Who Would You Be ?
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It boils down to the pussification of America and that not much skill is needed to lightly jog around and kick a ball back and forth.
was running 7 min miles my last 2 years in the army. a friend who was Ft. Devens soccer team goalie needed an emergency stand-in for a player who was running late to base so they didn't forfeit a playoff berth. i played for about 10 minutes and was dying. not as easy as you think.
And parents anymore would rather stare at their phones then play catch with their kids.
agree 100%. thanks you madden playing assholes.
well I'm talking about the kids not adults. Most kids can run for a long stretch and not even phase them... Especially mine.was running 7 min miles my last 2 years in the army. a friend who was Ft. Devens soccer team goalie needed an emergency stand-in for a player who was running late to base so they didn't forfeit a playoff berth. i played for about 10 minutes and was dying. not as easy as you think.
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It boils down to the pussification of America and that not much skill is needed to lightly jog around and kick a ball back and forth.
was running 7 min miles my last 2 years in the army. a friend who was Ft. Devens soccer team goalie needed an emergency stand-in for a player who was running late to base so they didn't forfeit a playoff berth. i played for about 10 minutes and was dying. not as easy as you think.
And parents anymore would rather stare at their phones then play catch with their kids.
agree 100%. thanks you madden playing assholes.
was running 7 min miles my last 2 years in the army. a friend who was Ft. Devens soccer team goalie needed an emergency stand-in for a player who was running late to base so they didn't forfeit a playoff berth. i played for about 10 minutes and was dying. not as easy as you think.
agree 100%. thanks you madden playing assholes.
What position did you play?
Hey, hey, hey... Madden is great.
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The statistics say otherwise.Football is a collision sport
Soccer is a contact sport
Baseball is a "maybe there is some light contact, and anything big is generally an accident, like two outfielders running into each other, or a wild pitch"
I am not sure how you could list baseball as more physical than soccer...
Baseball has the highest fatality rate in kids 5-14 in all major sports including football. And also a higher injury rate. So there goes that argument.
It boils down to the pussification of America and that not much skill is needed to lightly jog around and kick a ball back and forth. More specific mechanics are needed early on for baseball vs soccer. And parents anymore would rather stare at their phones then play catch with their kids.
The statistics say otherwise.
Baseball has the highest fatality rate in kids 5-14 in all major sports including football. And also a higher injury rate. So there goes that argument.
It boils down to the pussification of America and that not much skill is needed to lightly jog around and kick a ball back and forth. More specific mechanics are needed early on for baseball vs soccer. And parents anymore would rather stare at their phones then play catch with their kids.
Highest fatality rate for youth sports seems like something based on a very small sample size. Enough kids with unknown heart conditions play and you could be leading.
Where is your data to say it has a higher injury rate? I would like to see that.
You clearly know nothing about playing soccer. "Lightly jog around and kick a ball"... haha ok. Whereas in baseball, when on offense, you're sitting down or standing at a base the majority of the time. On defense you're standing around the majority of the time. By "team sport" maybe 3 people work together on a given "play". Yep, baseball is much more "manly" and "intense". If only more kids played baseball, then there would be no "wussification"....
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Football is a collision sport
Soccer is a contact sport
Baseball is a "maybe there is some light contact, and anything big is generally an accident, like two outfielders running into each other, or a wild pitch"
I am not sure how you could list baseball as more physical than soccer...
Lets not over Die sect this (and every statement). KIDS 5-12. Ever accidently been hit By a Baseball that a young Kid usually can't control at that Age. Now try a Soccer ball, the physicality part usually comes at later years. When THEY drive Mini Vans with there own Kids or Jr. High
Some parents with YOUNG children Wussify there child's activities when it comes to sports.. Done and GO BROWNS. WOOF WOOF !! Lets not over Die sect this (and every statement). KIDS 5-12. Ever accidently been hit By a Baseball that a young Kid usually can't control at that Age. Now try a Soccer ball, the physicality part usually comes at later years. When THEY drive Mini Vans with there own Kids or Jr. High
Some parents with YOUNG children Wussify there child's activities when it comes to sports.. Done and GO BROWNS. WOOF WOOF !! I am not 100% sure what you just said... but I agree with one thing. Go Browns!
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As far as injuries go (though I am not in the "youth group"), over the past 6 months or so I have fractured my thumb and separated my shoulder playing soccer. Not exactly the worst injuries ever, but I had to go get checked out. This is just a somewhat competitive level too. Oh, and I broke/tore something in a guy's ankle. Something to put him in a boot for awhile.
I've coached my cousin's soccer team for a few years now, and she has moved her way up to travel soccer. Between that and some club games, these girls get physical. It definitely isn't just prancing around, and they're only 11.
The idea that you just job around lightly for 60 to 90 minutes is pretty damn ignorant. You make contact, you play physical. Where, again, the vast majority of any contact in baseball is an accident.
Also, great MLS game on right now between LA and NE on Fox Sports
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Check with the administrators, maybe they will add a forum for soccer, possibly combined with hairdressing and home decorating.
WSS
Check with the administrators, maybe they will add a forum for soccer, possibly combined with hairdressing and home decorating.
WSS
We'll have to put something together for the Women's World Cup in a week.
Unless you HATE AMERICA STEVE!
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As far as injuries go (though I am not in the "youth group"), over the past 6 months or so I have fractured my thumb and separated my shoulder playing soccer. Not exactly the worst injuries ever, but I had to go get checked out. This is just a somewhat competitive level too. Oh, and I broke/tore something in a guy's ankle. Something to put him in a boot for awhile.
I've coached my cousin's soccer team for a few years now, and she has moved her way up to travel soccer. Between that and some club games, these girls get physical. It definitely isn't just prancing around, and they're only 11.
The idea that you just job around lightly for 60 to 90 minutes is pretty damn ignorant. You make contact, you play physical. Where, again, the vast majority of any contact in baseball is an accident.
Also, great MLS game on right now between LA and NE on Fox Sports
As far as injuries go (though I am not in the "youth group"), over the past 6 months or so I have fractured my thumb and separated my shoulder playing soccer. Not exactly the worst injuries ever, but I had to go get checked out. This is just a somewhat competitive level too. Oh, and I broke/tore something in a guy's ankle. Something to put him in a boot for awhile.
I've coached my cousin's soccer team for a few years now, and she has moved her way up to travel soccer. Between that and some club games, these girls get physical. It definitely isn't just prancing around, and they're only 11.
The idea that you just job around lightly for 60 to 90 minutes is pretty damn ignorant. You make contact, you play physical. Where, again, the vast majority of any contact in baseball is an accident.
Also, great MLS game on right now between LA and NE on Fox Sports
So how do you coach soccer Woodly?
How are the plays drawn up? Strategies used?
I was told that if soccer appears to you as a bunch of guys kicking a ball up and down the field, then you understand soccer.
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Between the Men's WC last year, the Women's WC this year, the 2016 Copa America tourney being held in the US, (and potentially the 2022 WC), growing popularity of the EPL, growing popularity and expansion of the MLS, bringing older overseas stars to the MLS, shifting US demographics to ethnicities that watch soccer, etc etc etc
Among 12-24 year old in the US, Messi is their 4th favorite athlete and Ronaldo is their 7th.
Or this graphic from a few years ago, showing Pro Soccer as the 2nd favorite sport among 12-24 year olds
Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, whether some want to admit it or not.
On the other hand....
On the other hand Baseball is dying a slow death. The average fan is getting older and older as kids today become less interested in the sport. I find the sport incredibly boring, and look forward to it becoming much less relevant. Watching the same Top 10s all summer, a variation of maybe three different plays in baseball, gets incredibly old...
Between the Men's WC last year, the Women's WC this year, the 2016 Copa America tourney being held in the US, (and potentially the 2022 WC), growing popularity of the EPL, growing popularity and expansion of the MLS, bringing older overseas stars to the MLS, shifting US demographics to ethnicities that watch soccer, etc etc etc
Among 12-24 year old in the US, Messi is their 4th favorite athlete and Ronaldo is their 7th.
Or this graphic from a few years ago, showing Pro Soccer as the 2nd favorite sport among 12-24 year olds
Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, whether some want to admit it or not.
On the other hand....
On the other hand Baseball is dying a slow death. The average fan is getting older and older as kids today become less interested in the sport. I find the sport incredibly boring, and look forward to it becoming much less relevant. Watching the same Top 10s all summer, a variation of maybe three different plays in baseball, gets incredibly old...
No doubt. I think a big part of that is baseball is a game of failure. Even when you do great, you fail around 60% of the time. Todays parents and kids can't deal with failure. Face it, any clumsey kid can manage to kick a ball. "Good job Johnny, you kicked a ball!"
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Between the Men's WC last year, the Women's WC this year, the 2016 Copa America tourney being held in the US, (and potentially the 2022 WC), growing popularity of the EPL, growing popularity and expansion of the MLS, bringing older overseas stars to the MLS, shifting US demographics to ethnicities that watch soccer, etc etc etc
Among 12-24 year old in the US, Messi is their 4th favorite athlete and Ronaldo is their 7th.
Or this graphic from a few years ago, showing Pro Soccer as the 2nd favorite sport among 12-24 year olds
Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, whether some want to admit it or not.
On the other hand....
On the other hand Baseball is dying a slow death. The average fan is getting older and older as kids today become less interested in the sport. I find the sport incredibly boring, and look forward to it becoming much less relevant. Watching the same Top 10s all summer, a variation of maybe three different plays in baseball, gets incredibly old...
No doubt. I think a big part of that is baseball is a game of failure. Even when you do great, you fail around 60% of the time. Todays parents and kids can't deal with failure. Face it, any clumsey kid can manage to kick a ball. "Good job Johnny, you kicked a ball!"
No doubt. I think a big part of that is baseball is a game of failure. Even when you do great, you fail around 60% of the time. Todays parents and kids can't deal with failure. Face it, any clumsey kid can manage to kick a ball. "Good job Johnny, you kicked a ball!"
Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
No doubt. I think a big part of that is baseball is a game of failure. Even when you do great, you fail around 60% of the time. Todays parents and kids can't deal with failure. Face it, any clumsey kid can manage to kick a ball. "Good job Johnny, you kicked a ball!"
Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
Yes, I'm sure all of the fat kids love baseball...
If you think there is no skill involved with soccer, even at a young age, you again have no idea what you're talking about.
Yes, at a young age the "skill factor" plays less of a role as pure athleticism, but it still matters a good bit. If swinging a bat and throwing a ball are your gold standard for skill, I'm not sure how you couldn't give credit to dribbling, passing, shooting, defending, etc.
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Between the Men's WC last year, the Women's WC this year, the 2016 Copa America tourney being held in the US, (and potentially the 2022 WC), growing popularity of the EPL, growing popularity and expansion of the MLS, bringing older overseas stars to the MLS, shifting US demographics to ethnicities that watch soccer, etc etc etc
Among 12-24 year old in the US, Messi is their 4th favorite athlete and Ronaldo is their 7th.
Or this graphic from a few years ago, showing Pro Soccer as the 2nd favorite sport among 12-24 year olds
Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, whether some want to admit it or not.
On the other hand....
On the other hand Baseball is dying a slow death. The average fan is getting older and older as kids today become less interested in the sport. I find the sport incredibly boring, and look forward to it becoming much less relevant. Watching the same Top 10s all summer, a variation of maybe three different plays in baseball, gets incredibly old...
No doubt. I think a big part of that is baseball is a game of failure. Even when you do great, you fail around 60% of the time. Todays parents and kids can't deal with failure. Face it, any clumsey kid can manage to kick a ball. "Good job Johnny, you kicked a ball!"
No doubt. I think a big part of that is baseball is a game of failure. Even when you do great, you fail around 60% of the time. Todays parents and kids can't deal with failure. Face it, any clumsey kid can manage to kick a ball. "Good job Johnny, you kicked a ball!"
Sure, any clumsy kid could kick a ball, but that doesn't mean they'd be anywhere close to decent at the sport. Those kids that have no business playing at a young age, are we to assume they only exist in soccer? Parents font want their kids playing baseball because it is "so difficult" and you usually fail... But everything you do in soccer is a positive? Come on...
This idea that soccer is popular among 5-12 year olds for "all of the wrong reasons", and that is causing the increase in popularity... Is just incorrect. Soccer is growing across many levels, including 12-24 year olds, where more competitive play will occur. Not to mention those that like watching the sport and its superstars.
Of course, there is still the decreasing popularity of baseball as a whole too.
But posters on here can keep grasping at straws to explain the changing dynamic. Your past time is fading and its all that damn wussification... Sure thing..
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As far as injuries go (though I am not in the "youth group"), over the past 6 months or so I have fractured my thumb and separated my shoulder playing soccer. Not exactly the worst injuries ever, but I had to go get checked out. This is just a somewhat competitive level too. Oh, and I broke/tore something in a guy's ankle. Something to put him in a boot for awhile.
I've coached my cousin's soccer team for a few years now, and she has moved her way up to travel soccer. Between that and some club games, these girls get physical. It definitely isn't just prancing around, and they're only 11.
The idea that you just job around lightly for 60 to 90 minutes is pretty damn ignorant. You make contact, you play physical. Where, again, the vast majority of any contact in baseball is an accident.
Also, great MLS game on right now between LA and NE on Fox Sports
So how do you coach soccer Woodly?
How are the plays drawn up? Strategies used?
I was told that if soccer appears to you as a bunch of guys kicking a ball up and down the field, then you understand soccer.
Stuart said:
So how do you coach soccer Woodly?
How are the plays drawn up? Strategies used?
I was told that if soccer appears to you as a bunch of guys kicking a ball up and down the field, then you understand soccer.
Do you think all a coach does in football is call plays?
Are you asking this sarcastically or do you really have no idea what you're talking about?
I've coached 7 to 11 year olds, the majority of what I focus on is fundamentals in practice. In a game, theres the basic subs and formation setting. There's also on the spot coaching opportunities to improve positioning, defense, decision making, etc.
I'm not sure where you're trying to go with tho, but it looks like you're just showing you have no idea what you're talking about again.
I said if soccer is just a bunch of light jogging and kicking a ball to you, then you really don't know anything about the sport.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I loved playing Olympics in gym. I know a kid that played travel Olympics. I wasn't bad at Olympics either....
Now you are coming off as simply stupid. Is that your intent?
You're confusing soccer growing and baseball dying with soccer being more popular than baseball, which I never said.
I didn't confuse shit. I said you are just flat out wrong and you can't accept that.
The graphs above show a sport with an aging fan base that isn't being replaced with a younger audience. That doesn't paint a good picture for MLB.
And I have seen other graphs that show many young people just as interested in baseball.
On the other hand soccer is growing in popularity, especially among the younger audience.
Yet...many more of them go to baseball games than go to soccer games.
I have/ younger kids. around your age. I have ever once ever heard them ask me to take them to a soccer game. But they did want to go to an Indians game on many occassions.
Maybe if Cleveland had a team there would have been some interest. Not sure.
My intent was to poke fun at your graph from earlier.
What am I wrong about? What evidence do you have to show I am wrong?
Show me those graphs that show young people just as interested in baseball...
I hate baseball, but I have been to more Indians games than pro soccer matches (0 pro matches, but some college games and 1 international game). You know why? It is readily available and pretty cheap. I imagine if I lived in Cbus I would have gone to some crew games. My friends went, I was invited, and after the game we hung out downtown. Hardly anyone at a baseball game even watches the game anyway, based on my experience. Of course, there being more people attending baseball overall (more matches, more stadiums, more teams) which probably means more young kids (probably, you'd need to provide data) doesn't mean much in the context of what we were talking about. I have provided numerous pieces of evidence showing the decline in baseball and growth in soccer. What do you have...?
... the Gippper "old man" special, anecdotal evidence. Congrats, your kids didn't want to go to a soccer match for the pro team that didn't exist in Cleveland. That settles the debate then...
My intent was to poke fun at your graph from earlier.
What am I wrong about? What evidence do you have to show I am wrong?
Show me those graphs that show young people just as interested in baseball...
I hate baseball, but I have been to more Indians games than pro soccer matches (0 pro matches, but some college games and 1 international game). You know why? It is readily available and pretty cheap. I imagine if I lived in Cbus I would have gone to some crew games. My friends went, I was invited, and after the game we hung out downtown. Hardly anyone at a baseball game even watches the game anyway, based on my experience. Of course, there being more people attending baseball overall (more matches, more stadiums, more teams) which probably means more young kids (probably, you'd need to provide data) doesn't mean much in the context of what we were talking about. I have provided numerous pieces of evidence showing the decline in baseball and growth in soccer. What do you have...?
... the Gippper "old man" special, anecdotal evidence. Congrats, your kids didn't want to go to a soccer match for the pro team that didn't exist in Cleveland. That settles the debate then...
Ah....so there it is. See the bold. It has nothing to do with facts/statistics....its just something you don't like.
What evidence do I have.....the Jan. 2015 graph that says that MLS is like I said....next to last on all sports on that list in interest.
Not sure what it is about that you cannot read.
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Bullshit Woodrow. Look I don't begrudge your love of a sport that bores most of us shitless. It's the only one I can think of with as many girls playing but...
If suburban kids are playing sports de los pro football and baseball will naturally fall to soccer.
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I don't care how you feel about the sport. I do not care what preconceived notions and biases you have. That doesn't matter.
Facts are facts. And your dumb post is still a dumb post.
Idk how many times I need to say this, I was never comparing football and soccer. Your stupid comment regarding suburban moms and black kids, which then morphed into comparing soccer to football, means nothing. This was soccer vs baseball. How you could see baseball as more physical/dangerous is beyond me.
What comments are you making now? How will you continue to walk away from your original post. You just keep bringing up more and more statements that don't relate to your original post at all.
I do not care if you do not like soccer. I do not care if your knowledge of the sport and those who play it is next to nothing. Just try to stay on topic with your original post, or admit you were wrong to begin with.
I don't care how you feel about the sport. I do not care what preconceived notions and biases you have. That doesn't matter.
Facts are facts. And your dumb post is still a dumb post.
Except....of course you only were interested in the facts that supported your view...and ignored that did not.
But Steve is right.....innercity black kids probably care less for soccer than they do baseball. I think that was his point....his fact...that you chose to ignore.
Idk how many times I need to say this, I was never comparing football and soccer. Your stupid comment regarding suburban moms and black kids, which then morphed into comparing soccer to football, means nothing. This was soccer vs baseball. How you could see baseball as more physical/dangerous is beyond me.
It seems that you know far less about baseball than any of us know about soccer. Did you seriously just ask how anyone can find baseball more physically dangerous than soccer? Have you ever watched a baseball game. You do know that they throw a rock hard projectile very near the body on every single baseball pla at a very high rate of speed, don't you? You do know that there is a reason they wear helmets, don't you.
Would you like to ask Ray Chapman if it is dangerous. Oh, sorry, you can't....he died from being hit in the head by baseball. How about Herb Score, Tony Congliaro? How about Ray Fosse.
What comments are you making now? How will you continue to walk away from your original post. You just keep bringing up more and more statements that don't relate to your original post at all.
That is his prerogative to do if he wants.
I do not care if you do not like soccer. I do not care if your knowledge of the sport and those who play it is next to nothing. Just try to stay on topic with your original post, or admit you were wrong to begin with.
So....OK....since you clearly know nothing about baseball......and he apparently knows nothing about soccer....the shut the fuck up yourself in making any comparisons.
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It boils down to the pussification of America and that not much skill is needed to lightly jog around and kick a ball back and forth.
was running 7 min miles my last 2 years in the army. a friend who was Ft. Devens soccer team goalie needed an emergency stand-in for a player who was running late to base so they didn't forfeit a playoff berth. i played for about 10 minutes and was dying. not as easy as you think.
And parents anymore would rather stare at their phones then play catch with their kids.
agree 100%. thanks you madden playing assholes.
was running 7 min miles my last 2 years in the army. a friend who was Ft. Devens soccer team goalie needed an emergency stand-in for a player who was running late to base so they didn't forfeit a playoff berth. i played for about 10 minutes and was dying. not as easy as you think.
agree 100%. thanks you madden playing assholes.
I don't think anyone would argue that soccer is not a more aerobic sport than baseball. But if I want an aerobic sport, I will engage in jogger watching.
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No doubt. I think a big part of that is baseball is a game of failure. Even when you do great, you fail around 60% of the time. Todays parents and kids can't deal with failure. Face it, any clumsey kid can manage to kick a ball. "Good job Johnny, you kicked a ball!"
Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
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My intent was to poke fun at your graph from earlier.
What am I wrong about? What evidence do you have to show I am wrong?
Show me those graphs that show young people just as interested in baseball...
I hate baseball, but I have been to more Indians games than pro soccer matches (0 pro matches, but some college games and 1 international game). You know why? It is readily available and pretty cheap. I imagine if I lived in Cbus I would have gone to some crew games. My friends went, I was invited, and after the game we hung out downtown. Hardly anyone at a baseball game even watches the game anyway, based on my experience. Of course, there being more people attending baseball overall (more matches, more stadiums, more teams) which probably means more young kids (probably, you'd need to provide data) doesn't mean much in the context of what we were talking about. I have provided numerous pieces of evidence showing the decline in baseball and growth in soccer. What do you have...?
... the Gippper "old man" special, anecdotal evidence. Congrats, your kids didn't want to go to a soccer match for the pro team that didn't exist in Cleveland. That settles the debate then...
Ah....so there it is. See the bold. It has nothing to do with facts/statistics....its just something you don't like.
What evidence do I have.....the Jan. 2015 graph that says that MLS is like I said....next to last on all sports on that list in interest.
Not sure what it is about that you cannot read.
Yes, exactly, all of the data and evidence I have presented is now incorrect because I do not enjoy watching baseball. You got me... There's your out...Ah....so there it is. See the bold. It has nothing to do with facts/statistics....its just something you don't like.
What evidence do I have.....the Jan. 2015 graph that says that MLS is like I said....next to last on all sports on that list in interest.
Not sure what it is about that you cannot read.
What, your graph listing "olympics" as a sport? Really?
And even then, it does nothing to rebut the growing popularity of soccer and falling popularity of baseball.
And again, you provided no evidence to support the new claims you made.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
Of course, but I like to troll Woody.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I don't care how you feel about the sport. I do not care what preconceived notions and biases you have. That doesn't matter.
Facts are facts. And your dumb post is still a dumb post.
Except....of course you only were interested in the facts that supported your view...and ignored that did not.
But Steve is right.....innercity black kids probably care less for soccer than they do baseball. I think that was his point....his fact...that you chose to ignore.
Idk how many times I need to say this, I was never comparing football and soccer. Your stupid comment regarding suburban moms and black kids, which then morphed into comparing soccer to football, means nothing. This was soccer vs baseball. How you could see baseball as more physical/dangerous is beyond me.
It seems that you know far less about baseball than any of us know about soccer. Did you seriously just ask how anyone can find baseball more physically dangerous than soccer? Have you ever watched a baseball game. You do know that they throw a rock hard projectile very near the body on every single baseball pla at a very high rate of speed, don't you? You do know that there is a reason they wear helmets, don't you.
Would you like to ask Ray Chapman if it is dangerous. Oh, sorry, you can't....he died from being hit in the head by baseball. How about Herb Score, Tony Congliaro? How about Ray Fosse.
What comments are you making now? How will you continue to walk away from your original post. You just keep bringing up more and more statements that don't relate to your original post at all.
That is his prerogative to do if he wants.
I do not care if you do not like soccer. I do not care if your knowledge of the sport and those who play it is next to nothing. Just try to stay on topic with your original post, or admit you were wrong to begin with.
So....OK....since you clearly know nothing about baseball......and he apparently knows nothing about soccer....the shut the fuck up yourself in making any comparisons.
I don't care how you feel about the sport. I do not care what preconceived notions and biases you have. That doesn't matter.
Facts are facts. And your dumb post is still a dumb post.
Except....of course you only were interested in the facts that supported your view...and ignored that did not.
But Steve is right.....innercity black kids probably care less for soccer than they do baseball. I think that was his point....his fact...that you chose to ignore.
Idk how many times I need to say this, I was never comparing football and soccer. Your stupid comment regarding suburban moms and black kids, which then morphed into comparing soccer to football, means nothing. This was soccer vs baseball. How you could see baseball as more physical/dangerous is beyond me.
It seems that you know far less about baseball than any of us know about soccer. Did you seriously just ask how anyone can find baseball more physically dangerous than soccer? Have you ever watched a baseball game. You do know that they throw a rock hard projectile very near the body on every single baseball pla at a very high rate of speed, don't you? You do know that there is a reason they wear helmets, don't you.
Would you like to ask Ray Chapman if it is dangerous. Oh, sorry, you can't....he died from being hit in the head by baseball. How about Herb Score, Tony Congliaro? How about Ray Fosse.
What comments are you making now? How will you continue to walk away from your original post. You just keep bringing up more and more statements that don't relate to your original post at all.
That is his prerogative to do if he wants.
I do not care if you do not like soccer. I do not care if your knowledge of the sport and those who play it is next to nothing. Just try to stay on topic with your original post, or admit you were wrong to begin with.
So....OK....since you clearly know nothing about baseball......and he apparently knows nothing about soccer....the shut the fuck up yourself in making any comparisons.
Yes, yes, very clever. Attempt to flip it. Now I'm the one that knows nothing about the other side... Right. That's one way to try to back out of a losing argument I guess.
I said the majority of the contact and "physicality" is accidental, which is true. If your case for baseball being more physical than soccer is that sometimes people get clocked with the ball on accident, and in extremely rare cases serious injury or death occurs, you really have no case. I guess being a NASCAR driver is pretty physical too, since drivers have died in car crashes...
Physicality of a sport is sustained thing. Not fluke, accidental plays here and there.
I am not ignoring facts that contradict my view. I invite you to find and post them. Find me multiple, reputable sources that support your views. So far, you have not provided that.
I have no idea what Steve's point was. As we went back and forth, I'm not sure he did either. If it was that black inner city kids play less soccer, then yeah, sure. I imagine without open space to run it would be pretty hard.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Yes, exactly, all of the data and evidence I have presented is now incorrect because I do not enjoy watching baseball. You got me... There's your out...Ah....so there it is. See the bold. It has nothing to do with facts/statistics....its just something you don't like.
What evidence do I have.....the Jan. 2015 graph that says that MLS is like I said....next to last on all sports on that list in interest.
Not sure what it is about that you cannot read.
What, your graph listing "olympics" as a sport? Really?
And even then, it does nothing to rebut the growing popularity of soccer and falling popularity of baseball.
And again, you provided no evidence to support the new claims you made.
Yes, exactly, all of the data and evidence I have presented is now incorrect because I do not enjoy watching baseball. You got me... There's your out...
Actually...you jest...but I think that is EXACTLY correct.
What, your graph listing "olympics" as a sport? Really?
Are you still continuing to be a little cunt about that? People like the Olympics as the smorgasboard of sport.
And even then, it does nothing to rebut the growing popularity of soccer and falling popularity of baseball.
It doesn't have to. It stands on its own.
And again, you provided no evidence to support the new claims you made.
I don't need new evidence. The old evidence is sufficient. In a court you don't need 100 character witnesses when 1 or 2 quality ones will do.
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