Who Would You Be ?
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Baseball is exciting compared to soccer, in my opinion. And a true American sport.
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Baseball is exciting compared to soccer, in my opinion. And a true American sport.
Baseball is exciting compared to soccer, in my opinion. And a true American sport.
and how old might you be?
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Damn... all of those graphs and numbers... and it was the last post on the page, lol
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Golf is not a sport, unless you want to include pool, darts, poker or Jenga to the conversation.
I'd be Anderson Varejao so I could lay around collecting ten million dollars a year knowing full well that I'd never have to play more than 13 games a season for the rest of my shit soaked career.
I'd count my money and laugh and laugh mumbling "there's one born every second" under my unbearable Brazilian breath.
under my unbearable Brazilian breath.
smells like coffee and ass?
dude, you are hilarious!
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Between the Men's WC last year, the Women's WC this year, the 2016 Copa America tourney being held in the US, (and potentially the 2022 WC), growing popularity of the EPL, growing popularity and expansion of the MLS, bringing older overseas stars to the MLS, shifting US demographics to ethnicities that watch soccer, etc etc etc
Among 12-24 year old in the US, Messi is their 4th favorite athlete and Ronaldo is their 7th.
Or this graphic from a few years ago, showing Pro Soccer as the 2nd favorite sport among 12-24 year olds
Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, whether some want to admit it or not.
On the other hand....
On the other hand Baseball is dying a slow death. The average fan is getting older and older as kids today become less interested in the sport. I find the sport incredibly boring, and look forward to it becoming much less relevant. Watching the same Top 10s all summer, a variation of maybe three different plays in baseball, gets incredibly old...
Between the Men's WC last year, the Women's WC this year, the 2016 Copa America tourney being held in the US, (and potentially the 2022 WC), growing popularity of the EPL, growing popularity and expansion of the MLS, bringing older overseas stars to the MLS, shifting US demographics to ethnicities that watch soccer, etc etc etc
Among 12-24 year old in the US, Messi is their 4th favorite athlete and Ronaldo is their 7th.
Or this graphic from a few years ago, showing Pro Soccer as the 2nd favorite sport among 12-24 year olds
Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, whether some want to admit it or not.
On the other hand....
On the other hand Baseball is dying a slow death. The average fan is getting older and older as kids today become less interested in the sport. I find the sport incredibly boring, and look forward to it becoming much less relevant. Watching the same Top 10s all summer, a variation of maybe three different plays in baseball, gets incredibly old...
Keep trying soccer fag.
See the graph, soccer is LAST in popularity among the demographics that count.....and that would be "Americans".
But...I will give you this to ponder: Why in hell are we getting so much freaking English/European soccer. Sure, its premier over there....but if In fact I do want to watch soccer....which is rare...I want to see the MLS. (Is it "minor" in comparison? Maybe....but it is our North American league.
I am more interested in if NY, Chicago, LA, Dallas/Portland/Seattle...even Columbus and what they do than I am interested in what Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham...or who the fuck ever is doing. Half of those teams aren't even towns/cities. I don't know what they are.
Here we want city vs. city. Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland, Boston vs. NY, Chicago vs. Detroit. At least, to me, there would be more interest in those matchups.
The only thing comparable that I could tell that exists there would be like a Manchester vs. Liverpool match.
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EPL has the all stars. They are a better product. That is why. MLS is improving, but isn't at that level. Without a local team to root for, I'd want to watch the best players and the best product.
I'll have to look over the source of your graph again (where someone's favorite sport can be "Olympics"). Either way, what about all of the data I presented? Do you disagree with the notion that baseball is dying and soccer is growing?
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EPL has the all stars. They are a better product. That is why. MLS is improving, but isn't at that level. Without a local team to root for, I'd want to watch the best players and the best product.
I'll have to look over the source of your graph again (where someone's favorite sport can be "Olympics"). Either way, what about all of the data I presented? Do you disagree with the notion that baseball is dying and soccer is growing?
EPL has the all stars. They are a better product. That is why. MLS is improving, but isn't at that level. Without a local team to root for, I'd want to watch the best players and the best product.
That doesn't do it for me. The best cricket players come from Pakistan and India....that doesn't mean I would not rather watch American cricket (if such a thing existed)
Perhaps I am spoiled as we know that the world's best baseball/football/basketball/hockey players play here.
Nevertheless...I would still much rather see the North American competition.
I'll have to look over the source of your graph again (where someone's favorite sport can be "Olympics"). Either way, what about all of the data I presented? Do you disagree with the notion that baseball is dying and soccer is growing?
Yes, partially I do. I think that is just your brain at work...not the reality. While soccer is growing...it is not growing at the rate you think....and I don't think baseball is dying....at all.
I mean....10/20/50 times more people still go to see baseball than go to see soccer in the country. Maybe you just wish it were so.
Michigan just won the Big Ten baseball title. I expect more were interested in that than if they won the Big Ten soccer title.
Look I went to a college that recently won a soccer National Championship.....and which was probably the most significant team sports title this area has seen since the Browns won in 1964. That still would not get me to say that baseball is dying.
(And "The Olympics" is in fact a major spectator sport event...that is highly popular. My wife will watch "The Olympics" more than any other sporting event on TV...so don't be snide"
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I loved playing Olympics in gym. I know a kid that played travel Olympics. I wasn't bad at Olympics either....
You're confusing soccer growing and baseball dying with soccer being more popular than baseball, which I never said.
The graphs above show a sport with an aging fan base that isn't being replaced with a younger audience. That doesn't paint a good picture for MLB.
On the other hand soccer is growing in popularity, especially among the younger audience.
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I loved playing Olympics in gym. I know a kid that played travel Olympics. I wasn't bad at Olympics either....
You're confusing soccer growing and baseball dying with soccer being more popular than baseball, which I never said.
The graphs above show a sport with an aging fan base that isn't being replaced with a younger audience. That doesn't paint a good picture for MLB.
On the other hand soccer is growing in popularity, especially among the younger audience.
I loved playing Olympics in gym. I know a kid that played travel Olympics. I wasn't bad at Olympics either....
Now you are coming off as simply stupid. Is that your intent?
You're confusing soccer growing and baseball dying with soccer being more popular than baseball, which I never said.
I didn't confuse shit. I said you are just flat out wrong and you can't accept that.
The graphs above show a sport with an aging fan base that isn't being replaced with a younger audience. That doesn't paint a good picture for MLB.
And I have seen other graphs that show many young people just as interested in baseball.
On the other hand soccer is growing in popularity, especially among the younger audience.
Yet...many more of them go to baseball games than go to soccer games.
I have/ younger kids. around your age. I have ever once ever heard them ask me to take them to a soccer game. But they did want to go to an Indians game on many occassions.
Maybe if Cleveland had a team there would have been some interest. Not sure.
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Gip, with all due respect, you're the skip bayless of the Browns board.
You never back off of an opinion and must always have the last word. I'm not saying that it's always a bad thing unless of course you're objectively wrong.
You said 10/20/50 times more people go to baseball games than soccer and without getting into what a vague estimate that is, it isn't at all the point. Soccer is more popular with the younger generation than baseball which has nothing to do with current attendance. Baseball has historically been more popular than soccer in this country, but the tides are changing.
You go on to say that you didn't confuse shit, but citing made up attendance numbers in this context contradicts that statement.
The objective facts state that the popularity of soccer is on the rise while interest in baseball is dwindling. Baseball ratings get lower every year which is why it's a great american PAST time.
Im sure you'll have some color coded response floundering about in a sea of nearly on-topic minutia and gripes about syntax or some other irrelevant horse shit, but it's ok, I'll let you have the last word, Gip Bayless.
Edit: just for the record I would much rather watch baseball than soccer, but that is neither here nor there.
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Gip, with all due respect, you're the skip bayless of the Browns board.
You never back off of an opinion and must always have the last word. I'm not saying that it's always a bad thing unless of course you're objectively wrong.
You said 10/20/50 times more people go to baseball games than soccer and without getting into what a vague estimate that is, it isn't at all the point. Soccer is more popular with the younger generation than baseball which has nothing to do with current attendance. Baseball has historically been more popular than soccer in this country, but the tides are changing.
You go on to say that you didn't confuse shit, but citing made up attendance numbers in this context contradicts that statement.
The objective facts state that the popularity of soccer is on the rise while interest in baseball is dwindling. Baseball ratings get lower every year which is why it's a great american PAST time.
Im sure you'll have some color coded response floundering about in a sea of nearly on-topic minutia and gripes about syntax or some other irrelevant horse shit, but it's ok, I'll let you have the last word, Gip Bayless.
Edit: just for the record I would much rather watch baseball than soccer, but that is neither here nor there.
Gip, with all due respect, you're the skip bayless of the Browns board.
You never back off of an opinion and must always have the last word. I'm not saying that it's always a bad thing unless of course you're objectively wrong.
A very rare occurrence
You said 10/20/50 times more people go to baseball games than soccer and without getting into what a vague estimate that is, it isn't at all the point. Soccer is more popular with the younger generation than baseball which has nothing to do with current attendance. Baseball has historically been more popular than soccer in this country, but the tides are changing.
My numbers were just guesstimates.
You go on to say that you didn't confuse shit, but citing made up attendance numbers in this context contradicts that statement.
I said that baseball attendance figures were NOT waning....(but I didn't deny that soccer attendance may be increasing...I am not actually certain).
So, what are YOU confused by? Nothing I said certainly.
The objective facts state that the popularity of soccer is on the rise while interest in baseball is dwindling. Baseball ratings get lower every year which is why it's a great american PAST time.
That is NOT fucking objective at all......it is purely subjective on your part. There is little dwindling of interest in baseball:
Any "dwindling" can be attributable to economics primarily. The small drop coincides with the nation's recession(If you looked at my income figures my "dwindling" would be worse than this")
The same sort of trend has occurred with the MLS:
istoric average attendances[edit] Season CHI CHV COL CLB DAL DCU HOU LA MIA MON NE NYRB PHI POR RSL SJ SEA KC TB TOR VAN 1996 10,213 18,950 16,011 15,262 28,916 19,205 23,898 17,232 12,878 11,679 1997 11,835 15,043 9,678 16,698 20,626 21,423 16,899 13,597 9,058 11,333 1998 17,886 14,812 12,274 10,947 16,007 21,784 10,284 19,187 16,519 13,653 8,072 10,312 1999 16,016 14,029 17,696 12,211 17,419 17,632 8,689 16,795 14,706 14,959 8,183 13,106 2000 13,387 12,580 15,451 13,102 18,580 20,400 7,460 15,463 17,621 12,460 9,112 9,452 2001 16,388 16,481 17,511 12,574 21,518 17,387 11,177 15,654 20,806 9,635 9,112 10,479 2002 12,922 20,690 17,429 13,122 16,519 19,047 16,927 18,155 11,150 12,255 2003 14,005 16,772 16,250 7,906 15,565 21,983 14,641 15,822 10,466 15,573 2004 17,153 14,195 16,872 9,008 17,232 23,809 12,226 17,195 13,001 14,816 2005 17,238 17,080 16,638 12,916 11,189 16,664 24,204 12,525 15,077 18,037 13,037 9,691 2006 14,111 19,840 12,056 13,294 14,982 18,251 18,935 20,814 11,786 14,570 16,366 11,083 2007 16,490 14,305 14,749 15,230 15,154 20,967 15,883 24,252 16,787 16,530 15,960 11,586 20,130 2008 17,034 15,114 13,659 14,662 13,024 19,835 16,939 26,009 17,580 15,928 16,179 13,856 10,686 20,120 2009 15,487 15,725 13,018 14,175 12,440 15,585 17,624 20,827 12,427 12,744 17,831 10,329 31,203 10,053 20,344 2010 15,814 14,576 14,329 14,642 10,815 14,532 17,310 21,437 12,987 18,441 19,254 17,095 9,659 36,173 10,287 20,453 2011 14,274 14,830 14,838 12,185 12,861 15,181 17,694 23,335 13,222 19,691 18,259 18,827 17,594 11,858 38,496 17,810 20,267 20,412 2012 16,409 13,056 15,175 14,397 14,199 13,846 21,015 23,136 22,772 14,001 18,281 18,053 20,438 19,087 13,293 43,144 19,404 18,155 19,475 2013 15,228 8,366 15,440 16,080 15,373 13,646 19,923 22,152 20,602 14,844 19,461 17,867 20,674 19,218 12,765 44,038 19,708 18,131 20,038 2014 16,076 7,063 15,082 16,881 16,816 17,030 20,117 21,258 17,421 16,681 19,421 17,631 20,806 20,351 14,947 43,734 20,003 22,086 20,408 Total Average 15,642 13,995 14,652 15,270 12,706 16,860 18,382 22,053 9,403 20,65 15,492 17,461 18,213 20,186 17,772 12,669 39,465 12,598 11,060 19,961 20,083Im sure you'll have some color coded response floundering about in a sea of nearly on-topic minutia and gripes about syntax or some other irrelevant horse shit, but it's ok, I'll let you have the last word, Gip Bayless.
Yea...I have come up with some color coded response. It is called "facts"....not subjective speculation.
Edit: just for the record I would much rather watch baseball than soccer, but that is neither here nor there.
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Soccer is popular with kids 5-12.
Soccer is popular with kids 5-12.
And with Moms who own mini vans.....
It's darn near replaced little league, thats for sure.
Personally, I always loved playing baseball, but think it is boring a hell to watch......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Soccer is popular with kids 5-12.
Soccer is popular with kids 5-12.
Because suburban mothers don't want their little kids playing with Negroes at the city park.
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Soccer is popular with kids 5-12.
Soccer is popular with kids 5-12.
12-24 as well... As we can see in the data I posted earlier.
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Soccer is popular with kids 5-12.
Because suburban mothers don't want their little kids playing with Negroes at the city park.
WSS
Because suburban mothers don't want their little kids playing with Negroes at the city park.
WSS
Even as a joke this really doesn't make sense. Based on demos in the suburbs, where these parks/fields exist, and who is playing what sport.
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Soccer is popular with kids 5-12.
And with Moms who own mini vans.....
It's darn near replaced little league, thats for sure.
Personally, I always loved playing baseball, but think it is boring a hell to watch......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
And with Moms who own mini vans.....
It's darn near replaced little league, thats for sure.
Personally, I always loved playing baseball, but think it is boring a hell to watch......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Are the Moms with the Mini Vans with Children from 5-12 also thinking, Less likely of injuries in soccer than Baseballs thrown by kids below age of 12?? Some Parents choose to wussify kids these days and possible flow chart has got to be out there..
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Because suburban mothers don't want their little kids playing with Negroes at the city park.
WSS
Even as a joke this really doesn't make sense. Based on demos in the suburbs, where these parks/fields exist, and who is playing what sport.
Even as a joke this really doesn't make sense. Based on demos in the suburbs, where these parks/fields exist, and who is playing what sport.
Well it isn't a joke and its not mean spirited. suburban moms don't want their kids competing and playing against tougher inner city school teams. soccer seems safer to them. football? It's a little rough.
WSS
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Even as a joke this really doesn't make sense. Based on demos in the suburbs, where these parks/fields exist, and who is playing what sport.
Well it isn't a joke and its not mean spirited. suburban moms don't want their kids competing and playing against tougher inner city school teams. soccer seems safer to them. football? It's a little rough.
WSS
Well it isn't a joke and its not mean spirited. suburban moms don't want their kids competing and playing against tougher inner city school teams. soccer seems safer to them. football? It's a little rough.
WSS
Well, that isn't what you said. You said suburban moms don't want their kids competing against black kids in the city park, as a response to a post saying soccer is popular for kids 5-`12.
- Football was never mentioned originally. Of course football is more physical, no matter is who you're playing. I was only ever comparing soccer and baseball, which is why your comment made no sense to me. It seems like your whole comparison was meant to be football vs soccer, which is fine, but that wasn't how you stated it. You basically just said mom''s have their kids play soccer because they dont want them playing with black kids in a city park. Which is incorrect on multiple levels...
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And with Moms who own mini vans.....
It's darn near replaced little league, thats for sure.
Personally, I always loved playing baseball, but think it is boring a hell to watch......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Are the Moms with the Mini Vans with Children from 5-12 also thinking, Less likely of injuries in soccer than Baseballs thrown by kids below age of 12?? Some Parents choose to wussify kids these days and possible flow chart has got to be out there..
Are the Moms with the Mini Vans with Children from 5-12 also thinking, Less likely of injuries in soccer than Baseballs thrown by kids below age of 12?? Some Parents choose to wussify kids these days and possible flow chart has got to be out there..
Football is a collision sport
Soccer is a contact sport
Baseball is a "maybe there is some light contact, and anything big is generally an accident, like two outfielders running into each other, or a wild pitch"
I am not sure how you could list baseball as more physical than soccer...
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