana 1816, Illinois 1818, Michign 1837, Iowa 1846, Wisconsin 1848, Minnesota 1858. So, the name doesn't make sense. But it was founded as a private school...and remains so.
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Basically, the 4 schools that aren't land grant came to be before land grant universities were a thing
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Well, I was going for expansion rather than contraction. As for "tiers" the NCAA doesn't recognize tiers among the schools I have mentioned...though we know they exist. (yes, some of those MWC schools may be tantamount to MAC level schools....but unlike MAC schools, those schools are the top level in their states).
As for TCU....the fact is they have been the most competitive school in Texas the last decade...., so I see no more compelling reason than that to include them....and there are stadiums in Dallas that they can play in if need be....including the Jerry Dome.
They don't need to play there. No one goes to their games.
They don't need to play there. No one goes to their games.
Well, I don't know. They have been putting on the best show and winning the most games in Texas for like a decade now. In 2008 they finished #7 nationally, 2009 #6, 2010 #2, 2014 #3.
And , I see that they have expanded their stadium from like 32,000 to about 45,000 in just the last few years. They put in 164 million in renovation to it.
Here were the attendance figures for all Texas schools for 2013:
Here’s how the area teams break down. [Number of home games / Total attendance at home games / average]....and 2014 next to it:
1. Texas – 6 / 593,897 / 98,976....94,103
2. Texas A&M – 8 / 697,003 / 87,125...105,123
3. Oklahoma – 6 / 508,334 / 84,722
4. Texas Tech – 6 / 347,597 / 57,933...58,935
5. Baylor – 7 / 321,639 / 45,948...46,710
6. TCU – 6 / 261,587 / 43,598...44,719
7. UNT – 6 / 126,182 / 21,030
8. SMU – 6 / 112,347 / 18,725....21,528
9. Houston..............................28,311
It seems that 44,719 is pretty good. I wouldn't say that is nobody.
And TCU is right in the heart of Cowboys country...so naturally there is more of an affinity around there to attend Cowboys games than college football. Plus SMU is nearby.
There are no Pro teams down around the area where Texas and A&M play. That could be a bit of a factor.
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First, stop citing results in a discussion about attendance. Second, if If they're actually getting 44K then fine, that's adequate, but they're not. Name another P5 team that would do this for a CONFERENCE game, ESPECIALLY with all the success they've had:
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Its halftime, its Texas. Everybody's gone for a beer. Nothing unusual about that look.
Show me a photo in the middle of the 4th quarter where it is 10-10.
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They don't sell beer at the games. Stadium food/drinks are very unpopular down here since they're terrible and you can load up at the tailgate. I'll see if I can find the game on YouTube and take a screenshot later in the game.
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If it helps, I think this is that game
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Yeah I have a bunch of awesome 4th quarter, 7-point game, screenshots of the teams on the sideline and the front 3 rows that they're showing are all virtually empty. I don't know why Patterson shows the school so much loyalty when they're clearly not reciprocating it. He would be the best hire any school could make, yet no one's been able to.
Then again some guys just do better at the smaller schools. A big chunk of big time coaching is egos management. No one knows whether Patterson is worth a darn or not in that department.
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Yeah I have a bunch of awesome 4th quarter, 7-point game, screenshots of the teams on the sideline and the front 3 rows that they're showing are all virtually empty. I don't know why Patterson shows the school so much loyalty when they're clearly not reciprocating it. He would be the best hire any school could make, yet no one's been able to.
Then again some guys just do better at the smaller schools. A big chunk of big time coaching is egos management. No one knows whether Patterson is worth a darn or not in that department.
Yeah I have a bunch of awesome 4th quarter, 7-point game, screenshots of the teams on the sideline and the front 3 rows that they're showing are all virtually empty. I don't know why Patterson shows the school so much loyalty when they're clearly not reciprocating it. He would be the best hire any school could make, yet no one's been able to.
Then again some guys just do better at the smaller schools. A big chunk of big time coaching is egos management. No one knows whether Patterson is worth a darn or not in that department.
See: Saban, Nick.
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