Jonathan Paul Manziel
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baloney. He has never sunk so low that he was a rapistbooger. Or a girlfriend beater.
Let's just see if he can get his career back on track.
I really wanted Garoppolo - he was in my mock drafts...
Hard to depend on JM this coming year ...need a third qb on the roster.
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Its OK to have a shitry personality if you can actually produce. Everything will be swept aside if you can throw a ball good and win games.
Having a shitty, look at me, money sign, let's party, market yourself, personality that doesn't produce... Well you deserve the ridicule then.
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Irrelevant to the point we're discussing. Browns fans, despite your claims, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they wanted to be fans of a bad boy QB.
Irrelevant to the point we're discussing. Browns fans, despite your claims, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they wanted to be fans of a bad boy QB.
Maybe lots of 12 year olds bought jerseys.
I run a Browns fan website and am president of Browns Backer chapter of 300 or so fans.
Never got the indication that Browns fans want a "bad boy" QB.
Starving for a good one ... yes. Hoping he's a 5'11 elf that flips people off ... no.
But we will take that if he's good.
Pretty simple, really.
Zombo
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If he sucks, can't beat out the old man, and continues to struggle then cut him. If he shows marked improvement, hustle, determination etc. Keep him. Pretty simple.
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If he can act like this with "ZERO" success in the NFL, i can't wait until he get s glimpse of being successful. This could be dangerous for the Browns and JFF himself.
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I wonder if the thought ever occurred to Manziel to just give the little douchebag an autograph when he first asked for it. But who knows how he was "asked". If the kid was polite about it that's one thing, but if he said some stupid shit which I suspect he did, that's another. Either way it shouldn't have taken two hours to resolve. Something is wrong with that picture.
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Irrelevant to the point we're discussing. Browns fans, despite your claims, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they wanted to be fans of a bad boy QB.
Maybe lots of 12 year olds bought jerseys.
I run a Browns fan website and am president of Browns Backer chapter of 300 or so fans.
Never got the indication that Browns fans want a "bad boy" QB.
Starving for a good one ... yes. Hoping he's a 5'11 elf that flips people off ... no.
But we will take that if he's good.
Pretty simple, really.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Maybe lots of 12 year olds bought jerseys.
I run a Browns fan website and am president of Browns Backer chapter of 300 or so fans.
Never got the indication that Browns fans want a "bad boy" QB.
Starving for a good one ... yes. Hoping he's a 5'11 elf that flips people off ... no.
But we will take that if he's good.
Pretty simple, really.
Zombo
If Manziel's sales were higher than Weeden's then I would say they do. And they were.
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I wonder if the thought ever occurred to Manziel to just give the little douchebag an autograph when he first asked for it. But who knows how he was "asked". If the kid was polite about it that's one thing, but if he said some stupid shit which I suspect he did, that's another. Either way it shouldn't have taken two hours to resolve. Something is wrong with that picture.
I wonder if the thought ever occurred to Manziel to just give the little douchebag an autograph when he first asked for it. But who knows how he was "asked". If the kid was polite about it that's one thing, but if he said some stupid shit which I suspect he did, that's another. Either way it shouldn't have taken two hours to resolve. Something is wrong with that picture.
Unless JFF was boozing again.
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nobody liked the weeden pick and a lot of us didn't like the manziel pick.
the only fans that were in a fevered pitch about manziel coming to the browns and that stormed the jersey sales were the fagboy A&M fans or any kid that likes watching a midget run around and fling up prayers to a WR that won him more games than deserved. (btw, would all of you A&M fans have rushed to become brown's fans if we were to have drafted mike evans?) yes little girls and little girl/boys are his biggest fanbase.
to put manziel in the same sentence as the other QBs mentioned above is laughable. hilarious! hell, i can't stop laughing!! HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!
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Reading the whole story, if all the kid wanted was an autograph and I wanted to shoo him away - sign the damn thing and be done with it.
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So.... he is arguably the most successful quarterback of all time and completely deflates, if you will, your theory.
Cleveland Browns fans were "impressed" enough to put him in the top 5 or something nuts like that of jersey sales before ever even taking a snap. Did Weeden do that? McCoy? Quinn? Clearly Browns fans really wanted him to be the guy, and his personality had something to do with that.
Cleveland Browns fans were "impressed" enough to put him in the top 5 or something nuts like that of jersey sales before ever even taking a snap. Did Weeden do that? McCoy? Quinn? Clearly Browns fans really wanted him to be the guy, and his personality had something to do with that.
Johnny fans were impressed, not Browns fans.. The difference between Johnny and Weeden/McCoy/Quinn is that the other 3 didnt come with a million queer college fans who worship the ground they walk on. All those "cleveland fans' that bought those jersey were really just Johnny come latelys who became Browns fans only after the knucklehead was drafted. I guarantee his sales would been the same no matter where he landed.
And by October, Hoyers jersey was outselling Johnnys. Why? Because Johnny let everybody down.
So, yeah, of course the Cleveland fans want him to be great. And it's understandable why they feel screwed. Dont see what is so hard to understand here.
Where are his jersey sales now? Because Im thinking they are falling like rain and there is a reason for that
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You only have to read the thousand articles and threads debating this guy to see that he is completely polarizing and a lightening rod for trouble. He has created a rift in the fan base and probably some of the team. They are people with opinions, just like us, and Ill guess that he has divided some of them.
Obviously, he's brought a lot of negativity to the Browns. Now Im looking for the positives. Anyone got any????
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You only have to read the thousand articles and threads debating this guy to see that he is completely polarizing and a lightening rod for trouble. He has created a rift in the fan base and probably some of the team. They are people with opinions, just like us, and Ill guess that he has divided some of them.
Obviously, he's brought a lot of negativity to the Browns. Now Im looking for the positives. Anyone got any????
You only have to read the thousand articles and threads debating this guy to see that he is completely polarizing and a lightening rod for trouble. He has created a rift in the fan base and probably some of the team. They are people with opinions, just like us, and Ill guess that he has divided some of them.
Obviously, he's brought a lot of negativity to the Browns. Now Im looking for the positives. Anyone got any????
Jersey and ticket sales.
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UPDATE: Mary Kay Cabot passes along a statement from an Irving police spokesperson:
Details: Irving police spokesman told Cleveland.com a fan harassed Johnny manziel at hotel pool. Refused to stop…. Manziel threw a water bottle at the man, an 18-year-old. Things escalated. Hotel security intervened, then police also intervened… Police did not detect that Manziel had been drinking. Fan decided not to press charges. No charges filed.----------------------------------------------------So now we find out it was actually at the hotel pool and not at the golf course. Yeah JM needs to stay way from living any kind of life. Give me an f'n break.And you "fans" who are always quick to throw him under the bus need to crawl back in your holes.
So now we find out it was actually at the hotel pool and not at the golf course.
The "hotel" is the nerve center of that Golf Tournament.
"The result was a dust up at the pool of the Four Seasons Resort and Club Dallas, site of this week's stop on the PGA Tour."
What happened to all the Cleveland fans that tell me they support their players through thick and thin? That's the real mystery here.
We have a preference for those that actually play.
Zombo said:
I'm sure the 18 year old was a flipping idiot.
Yes, he was... but our uber competitive, 22 yo QB apprentice couldn't resist trying to outdo him.
As pointed out above, sign the frickin' autograph, thank the fan and enjoy your pool time.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So now we find out it was actually at the hotel pool and not at the golf course.
The "hotel" is the nerve center of that Golf Tournament.
"The result was a dust up at the pool of the Four Seasons Resort and Club Dallas, site of this week's stop on the PGA Tour."
What happened to all the Cleveland fans that tell me they support their players through thick and thin? That's the real mystery here.
We have a preference for those that actually play.
Zombo said:
I'm sure the 18 year old was a flipping idiot.
Yes, he was... but our uber competitive, 22 yo QB apprentice couldn't resist trying to outdo him.
As pointed out above, sign the frickin' autograph, thank the fan and enjoy your pool time.
The "hotel" is the nerve center of that Golf Tournament.
"The result was a dust up at the pool of the Four Seasons Resort and Club Dallas, site of this week's stop on the PGA Tour."
We have a preference for those that actually play.
Yes, he was... but our uber competitive, 22 yo QB apprentice couldn't resist trying to outdo him.
As pointed out above, sign the frickin' autograph, thank the fan and enjoy your pool time.
Why is the onus on Johnny to sign the autograph? If a guy doesn't want to sign the autograph, the fan should respect that and leave.
If Haden had refused and this whole schpiel had occurred, I'm willing to bet every single person in here would have been on the "this fan was a pushy ass douchebag" train.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
well he should have watched the tourney from his $$$$ condo IN CLEVELAND, where he should be learning THE PLAYBOOK.
i don't care what he thinks of my opinion of him because dollars to donuts he'll be off the browns after this year anyways.
I doubt it. Just because you're butthurt over the things he gets to do doesn't mean he'll be going anywhere.
Even if he's marginal, he'll be on the team next season.
I doubt it. Just because you're butthurt over the things he gets to do doesn't mean he'll be going anywhere.
Even if he's marginal, he'll be on the team next season.
TC, leave the whole butthurt" angle for others who cannot build an argument. It's way beneath you.
So.... he is arguably the most successful COLLEGE quarterback of all time and completely deflates, if you will, your theory.
Fixed.. unless you were referring to Brady.
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The "hotel" is the nerve center of that Golf Tournament.
"The result was a dust up at the pool of the Four Seasons Resort and Club Dallas, site of this week's stop on the PGA Tour."
We have a preference for those that actually play.
Yes, he was... but our uber competitive, 22 yo QB apprentice couldn't resist trying to outdo him.
As pointed out above, sign the frickin' autograph, thank the fan and enjoy your pool time.
Why is the onus on Johnny to sign the autograph? If a guy doesn't want to sign the autograph, the fan should respect that and leave.
If Haden had refused and this whole schpiel had occurred, I'm willing to bet every single person in here would have been on the "this fan was a pushy ass douchebag" train.
Why is the onus on Johnny to sign the autograph? If a guy doesn't want to sign the autograph, the fan should respect that and leave.
If Haden had refused and this whole schpiel had occurred, I'm willing to bet every single person in here would have been on the "this fan was a pushy ass douchebag" train.
Yep.
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joe haden has more class in his little toe than manziel could ever hope to have.
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The "hotel" is the nerve center of that Golf Tournament.
"The result was a dust up at the pool of the Four Seasons Resort and Club Dallas, site of this week's stop on the PGA Tour."
We have a preference for those that actually play.
Yes, he was... but our uber competitive, 22 yo QB apprentice couldn't resist trying to outdo him.
As pointed out above, sign the frickin' autograph, thank the fan and enjoy your pool time.
Why is the onus on Johnny to sign the autograph? If a guy doesn't want to sign the autograph, the fan should respect that and leave.
If Haden had refused and this whole schpiel had occurred, I'm willing to bet every single person in here would have been on the "this fan was a pushy ass douchebag" train.
Why is the onus on Johnny to sign the autograph? If a guy doesn't want to sign the autograph, the fan should respect that and leave.
If Haden had refused and this whole schpiel had occurred, I'm willing to bet every single person in here would have been on the "this fan was a pushy ass douchebag" train.
Based on the article I think the "fan" in this case was a "pushy ass douchebag". Only makes it even easier for JM to be the bigger person here. I'd think he'd want to diffuse the situation right off the bat.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Johnny is still a boy, and until he grows into a man, he'll continue to make boyish decisions. Men need to be led by a man, and right now the kid isn't even close to being a leader, and hell, we haven't even talked about his lack of size, questionable arm strength, inability to read an NFL defense or inability to grasp the playbook.
Time will tell, and the clock is ticking..............
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