Bubble players....who stays or goes....
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Of the Groups, Billy Winn has got the tuffest competition. If not for ST he maybe Practice Squad?? There's going to be some damn close calls on this roster and I'll love it and bitch all about it at the same time. Were getting Deeper in some area's and not so much in a few others..
Doesn't qualify for PS
Doesn't qualify for PS
Plus.....even if he did, he'd last about 2 seconds on the waiver wire....we definitely wont be sneaking any great talent onto the practice squad...
Good post Flugel.....considering we get 46 players each week, the list gets short....FAST...I moved a coupla guys around and, next to the positions, I put the # we carried on our 46 man game roster last year.....using those #'s, you can really see how stiff the competition is gonna be....
Dline - (7 active)
Shelton
P. Taylor
Starks
I. Kitchen
J. Hughes
D. Bryant
B. Winn
X. Cooper
A. Bryant
D. Wynn
C. Tupou
J. Meder
OLB - (4 active)
Kruger
Mingo
Orchard
Solomon
Reilly
ILB - (3 active)
Robertson
Dansby
Kirksey
Pullard
Carder
Rodman
Eubanks
Cornerback - (5 active)
J. Haden
J. Gilbert
T. Williams
K. Williams
P. Desir
Ekpre-Olomu
Nelson
Gaines
Saunders
Stephens
James
Safety - (4 active)
Gipson
Poyer
Whitner
Bademosi
Campbell
Feichter
Sonie
Pellerin
Oline - (7 active)
Thomas
Bitonio
Mack
Greco
Schwartz
Bowie
Erving
Seymour
Olsen
Loos
Miller
Painter (the name implies a different profession but...)
Barton
WR- (5 active)
Hawkins
Gabriel
Benjamin
Hartline
Bowe
Mayle
Moore
Jennings
Browning
Cone
Smith
TE/FB - (3 active)
Barnidge
Dray
Telfer
Johnson
Housler
Bibbs
Haplea
RB - (3 active)
Crowell
West
Winston
Johnson
Lundy
Draughn
QB - (2 active)
McCown
Manziel
Shaw
Lewis
Long Snapper
Hughlett
Punter
Lanning
Coons
So.....when you take that "active #" into account and start reviewing the list.....its very apparent how deep this team is getting to be...very very nice indeed....
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Ok Tour, Your boy Billy Wynn is laying under a Flugel Bus. Your Move? I'd pay P. Dawson's retirement and let him Play like A Brown
Ok Tour, Your boy Billy Wynn is laying under a Flugel Bus. Your Move? I'd pay P. Dawson's retirement and let him Play like A Brown
It doesn't surprise me that Tour likes Winn. When it comes to our defensive line, I'm a BIG Billy Winn fan too. When healthy, he makes a lot of big plays and packs an exciting energy. He also sucks it up and plays through injury for us.
However, none of that changes my disappointment in him when he never made an effort to block the Rat who blocked our FG. Billy saw nobody across the line of scrimmage threatening to shoot inside of where he lined up so he just took the play off. Caught me off guard, so I watched the replay to confirm/make sure it wasn't because he had to protect his inside gap first. If Billy was injured or disappointed to be in that role - that's on the same STs Coach I was criticizing. Bill Parcells would have buried one if his cleats up Winn's ass especially if the margin of defeat was that 3 points. He's had to yell at plenty of talented players over the years, which is why he was able to tap their upsides so well.
Great idea about Dawson. I'll pass a hat around so we can help you fund that Gumby.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Doesn't qualify for PS
Plus.....even if he did, he'd last about 2 seconds on the waiver wire....we definitely wont be sneaking any great talent onto the practice squad...
Good post Flugel.....considering we get 46 players each week, the list gets short....FAST...I moved a coupla guys around and, next to the positions, I put the # we carried on our 46 man game roster last year.....using those #'s, you can really see how stiff the competition is gonna be....
Dline - (7 active)
Shelton
P. Taylor
Starks
I. Kitchen
J. Hughes
D. Bryant
B. Winn
X. Cooper
A. Bryant
D. Wynn
C. Tupou
J. Meder
OLB - (4 active)
Kruger
Mingo
Orchard
Solomon
Reilly
ILB - (3 active)
Robertson
Dansby
Kirksey
Pullard
Carder
Rodman
Eubanks
Cornerback - (5 active)
J. Haden
J. Gilbert
T. Williams
K. Williams
P. Desir
Ekpre-Olomu
Nelson
Gaines
Saunders
Stephens
James
Safety - (4 active)
Gipson
Poyer
Whitner
Bademosi
Campbell
Feichter
Sonie
Pellerin
Oline - (7 active)
Thomas
Bitonio
Mack
Greco
Schwartz
Bowie
Erving
Seymour
Olsen
Loos
Miller
Painter (the name implies a different profession but...)
Barton
WR- (5 active)
Hawkins
Gabriel
Benjamin
Hartline
Bowe
Mayle
Moore
Jennings
Browning
Cone
Smith
TE/FB - (3 active)
Barnidge
Dray
Telfer
Johnson
Housler
Bibbs
Haplea
RB - (3 active)
Crowell
West
Winston
Johnson
Lundy
Draughn
QB - (2 active)
McCown
Manziel
Shaw
Lewis
Long Snapper
Hughlett
Punter
Lanning
Coons
So.....when you take that "active #" into account and start reviewing the list.....its very apparent how deep this team is getting to be...very very nice indeed....
Plus.....even if he did, he'd last about 2 seconds on the waiver wire....we definitely wont be sneaking any great talent onto the practice squad...
Good post Flugel.....considering we get 46 players each week, the list gets short....FAST...I moved a coupla guys around and, next to the positions, I put the # we carried on our 46 man game roster last year.....using those #'s, you can really see how stiff the competition is gonna be....
So.....when you take that "active #" into account and start reviewing the list.....its very apparent how deep this team is getting to be...very very nice indeed....
Thanks Mud! You did a great job with that. I'm glad you separated the DBs into corners and Safeties. When I get some time later, I'll try to predict who our active roster of 46 will be. Couldn't agree more about how deep this team is getting top to bottom.
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Factoring in durability trends and types of roles on special teams, this is the 46 guys I'm predicting will make our first active roster:
Dline (7)
Danny Shelton
Phil Taylor (Still worry the idea of him is way better than the reality - I'd keep Kitchen for the effort & durability)
John Hughes (Haven't seen better 2 gap skills here in ages - could also kick inside if needed)
Randy Starks
Billy Winn (Biggest challenges have been nagging injuries; but he's played through some reasonably well)
Xavier Cooper
Desmond Bryant (Cooper, Starks, Hughes & Winn all play the same position - stay tuned...)
OLB (4)
Paul Kruger
Barkevious Mingo
Nate Orchard
Scott Solomon (more stout against the run than Armonty Bryant plus the injury thing)
ILB (3)
Craig Robertson
Karlos Dansby
Chris Kirksey
Cornerback (5)
Joe Haden
Justin Gilbert
Tramon Williams
K'Wuan Williams
Pierre Desir
*** Ekpre-Olomu's injury should get him stashed/protected
Safety (3)
Tashaun Gipson
Donte Whitner
Ibraheim Campbell
Oline (7)
Joe Thomas
Joel Bitonio
Alex Mack
John Greco (Went from looking like Fred Flintstone to losing about 21-25 pounds last off season for his best work)
Mitch Schwartz (If the 2015 thesis is to get to 3rd and short running the ball - he's prolly still starting)
Michael Bowie
Cam Erving (Can he bend and get up under people in the running game before we can appreciate his feet in pass protection?)
TE/FB/HB (3)
Gary Barnidge
Jim Dray
Rob Housler
WR (5)
Andrew Hawkins
Taylor Gabriel (new return man especially if he loses WR reps to taller targets like last year. Gordon destroyed his momentum)
Dwayne Bowe
Brian Hartline
Vince Mayle
RB (3)
Isaiah Crowell
Terrance West
Duke Johnson
Quarterback (2)
Josh McCown
Johnny Manziel
Punter (1)
Spencer Lanning
Long Snapper (1)
Hughlett
Special Teams Gunner (1)
Johnson Bademosi
Kicker (1)
TBD
Felt like a lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul. As Mud said, we're clearly getting better to the point we're cutting good talent that can play in this league. I'm quietly a HUGE fan of Connor Shaw's ability to be an excellent game manager that sported a 24:1 TD to INT ratio in the SEC. His arm should get stronger-strong enough with NFL caliber off-season/in-season strength and conditioning. Hate to lose this kid.
Also hate losing Kitchens as a backup in the rotation. Always answered the bell and was the guy on the apex much of the time Robertson effectively replaced Dansby. Another part of this is Taylor's off-season was a lot of rehabbing an injury. That prolly means the sequel of showing up overweight and without any endurance whatsoever stays in tact. More excuses and explanations; but he's a 1st round investment. I wish he had Kitchen's innerchest. If someone gets hurt in camp or Desmond Bryant isn't looking good, it can re-open the door for Kitchen.
Travis Benjamin might have lost his art as a return man; but he clearly improved quite a bit as a WR. Our return teams were so poorly coached it didn't matter if there was a fair catch or not, we were getting flagged for holding/clipping way too frequently for the return guy to matter. As we found out with Charles Johnson, it's not a good idea to roll the dice on putting Vince Mayle on the practice squad. I can already see a role carved out for him in our red zone offense.
Whether this is popular or not, I had a hard time letting go of Jordan Poyer. He has experience, flexibility and training invested. 2 different staffs deemed him a keeper material.
1 or 2 of the rookie TEs should find a place on our practice squad if they can't immediately replace Housler on the active roster. I can see the same outcome for an ILBer like Pullard.
Outside of QB, we're not counting on nearly as many stop gaps. We're also drafting young guys in positions where we have either aging vets or guys in a final year of a contract. Last but not least, I'll miss Josh Gordon about as much as my last case of food poison. Very refreshing to have a front office with a plan and a philosophy...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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Ok Tour, Your boy Billy Wynn is laying under a Flugel Bus. Your Move? I'd pay P. Dawson's retirement and let him Play like A Brown
It doesn't surprise me that Tour likes Winn. When it comes to our defensive line, I'm a BIG Billy Winn fan too. When healthy, he makes a lot of big plays and packs an exciting energy. He also sucks it up and plays through injury for us.
However, none of that changes my disappointment in him when he never made an effort to block the Rat who blocked our FG. Billy saw nobody across the line of scrimmage threatening to shoot inside of where he lined up so he just took the play off. Caught me off guard, so I watched the replay to confirm/make sure it wasn't because he had to protect his inside gap first. If Billy was injured or disappointed to be in that role - that's on the same STs Coach I was criticizing. Bill Parcells would have buried one if his cleats up Winn's ass especially if the margin of defeat was that 3 points. He's had to yell at plenty of talented players over the years, which is why he was able to tap their upsides so well.
Great idea about Dawson. I'll pass a hat around so we can help you fund that Gumby.
It doesn't surprise me that Tour likes Winn. When it comes to our defensive line, I'm a BIG Billy Winn fan too. When healthy, he makes a lot of big plays and packs an exciting energy. He also sucks it up and plays through injury for us.
However, none of that changes my disappointment in him when he never made an effort to block the Rat who blocked our FG. Billy saw nobody across the line of scrimmage threatening to shoot inside of where he lined up so he just took the play off. Caught me off guard, so I watched the replay to confirm/make sure it wasn't because he had to protect his inside gap first. If Billy was injured or disappointed to be in that role - that's on the same STs Coach I was criticizing. Bill Parcells would have buried one if his cleats up Winn's ass especially if the margin of defeat was that 3 points. He's had to yell at plenty of talented players over the years, which is why he was able to tap their upsides so well.
Love Billy's motor... but it's a lot more effective hauling around ten fewer Lbs or so.
lol... the FG is another in a long line of topics we would have gone "at it" over. Two Ravens threatened the inside gap between Billy and Bito, but Billy failed to reroute the edge rusher... who got a fantastic jump.
That said Billy manned up and took responsibility...
The Ravens overloaded to his side, looking for a block, and Winn said he was too tight to the line and too late coming out of his stance. While his first responsibility is blocking the player in front of him, Winn said he also must force the outside rusher wide, not allowing him a direct path to the kicker. Winn grazed Jackson, but didn't disrupt his route.
'(You want to) try to get just on the inside of that pad, just to send him upfield just a little bit, just so it gives the kicker more time, even a split-second, just to get the kick off,' Winn said.
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Factoring in durability trends and types of roles on special teams, this is the 46 guys I'm predicting will make our first active roster:
Dline (7)
Danny Shelton
Phil Taylor (Still worry the idea of him is way better than the reality - I'd keep Kitchen for the effort & durability)
John Hughes (Haven't seen better 2 gap skills here in ages - could also kick inside if needed)
Randy Starks
Billy Winn (Biggest challenges have been nagging injuries; but he's played through some reasonably well)
Xavier Cooper
Desmond Bryant (Cooper, Starks, Hughes & Winn all play the same position - stay tuned...)
OLB (4)
Paul Kruger
Barkevious Mingo
Nate Orchard
Scott Solomon (more stout against the run than Armonty Bryant plus the injury thing)
ILB (3)
Craig Robertson
Karlos Dansby
Chris Kirksey
Cornerback (5)
Joe Haden
Justin Gilbert
Tramon Williams
K'Wuan Williams
Pierre Desir
*** Ekpre-Olomu's injury should get him stashed/protected
Safety (3)
Tashaun Gipson
Donte Whitner
Ibraheim Campbell
Oline (7)
Joe Thomas
Joel Bitonio
Alex Mack
John Greco (Went from looking like Fred Flintstone to losing about 21-25 pounds last off season for his best work)
Mitch Schwartz (If the 2015 thesis is to get to 3rd and short running the ball - he's prolly still starting)
Michael Bowie
Cam Erving (Can he bend and get up under people in the running game before we can appreciate his feet in pass protection?)
TE/FB/HB (3)
Gary Barnidge
Jim Dray
Rob Housler
WR (5)
Andrew Hawkins
Taylor Gabriel (new return man especially if he loses WR reps to taller targets like last year. Gordon destroyed his momentum)
Dwayne Bowe
Brian Hartline
Vince Mayle
RB (3)
Isaiah Crowell
Terrance West
Duke Johnson
Quarterback (2)
Josh McCown
Johnny Manziel
Punter (1)
Spencer Lanning
Long Snapper (1)
Hughlett
Special Teams Gunner (1)
Johnson Bademosi
Kicker (1)
TBD
Felt like a lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul. As Mud said, we're clearly getting better to the point we're cutting good talent that can play in this league. I'm quietly a HUGE fan of Connor Shaw's ability to be an excellent game manager that sported a 24:1 TD to INT ratio in the SEC. His arm should get stronger-strong enough with NFL caliber off-season/in-season strength and conditioning. Hate to lose this kid.
Also hate losing Kitchens as a backup in the rotation. Always answered the bell and was the guy on the apex much of the time Robertson effectively replaced Dansby. Another part of this is Taylor's off-season was a lot of rehabbing an injury. That prolly means the sequel of showing up overweight and without any endurance whatsoever stays in tact. More excuses and explanations; but he's a 1st round investment. I wish he had Kitchen's innerchest. If someone gets hurt in camp or Desmond Bryant isn't looking good, it can re-open the door for Kitchen.
Travis Benjamin might have lost his art as a return man; but he clearly improved quite a bit as a WR. Our return teams were so poorly coached it didn't matter if there was a fair catch or not, we were getting flagged for holding/clipping way too frequently for the return guy to matter. As we found out with Charles Johnson, it's not a good idea to roll the dice on putting Vince Mayle on the practice squad. I can already see a role carved out for him in our red zone offense.
Whether this is popular or not, I had a hard time letting go of Jordan Poyer. He has experience, flexibility and training invested. 2 different staffs deemed him a keeper material.
1 or 2 of the rookie TEs should find a place on our practice squad if they can't immediately replace Housler on the active roster. I can see the same outcome for an ILBer like Pullard.
Outside of QB, we're not counting on nearly as many stop gaps. We're also drafting young guys in positions where we have either aging vets or guys in a final year of a contract. Last but not least, I'll miss Josh Gordon about as much as my last case of food poison. Very refreshing to have a front office with a plan and a philosophy...
Factoring in durability trends and types of roles on special teams, this is the 46 guys I'm predicting will make our first active roster:
Looks like we're on the same page with most of these guys......of course, there are 8 more names that can be added to achieve the 54 man roster....whew!......
No matter what, there's gonna be a few good names going to other teams.....the good part is we have the depth to let these guys go.....the bad part is they will end up making some big plays elsewhere and then we'll have to hear about it everytime......
HEY!!!.....why did we let "xyz guy" go???.....he made a great tackle....Farmer sucks......hahaha.....
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Housler will be our #1.
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It doesn't surprise me that Tour likes Winn. When it comes to our defensive line, I'm a BIG Billy Winn fan too. When healthy, he makes a lot of big plays and packs an exciting energy. He also sucks it up and plays through injury for us.
However, none of that changes my disappointment in him when he never made an effort to block the Rat who blocked our FG. Billy saw nobody across the line of scrimmage threatening to shoot inside of where he lined up so he just took the play off. Caught me off guard, so I watched the replay to confirm/make sure it wasn't because he had to protect his inside gap first. If Billy was injured or disappointed to be in that role - that's on the same STs Coach I was criticizing. Bill Parcells would have buried one if his cleats up Winn's ass especially if the margin of defeat was that 3 points. He's had to yell at plenty of talented players over the years, which is why he was able to tap their upsides so well.
Love Billy's motor... but it's a lot more effective hauling around ten fewer Lbs or so.
lol... the FG is another in a long line of topics we would have gone "at it" over. Two Ravens threatened the inside gap between Billy and Bito, but Billy failed to reroute the edge rusher... who got a fantastic jump.
That said Billy manned up and took responsibility...
The Ravens overloaded to his side, looking for a block, and Winn said he was too tight to the line and too late coming out of his stance. While his first responsibility is blocking the player in front of him, Winn said he also must force the outside rusher wide, not allowing him a direct path to the kicker. Winn grazed Jackson, but didn't disrupt his route.
'(You want to) try to get just on the inside of that pad, just to send him upfield just a little bit, just so it gives the kicker more time, even a split-second, just to get the kick off,' Winn said.
Love Billy's motor... but it's a lot more effective hauling around ten fewer Lbs or so.
lol... the FG is another in a long line of topics we would have gone "at it" over. Two Ravens threatened the inside gap between Billy and Bito, but Billy failed to reroute the edge rusher... who got a fantastic jump.
That said Billy manned up and took responsibility...
I'm glad Billy agreed with me that he was late getting out of his 2 point stance especially since he was the one that knew the snap count.
Billy wasn't up on the line of scrimmage. He was on the edge of formation slightly behind and over from the last guy up on the line of scrimmage (with air tight splits between the two 300 pound fellers). Why would Billy have any need whatsoever to man up and take responsibility for not rerouting the edge rusher if Baltimore overloaded/charged that tiny split between him and Bitonio? Doesn't make any sense considering how many teammates and coaches were about to have access to that game film. They were either going to see him doing his job or refraining from it.
Here's what Billy did understand. Even if he gave a lame effort to block the Rat - it would have been enough to change the angle of the untouched guy blocking the kick to making it impossible to block the kick. Let's not pretend getting out of a 2 point stance was asking way too much or that the ideal spot to get people through was between the wide bodies of Bitonio and Winn in kick protection splits. Billy's getting at least 6 figures so if one of his part time duties is as easy getting out of a 2 point stance to obstruct an angle - I don't have any problem holding him accountable to the standard I expect from a professional. I'd rather the appreciate little thing than hear excuses or an apology on a day the margin of defeat was a very doable FG.
I know he's your boy but we both know Billy was capable of so much better on that play.
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Factoring in durability trends and types of roles on special teams, this is the 46 guys I'm predicting will make our first active roster:
Looks like we're on the same page with most of these guys......of course, there are 8 more names that can be added to achieve the 54 man roster....whew!......
No matter what, there's gonna be a few good names going to other teams.....the good part is we have the depth to let these guys go.....the bad part is they will end up making some big plays elsewhere and then we'll have to hear about it everytime......
HEY!!!.....why did we let "xyz guy" go???.....he made a great tackle....Farmer sucks......hahaha.....
Looks like we're on the same page with most of these guys......of course, there are 8 more names that can be added to achieve the 54 man roster....whew!......
No matter what, there's gonna be a few good names going to other teams.....the good part is we have the depth to let these guys go.....the bad part is they will end up making some big plays elsewhere and then we'll have to hear about it everytime......
HEY!!!.....why did we let "xyz guy" go???.....he made a great tackle....Farmer sucks......hahaha.....
I'll say - thank God it's a 54 man roster!
We're always going to hear from the Doom and Gloomologists about how much better their hindsight 20/20 is than Farmer's foresight. Looking at how much he's improved the overall in his first 2 offseasons says all it has to on his behalf.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
This thread is what I love about this board. Lots of great info. As good as I believe Farmer and Pettine are at getting talent on this team I believe they will be just as good on their decisions about who stay with the club. I believe a big factor will be those who fit in with the philosophy of playing like a Brown.
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Well done Flugel....well done!
Well done Flugel....well done!
Appreciate the kind words! Stick around - there's a lot of diehards that are fun to read in here.
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Factoring in durability trends and types of roles on special teams, this is the 46 guys I'm predicting will make our first active roster:
Dline (7)
Danny Shelton
Phil Taylor (Still worry the idea of him is way better than the reality - I'd keep Kitchen for the effort & durability)
John Hughes (Haven't seen better 2 gap skills here in ages - could also kick inside if needed)
Randy Starks
Billy Winn (Biggest challenges have been nagging injuries; but he's played through some reasonably well)
Xavier Cooper
Desmond Bryant (Cooper, Starks, Hughes & Winn all play the same position - stay tuned...)
OLB (4)
Paul Kruger
Barkevious Mingo
Nate Orchard
Scott Solomon (more stout against the run than Armonty Bryant plus the injury thing)
ILB (3)
Craig Robertson
Karlos Dansby
Chris Kirksey
Cornerback (5)
Joe Haden
Justin Gilbert
Tramon Williams
K'Wuan Williams
Pierre Desir
*** Ekpre-Olomu's injury should get him stashed/protected
Safety (3)
Tashaun Gipson
Donte Whitner
Ibraheim Campbell
Oline (7)
Joe Thomas
Joel Bitonio
Alex Mack
John Greco (Went from looking like Fred Flintstone to losing about 21-25 pounds last off season for his best work)
Mitch Schwartz (If the 2015 thesis is to get to 3rd and short running the ball - he's prolly still starting)
Michael Bowie
Cam Erving (Can he bend and get up under people in the running game before we can appreciate his feet in pass protection?)
TE/FB/HB (3)
Gary Barnidge
Jim Dray
Rob Housler
WR (5)
Andrew Hawkins
Taylor Gabriel (new return man especially if he loses WR reps to taller targets like last year. Gordon destroyed his momentum)
Dwayne Bowe
Brian Hartline
Vince Mayle
RB (3)
Isaiah Crowell
Terrance West
Duke Johnson
Quarterback (2)
Josh McCown
Johnny Manziel
Punter (1)
Spencer Lanning
Long Snapper (1)
Hughlett
Special Teams Gunner (1)
Johnson Bademosi
Kicker (1)
TBD
Felt like a lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul. As Mud said, we're clearly getting better to the point we're cutting good talent that can play in this league. I'm quietly a HUGE fan of Connor Shaw's ability to be an excellent game manager that sported a 24:1 TD to INT ratio in the SEC. His arm should get stronger-strong enough with NFL caliber off-season/in-season strength and conditioning. Hate to lose this kid.
Also hate losing Kitchens as a backup in the rotation. Always answered the bell and was the guy on the apex much of the time Robertson effectively replaced Dansby. Another part of this is Taylor's off-season was a lot of rehabbing an injury. That prolly means the sequel of showing up overweight and without any endurance whatsoever stays in tact. More excuses and explanations; but he's a 1st round investment. I wish he had Kitchen's innerchest. If someone gets hurt in camp or Desmond Bryant isn't looking good, it can re-open the door for Kitchen.
Travis Benjamin might have lost his art as a return man; but he clearly improved quite a bit as a WR. Our return teams were so poorly coached it didn't matter if there was a fair catch or not, we were getting flagged for holding/clipping way too frequently for the return guy to matter. As we found out with Charles Johnson, it's not a good idea to roll the dice on putting Vince Mayle on the practice squad. I can already see a role carved out for him in our red zone offense.
Whether this is popular or not, I had a hard time letting go of Jordan Poyer. He has experience, flexibility and training invested. 2 different staffs deemed him a keeper material.
1 or 2 of the rookie TEs should find a place on our practice squad if they can't immediately replace Housler on the active roster. I can see the same outcome for an ILBer like Pullard.
Outside of QB, we're not counting on nearly as many stop gaps. We're also drafting young guys in positions where we have either aging vets or guys in a final year of a contract. Last but not least, I'll miss Josh Gordon about as much as my last case of food poison. Very refreshing to have a front office with a plan and a philosophy...
Factoring in durability trends and types of roles on special teams, this is the 46 guys I'm predicting will make our first active roster:
Dline (7)
Danny Shelton
Phil Taylor (Still worry the idea of him is way better than the reality - I'd keep Kitchen for the effort & durability)
John Hughes (Haven't seen better 2 gap skills here in ages - could also kick inside if needed)
Randy Starks
Billy Winn (Biggest challenges have been nagging injuries; but he's played through some reasonably well)
Xavier Cooper
Desmond Bryant (Cooper, Starks, Hughes & Winn all play the same position - stay tuned...)
Also hate losing Kitchens as a backup in the rotation. Always answered the bell and was the guy on the apex much of the time Robertson effectively replaced Dansby. Another part of this is Taylor's off-season was a lot of rehabbing an injury. That prolly means the sequel of showing up overweight and without any endurance whatsoever stays in tact. More excuses and explanations; but he's a 1st round investment. I wish he had Kitchen's innerchest. If someone gets hurt in camp or Desmond Bryant isn't looking good, it can re-open the door for Kitchen.
With all the D-line depth, I see a few options...one is that we can add at least 1 toward our 54....plus, there's always the possibility of a deal being made....though I think it would have to be for a front line guy.....My pick is Desmond Bryant....he's healthy and played the whole year and is our highest paid defensive player(other than Haden).....so, he'd be worth something AND would free up some future $$ ....
as much as it sucks, economics are a huge part of things and, as much as I like Desmond, he is WAY overpaid....(imho)
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This thread is what I love about this board. Lots of great info. As good as I believe Farmer and Pettine are at getting talent on this team I believe they will be just as good on their decisions about who stay with the club. I believe a big factor will be those who fit in with the philosophy of playing like a Brown.
This thread is what I love about this board. Lots of great info. As good as I believe Farmer and Pettine are at getting talent on this team I believe they will be just as good on their decisions about who stay with the club. I believe a big factor will be those who fit in with the philosophy of playing like a Brown.
Sometimes I make the mistake of also reading the OBR. They're still stuck on pause with who ordered the code red to draft Johnny Manziel; and it's impossible for Josh McCown to look anything remotely similar to the results he attained from the steady dose of 3rd and short situations he drastically outplayed Jay Cutler with. They debunk that with "oh yeah, what did he accomplish with the outstanding targets Tampa gave him?" Trying to explain a QB handcuffed by a 31st ranked running game is sentenced to a consistency of 3rd and long situations behind very suspect protections is like asking a drama queen to surrender her center stage. Waste of timesies...
The reality is a former State Champion QB like Pettine (before he became a DI Safety skilled at intercepting passers) understands the value enough to know we offer McCown more than Chicago did on the ground. That said, it's a very good thing that Pettine/Farmer knows McCown had a 109 passer rating with with a TD to INT ratio of 13:1 with only 2 fumbles when Chicago's line was almost as good as our's. Nobody's pretending he's been Joe Montana all along or that he needs to be him moving forward.
All that said, the last time we won 11 regular season games plus a playoff game - we looked to much maligned 6 year veteran QB coming to us from Tampa Bay. A very effective running game landed Leroy Hoard in the Pro Bowl. That's what running the ball down the esophagus of front 7s like Dallas, Philly and others can do for a RB. It also didn't suck that we had 2 John Deere Tractors named Orlando Brown and Tony (T-Bone) Jones mowing people over at OT while we had a first round talent at Center. All that almost made us forget entirely that all we needed from Testaverde was 16 TD passes to 18 INTs. Finally having a good running game made Testaverde go from forgettable to a playoff QB. A little further down the road when he could hand off to Curtis Martin in NY, he led a team to an AFC Championship Game out in Denver.
Since 1999, I've constantly bellyached that I wished this was an easier place to play QB. While the supply of football messiah QBs hasn't quite met our demand, this is the best plan/setup we've given a QB this side of 1999 (except for maybe 2007). I'm happier than a Steelhead rolling in Limburger cheese.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Factoring in durability trends and types of roles on special teams, this is the 46 guys I'm predicting will make our first active roster:
Dline (7)
Danny Shelton
Phil Taylor (Still worry the idea of him is way better than the reality - I'd keep Kitchen for the effort & durability)
John Hughes (Haven't seen better 2 gap skills here in ages - could also kick inside if needed)
Randy Starks
Billy Winn (Biggest challenges have been nagging injuries; but he's played through some reasonably well)
Xavier Cooper
Desmond Bryant (Cooper, Starks, Hughes & Winn all play the same position - stay tuned...)
Also hate losing Kitchens as a backup in the rotation. Always answered the bell and was the guy on the apex much of the time Robertson effectively replaced Dansby. Another part of this is Taylor's off-season was a lot of rehabbing an injury. That prolly means the sequel of showing up overweight and without any endurance whatsoever stays in tact. More excuses and explanations; but he's a 1st round investment. I wish he had Kitchen's innerchest. If someone gets hurt in camp or Desmond Bryant isn't looking good, it can re-open the door for Kitchen.
With all the D-line depth, I see a few options...one is that we can add at least 1 toward our 54....plus, there's always the possibility of a deal being made....though I think it would have to be for a front line guy.....My pick is Desmond Bryant....he's healthy and played the whole year and is our highest paid defensive player(other than Haden).....so, he'd be worth something AND would free up some future $$ ....
as much as it sucks, economics are a huge part of things and, as much as I like Desmond, he is WAY overpaid....(imho)
With all the D-line depth, I see a few options...one is that we can add at least 1 toward our 54....plus, there's always the possibility of a deal being made....though I think it would have to be for a front line guy.....My pick is Desmond Bryant....he's healthy and played the whole year and is our highest paid defensive player(other than Haden).....so, he'd be worth something AND would free up some future $$ ....
as much as it sucks, economics are a huge part of things and, as much as I like Desmond, he is WAY overpaid....(imho)
That's not a bad idea about Des Bryant at all. 1 guy that comes to mind is Chicago's TE Martellus Bennett that McCown already found chemistry with. They're switching to a 3-4 so we not only have Bryant as bait but what about that Phil Taylor we never get a full season from? I still say the idea of him has always been far better than the reality. That's first round cake we can part with as a plan B option to your idea.
If I could add 8 guys to my previous list of 46, they would be:
Ishy Kitchen
Connor Shaw
Armonty Bryant
Ryan Seymour
Jordan Poyer
Travis Benjamin
Malcolm Johnson (the only 2 highlights I've seen are him lining up as a FB and catching the ball. Can he be another Marcel Reece?)
Tank Carder
I tend to favor guys we've already invested time in while some of our late round picks/undrafted rookies can begin on the practice squad. Very happy about an active roster of 54.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
With all the D-line depth, I see a few options...one is that we can add at least 1 toward our 54....plus, there's always the possibility of a deal being made....though I think it would have to be for a front line guy.....My pick is Desmond Bryant....he's healthy and played the whole year and is our highest paid defensive player(other than Haden).....so, he'd be worth something AND would free up some future $$ ....
as much as it sucks, economics are a huge part of things and, as much as I like Desmond, he is WAY overpaid....(imho)
That's not a bad idea about Des Bryant at all. 1 guy that comes to mind is Chicago's TE Martellus Bennett that McCown already found chemistry with. They're switching to a 3-4 so we not only have Bryant as bait but what about that Phil Taylor we never get a full season from? I still say the idea of him has always been far better than the reality. That's first round cake we can part with as a plan B option to your idea.
If I could add 8 guys to my previous list of 46, they would be:
Ishy Kitchen
Connor Shaw
Armonty Bryant
Ryan Seymour
Jordan Poyer
Travis Benjamin
Malcolm Johnson (the only 2 highlights I've seen are him lining up as a FB and catching the ball. Can he be another Marcel Reece?)
Tank Carder
I tend to favor guys we've already invested time in while some of our late round picks/undrafted rookies can begin on the practice squad. Very happy about an active roster of 54.
That's not a bad idea about Des Bryant at all. 1 guy that comes to mind is Chicago's TE Martellus Bennett that McCown already found chemistry with. They're switching to a 3-4 so we not only have Bryant as bait but what about that Phil Taylor we never get a full season from? I still say the idea of him has always been far better than the reality. That's first round cake we can part with as a plan B option to your idea.
If I could add 8 guys to my previous list of 46, they would be:
Ishy Kitchen
Connor Shaw
Armonty Bryant
Ryan Seymour
Jordan Poyer
Travis Benjamin
Malcolm Johnson (the only 2 highlights I've seen are him lining up as a FB and catching the ball. Can he be another Marcel Reece?)
Tank Carder
I tend to favor guys we've already invested time in while some of our late round picks/undrafted rookies can begin on the practice squad. Very happy about an active roster of 54.
TE Martellus Bennett, That was My Draft Day Trade that I thought would have made sense. A player (Any Bryant or Benji) and a late round pick of Round 6 with 2 TE picks. Now Telfair and M. Johnson. Hope they all prove me wrong,, Again.
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
With all the D-line depth, I see a few options...one is that we can add at least 1 toward our 54....plus, there's always the possibility of a deal being made....though I think it would have to be for a front line guy.....My pick is Desmond Bryant....he's healthy and played the whole year and is our highest paid defensive player(other than Haden).....so, he'd be worth something AND would free up some future $$ ....
as much as it sucks, economics are a huge part of things and, as much as I like Desmond, he is WAY overpaid....(imho)
That's not a bad idea about Des Bryant at all. 1 guy that comes to mind is Chicago's TE Martellus Bennett that McCown already found chemistry with. They're switching to a 3-4 so we not only have Bryant as bait but what about that Phil Taylor we never get a full season from? I still say the idea of him has always been far better than the reality. That's first round cake we can part with as a plan B option to your idea.
If I could add 8 guys to my previous list of 46, they would be:
Ishy Kitchen
Connor Shaw
Armonty Bryant
Ryan Seymour
Jordan Poyer
Travis Benjamin
Malcolm Johnson (the only 2 highlights I've seen are him lining up as a FB and catching the ball. Can he be another Marcel Reece?)
Tank Carder
I tend to favor guys we've already invested time in while some of our late round picks/undrafted rookies can begin on the practice squad. Very happy about an active roster of 54.
I tend to favor guys we've already invested time in while some of our late round picks/undrafted rookies can begin on the practice squad. Very happy about an active roster of 54.
all things being equal....me too.............Carder is a good example. Not so sure Pullard will beat him out, simply due to his lack of experience...
though, the GOOD part about new guys making the roster is that it typically indicates an upgrade.....so, to that end, I want as many new names as possible....
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Looks like we're on the same page with most of these guys......of course, there are 8 more names that can be added to achieve the 54 man roster....whew!......
No matter what, there's gonna be a few good names going to other teams.....the good part is we have the depth to let these guys go.....the bad part is they will end up making some big plays elsewhere and then we'll have to hear about it everytime......
HEY!!!.....why did we let "xyz guy" go???.....he made a great tackle....Farmer sucks......hahaha.....
I'll say - thank God it's a 54 man roster!
We're always going to hear from the Doom and Gloomologists about how much better their hindsight 20/20 is than Farmer's foresight. Looking at how much he's improved the overall in his first 2 offseasons says all it has to on his behalf.
I'll say - thank God it's a 54 man roster!
Since when is it a 54-man roster? It has always been 53... plus you can also have players who are suspended who don't count against the 53 (Gordon), the PUP list, IR-designated to return, or IR, also there are 10 practice squad spots (who are basically UFAs all season long and can be signed by any team at any time)... Just wondering if something changed to make it 54??
#Justsayin' -
That's not a bad idea about Des Bryant at all. 1 guy that comes to mind is Chicago's TE Martellus Bennett that McCown already found chemistry with. They're switching to a 3-4 so we not only have Bryant as bait but what about that Phil Taylor we never get a full season from? I still say the idea of him has always been far better than the reality. That's first round cake we can part with as a plan B option to your idea.
If I could add 8 guys to my previous list of 46, they would be:
Ishy Kitchen
Connor Shaw
Armonty Bryant
Ryan Seymour
Jordan Poyer
Travis Benjamin
Malcolm Johnson (the only 2 highlights I've seen are him lining up as a FB and catching the ball. Can he be another Marcel Reece?)
Tank Carder
I tend to favor guys we've already invested time in while some of our late round picks/undrafted rookies can begin on the practice squad. Very happy about an active roster of 54.
TE Martellus Bennett, That was My Draft Day Trade that I thought would have made sense. A player (Any Bryant or Benji) and a late round pick of Round 6 with 2 TE picks. Now Telfair and M. Johnson. Hope they all prove me wrong,, Again.
TE Martellus Bennett, That was My Draft Day Trade that I thought would have made sense. A player (Any Bryant or Benji) and a late round pick of Round 6 with 2 TE picks. Now Telfair and M. Johnson. Hope they all prove me wrong,, Again.
Really good idea on your part. That said, today should be just as easy to trade for him as it was on/before draft day. As hind sight 20/20 as this sounds, I liked us being scheduled for 10 picks and ending up with 12. I've had the guy in ff for 2 straight years; and I liked knowing McCown has some familiarity with him. I was hinting around that Chicago is a team we would have some good leverage with in the sense they're switching to a 3-4 with a defensive minded HC. Bryant offers them an experienced 5 technique while the idea of Phil Taylor offers a first round talent at Nose Tackle. They both have hefty contracts but their experience could have Chicago thinking plug and play.
These are Bennett's stats. In particular, the last 3 years showcase his best production so the iron is hot while we have the bait & cake:
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2014 Chicago 16 90 916 10.2 57.2 37 6 11 0 43 0
2013 Chicago 16 65 759 11.7 47.4 43 5 11 1 40 1
2012 NYG 16 55 626 11.4 39.1 33T 5 7 0 35 0
2011 Dallas 14 17 144 8.5 10.3 15 0 0 0 7 0
2010 Dallas 16 33 260 7.9 16.2 32 0 1 0 12 1
2009 Dallas 14 15 159 10.6 11.4 21 0 1 0 8 0
2008 Dallas 16 20 283 14.2 17.7 37 4 6 0 12 0
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'll say - thank God it's a 54 man roster!
Since when is it a 54-man roster? It has always been 53... plus you can also have players who are suspended who don't count against the 53 (Gordon), the PUP list, IR-designated to return, or IR, also there are 10 practice squad spots (who are basically UFAs all season long and can be signed by any team at any time)... Just wondering if something changed to make it 54??
Since when is it a 54-man roster? It has always been 53... plus you can also have players who are suspended who don't count against the 53 (Gordon), the PUP list, IR-designated to return, or IR, also there are 10 practice squad spots (who are basically UFAs all season long and can be signed by any team at any time)... Just wondering if something changed to make it 54??
Not sure, I got the news from Mud. It wouldn't really surprise me though the way the league is willing to change things. Think about all the Pittsburgh Steelers that just had to retire with "Since when does the league test for HGH?"
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