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I loved playing Olympics in gym. I know a kid that played travel Olympics. I wasn't bad at Olympics either....
Now you are coming off as simply stupid. Is that your intent?
You're confusing soccer growing and baseball dying with soccer being more popular than baseball, which I never said.
I didn't confuse shit. I said you are just flat out wrong and you can't accept that.
The graphs above show a sport with an aging fan base that isn't being replaced with a younger audience. That doesn't paint a good picture for MLB.
And I have seen other graphs that show many young people just as interested in baseball.
On the other hand soccer is growing in popularity, especially among the younger audience.
Yet...many more of them go to baseball games than go to soccer games.
I have/ younger kids. around your age. I have ever once ever heard them ask me to take them to a soccer game. But they did want to go to an Indians game on many occassions.
Maybe if Cleveland had a team there would have been some interest. Not sure.
My intent was to poke fun at your graph from earlier.
What am I wrong about? What evidence do you have to show I am wrong?
Show me those graphs that show young people just as interested in baseball...
I hate baseball, but I have been to more Indians games than pro soccer matches (0 pro matches, but some college games and 1 international game). You know why? It is readily available and pretty cheap. I imagine if I lived in Cbus I would have gone to some crew games. My friends went, I was invited, and after the game we hung out downtown. Hardly anyone at a baseball game even watches the game anyway, based on my experience. Of course, there being more people attending baseball overall (more matches, more stadiums, more teams) which probably means more young kids (probably, you'd need to provide data) doesn't mean much in the context of what we were talking about. I have provided numerous pieces of evidence showing the decline in baseball and growth in soccer. What do you have...?
... the Gippper "old man" special, anecdotal evidence. Congrats, your kids didn't want to go to a soccer match for the pro team that didn't exist in Cleveland. That settles the debate then...
My intent was to poke fun at your graph from earlier.
What am I wrong about? What evidence do you have to show I am wrong?
Show me those graphs that show young people just as interested in baseball...
I hate baseball, but I have been to more Indians games than pro soccer matches (0 pro matches, but some college games and 1 international game). You know why? It is readily available and pretty cheap. I imagine if I lived in Cbus I would have gone to some crew games. My friends went, I was invited, and after the game we hung out downtown. Hardly anyone at a baseball game even watches the game anyway, based on my experience. Of course, there being more people attending baseball overall (more matches, more stadiums, more teams) which probably means more young kids (probably, you'd need to provide data) doesn't mean much in the context of what we were talking about. I have provided numerous pieces of evidence showing the decline in baseball and growth in soccer. What do you have...?
... the Gippper "old man" special, anecdotal evidence. Congrats, your kids didn't want to go to a soccer match for the pro team that didn't exist in Cleveland. That settles the debate then...
Ah....so there it is. See the bold. It has nothing to do with facts/statistics....its just something you don't like.
What evidence do I have.....the Jan. 2015 graph that says that MLS is like I said....next to last on all sports on that list in interest.
Not sure what it is about that you cannot read.
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Bullshit Woodrow. Look I don't begrudge your love of a sport that bores most of us shitless. It's the only one I can think of with as many girls playing but...
If suburban kids are playing sports de los pro football and baseball will naturally fall to soccer.
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I don't care how you feel about the sport. I do not care what preconceived notions and biases you have. That doesn't matter.
Facts are facts. And your dumb post is still a dumb post.
Idk how many times I need to say this, I was never comparing football and soccer. Your stupid comment regarding suburban moms and black kids, which then morphed into comparing soccer to football, means nothing. This was soccer vs baseball. How you could see baseball as more physical/dangerous is beyond me.
What comments are you making now? How will you continue to walk away from your original post. You just keep bringing up more and more statements that don't relate to your original post at all.
I do not care if you do not like soccer. I do not care if your knowledge of the sport and those who play it is next to nothing. Just try to stay on topic with your original post, or admit you were wrong to begin with.
I don't care how you feel about the sport. I do not care what preconceived notions and biases you have. That doesn't matter.
Facts are facts. And your dumb post is still a dumb post.
Except....of course you only were interested in the facts that supported your view...and ignored that did not.
But Steve is right.....innercity black kids probably care less for soccer than they do baseball. I think that was his point....his fact...that you chose to ignore.
Idk how many times I need to say this, I was never comparing football and soccer. Your stupid comment regarding suburban moms and black kids, which then morphed into comparing soccer to football, means nothing. This was soccer vs baseball. How you could see baseball as more physical/dangerous is beyond me.
It seems that you know far less about baseball than any of us know about soccer. Did you seriously just ask how anyone can find baseball more physically dangerous than soccer? Have you ever watched a baseball game. You do know that they throw a rock hard projectile very near the body on every single baseball pla at a very high rate of speed, don't you? You do know that there is a reason they wear helmets, don't you.
Would you like to ask Ray Chapman if it is dangerous. Oh, sorry, you can't....he died from being hit in the head by baseball. How about Herb Score, Tony Congliaro? How about Ray Fosse.
What comments are you making now? How will you continue to walk away from your original post. You just keep bringing up more and more statements that don't relate to your original post at all.
That is his prerogative to do if he wants.
I do not care if you do not like soccer. I do not care if your knowledge of the sport and those who play it is next to nothing. Just try to stay on topic with your original post, or admit you were wrong to begin with.
So....OK....since you clearly know nothing about baseball......and he apparently knows nothing about soccer....the shut the fuck up yourself in making any comparisons.
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It boils down to the pussification of America and that not much skill is needed to lightly jog around and kick a ball back and forth.
was running 7 min miles my last 2 years in the army. a friend who was Ft. Devens soccer team goalie needed an emergency stand-in for a player who was running late to base so they didn't forfeit a playoff berth. i played for about 10 minutes and was dying. not as easy as you think.
And parents anymore would rather stare at their phones then play catch with their kids.
agree 100%. thanks you madden playing assholes.
was running 7 min miles my last 2 years in the army. a friend who was Ft. Devens soccer team goalie needed an emergency stand-in for a player who was running late to base so they didn't forfeit a playoff berth. i played for about 10 minutes and was dying. not as easy as you think.
agree 100%. thanks you madden playing assholes.
I don't think anyone would argue that soccer is not a more aerobic sport than baseball. But if I want an aerobic sport, I will engage in jogger watching.
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No doubt. I think a big part of that is baseball is a game of failure. Even when you do great, you fail around 60% of the time. Todays parents and kids can't deal with failure. Face it, any clumsey kid can manage to kick a ball. "Good job Johnny, you kicked a ball!"
Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
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My intent was to poke fun at your graph from earlier.
What am I wrong about? What evidence do you have to show I am wrong?
Show me those graphs that show young people just as interested in baseball...
I hate baseball, but I have been to more Indians games than pro soccer matches (0 pro matches, but some college games and 1 international game). You know why? It is readily available and pretty cheap. I imagine if I lived in Cbus I would have gone to some crew games. My friends went, I was invited, and after the game we hung out downtown. Hardly anyone at a baseball game even watches the game anyway, based on my experience. Of course, there being more people attending baseball overall (more matches, more stadiums, more teams) which probably means more young kids (probably, you'd need to provide data) doesn't mean much in the context of what we were talking about. I have provided numerous pieces of evidence showing the decline in baseball and growth in soccer. What do you have...?
... the Gippper "old man" special, anecdotal evidence. Congrats, your kids didn't want to go to a soccer match for the pro team that didn't exist in Cleveland. That settles the debate then...
Ah....so there it is. See the bold. It has nothing to do with facts/statistics....its just something you don't like.
What evidence do I have.....the Jan. 2015 graph that says that MLS is like I said....next to last on all sports on that list in interest.
Not sure what it is about that you cannot read.
Yes, exactly, all of the data and evidence I have presented is now incorrect because I do not enjoy watching baseball. You got me... There's your out...Ah....so there it is. See the bold. It has nothing to do with facts/statistics....its just something you don't like.
What evidence do I have.....the Jan. 2015 graph that says that MLS is like I said....next to last on all sports on that list in interest.
Not sure what it is about that you cannot read.
What, your graph listing "olympics" as a sport? Really?
And even then, it does nothing to rebut the growing popularity of soccer and falling popularity of baseball.
And again, you provided no evidence to support the new claims you made.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
Of course, but I like to troll Woody.
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I don't care how you feel about the sport. I do not care what preconceived notions and biases you have. That doesn't matter.
Facts are facts. And your dumb post is still a dumb post.
Except....of course you only were interested in the facts that supported your view...and ignored that did not.
But Steve is right.....innercity black kids probably care less for soccer than they do baseball. I think that was his point....his fact...that you chose to ignore.
Idk how many times I need to say this, I was never comparing football and soccer. Your stupid comment regarding suburban moms and black kids, which then morphed into comparing soccer to football, means nothing. This was soccer vs baseball. How you could see baseball as more physical/dangerous is beyond me.
It seems that you know far less about baseball than any of us know about soccer. Did you seriously just ask how anyone can find baseball more physically dangerous than soccer? Have you ever watched a baseball game. You do know that they throw a rock hard projectile very near the body on every single baseball pla at a very high rate of speed, don't you? You do know that there is a reason they wear helmets, don't you.
Would you like to ask Ray Chapman if it is dangerous. Oh, sorry, you can't....he died from being hit in the head by baseball. How about Herb Score, Tony Congliaro? How about Ray Fosse.
What comments are you making now? How will you continue to walk away from your original post. You just keep bringing up more and more statements that don't relate to your original post at all.
That is his prerogative to do if he wants.
I do not care if you do not like soccer. I do not care if your knowledge of the sport and those who play it is next to nothing. Just try to stay on topic with your original post, or admit you were wrong to begin with.
So....OK....since you clearly know nothing about baseball......and he apparently knows nothing about soccer....the shut the fuck up yourself in making any comparisons.
I don't care how you feel about the sport. I do not care what preconceived notions and biases you have. That doesn't matter.
Facts are facts. And your dumb post is still a dumb post.
Except....of course you only were interested in the facts that supported your view...and ignored that did not.
But Steve is right.....innercity black kids probably care less for soccer than they do baseball. I think that was his point....his fact...that you chose to ignore.
Idk how many times I need to say this, I was never comparing football and soccer. Your stupid comment regarding suburban moms and black kids, which then morphed into comparing soccer to football, means nothing. This was soccer vs baseball. How you could see baseball as more physical/dangerous is beyond me.
It seems that you know far less about baseball than any of us know about soccer. Did you seriously just ask how anyone can find baseball more physically dangerous than soccer? Have you ever watched a baseball game. You do know that they throw a rock hard projectile very near the body on every single baseball pla at a very high rate of speed, don't you? You do know that there is a reason they wear helmets, don't you.
Would you like to ask Ray Chapman if it is dangerous. Oh, sorry, you can't....he died from being hit in the head by baseball. How about Herb Score, Tony Congliaro? How about Ray Fosse.
What comments are you making now? How will you continue to walk away from your original post. You just keep bringing up more and more statements that don't relate to your original post at all.
That is his prerogative to do if he wants.
I do not care if you do not like soccer. I do not care if your knowledge of the sport and those who play it is next to nothing. Just try to stay on topic with your original post, or admit you were wrong to begin with.
So....OK....since you clearly know nothing about baseball......and he apparently knows nothing about soccer....the shut the fuck up yourself in making any comparisons.
Yes, yes, very clever. Attempt to flip it. Now I'm the one that knows nothing about the other side... Right. That's one way to try to back out of a losing argument I guess.
I said the majority of the contact and "physicality" is accidental, which is true. If your case for baseball being more physical than soccer is that sometimes people get clocked with the ball on accident, and in extremely rare cases serious injury or death occurs, you really have no case. I guess being a NASCAR driver is pretty physical too, since drivers have died in car crashes...
Physicality of a sport is sustained thing. Not fluke, accidental plays here and there.
I am not ignoring facts that contradict my view. I invite you to find and post them. Find me multiple, reputable sources that support your views. So far, you have not provided that.
I have no idea what Steve's point was. As we went back and forth, I'm not sure he did either. If it was that black inner city kids play less soccer, then yeah, sure. I imagine without open space to run it would be pretty hard.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Yes, exactly, all of the data and evidence I have presented is now incorrect because I do not enjoy watching baseball. You got me... There's your out...Ah....so there it is. See the bold. It has nothing to do with facts/statistics....its just something you don't like.
What evidence do I have.....the Jan. 2015 graph that says that MLS is like I said....next to last on all sports on that list in interest.
Not sure what it is about that you cannot read.
What, your graph listing "olympics" as a sport? Really?
And even then, it does nothing to rebut the growing popularity of soccer and falling popularity of baseball.
And again, you provided no evidence to support the new claims you made.
Yes, exactly, all of the data and evidence I have presented is now incorrect because I do not enjoy watching baseball. You got me... There's your out...
Actually...you jest...but I think that is EXACTLY correct.
What, your graph listing "olympics" as a sport? Really?
Are you still continuing to be a little cunt about that? People like the Olympics as the smorgasboard of sport.
And even then, it does nothing to rebut the growing popularity of soccer and falling popularity of baseball.
It doesn't have to. It stands on its own.
And again, you provided no evidence to support the new claims you made.
I don't need new evidence. The old evidence is sufficient. In a court you don't need 100 character witnesses when 1 or 2 quality ones will do.
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Exactly. I started playing little league in Brookside park when I was around 7 or so. Baseball is a game of skill. Soccer you need to be able to run and have aerobic endurance, plus kick, but that is about it.
You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
I also figured you could break sports into how much Athleticism and how much Skill they take.You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
Cross Country running really doesn't take much skill, but it takes a ton of athleticism.
Golf doesn't take much athleticism, but it takes a lot of skill.
Most other sports fall within that spectrum.
Also,
#RespectTheHustle
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
Of course, but I like to troll Woody.
Of course, but I like to troll Woody.
A) I have nothing better to do than troll random posters
Shit, I did sound stupid. I'll just say I was trolling.Ok, whatever works for you.
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Of course, but I like to troll Woody.
A) I have nothing better to do than troll random posters
Shit, I did sound stupid. I'll just say I was trolling.Ok, whatever works for you.
A) I have nothing better to do than troll random posters
Shit, I did sound stupid. I'll just say I was trolling.Ok, whatever works for you.
At least you're honest.
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Yes, exactly, all of the data and evidence I have presented is now incorrect because I do not enjoy watching baseball. You got me... There's your out...
Actually...you jest...but I think that is EXACTLY correct.
What, your graph listing "olympics" as a sport? Really?
Are you still continuing to be a little cunt about that? People like the Olympics as the smorgasboard of sport.
And even then, it does nothing to rebut the growing popularity of soccer and falling popularity of baseball.
It doesn't have to. It stands on its own.
And again, you provided no evidence to support the new claims you made.
I don't need new evidence. The old evidence is sufficient. In a court you don't need 100 character witnesses when 1 or 2 quality ones will do.
Yes, exactly, all of the data and evidence I have presented is now incorrect because I do not enjoy watching baseball. You got me... There's your out...
Actually...you jest...but I think that is EXACTLY correct.
What, your graph listing "olympics" as a sport? Really?
Are you still continuing to be a little cunt about that? People like the Olympics as the smorgasboard of sport.
And even then, it does nothing to rebut the growing popularity of soccer and falling popularity of baseball.
It doesn't have to. It stands on its own.
And again, you provided no evidence to support the new claims you made.
I don't need new evidence. The old evidence is sufficient. In a court you don't need 100 character witnesses when 1 or 2 quality ones will do.
Gipper: "I'm right because I say so!"
Haha, sure thing.
It doesn't "stand on its own". If you are going to make a claim, back it up.
The data I presented isn't false now you dumbass. If you really think it is, you should be able to post your own rebutting it. Which I have invited you numerous times to do.
"I don't need new evidence". That would imply you had evidence to begun with. You haven't even attempted to support the majority of your claims...
It is like you learned about sources and evidence from the same place as half of the political board ...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I don't care how you feel about the sport. I do not care what preconceived notions and biases you have. That doesn't matter.
Facts are facts. And your dumb post is still a dumb post.
Except....of course you only were interested in the facts that supported your view...and ignored that did not.
But Steve is right.....innercity black kids probably care less for soccer than they do baseball. I think that was his point....his fact...that you chose to ignore.
Idk how many times I need to say this, I was never comparing football and soccer. Your stupid comment regarding suburban moms and black kids, which then morphed into comparing soccer to football, means nothing. This was soccer vs baseball. How you could see baseball as more physical/dangerous is beyond me.
It seems that you know far less about baseball than any of us know about soccer. Did you seriously just ask how anyone can find baseball more physically dangerous than soccer? Have you ever watched a baseball game. You do know that they throw a rock hard projectile very near the body on every single baseball pla at a very high rate of speed, don't you? You do know that there is a reason they wear helmets, don't you.
Would you like to ask Ray Chapman if it is dangerous. Oh, sorry, you can't....he died from being hit in the head by baseball. How about Herb Score, Tony Congliaro? How about Ray Fosse.
What comments are you making now? How will you continue to walk away from your original post. You just keep bringing up more and more statements that don't relate to your original post at all.
That is his prerogative to do if he wants.
I do not care if you do not like soccer. I do not care if your knowledge of the sport and those who play it is next to nothing. Just try to stay on topic with your original post, or admit you were wrong to begin with.
So....OK....since you clearly know nothing about baseball......and he apparently knows nothing about soccer....the shut the fuck up yourself in making any comparisons.
Yes, yes, very clever. Attempt to flip it. Now I'm the one that knows nothing about the other side... Right. That's one way to try to back out of a losing argument I guess.
I said the majority of the contact and "physicality" is accidental, which is true. If your case for baseball being more physical than soccer is that sometimes people get clocked with the ball on accident, and in extremely rare cases serious injury or death occurs, you really have no case. I guess being a NASCAR driver is pretty physical too, since drivers have died in car crashes...
Physicality of a sport is sustained thing. Not fluke, accidental plays here and there.
I am not ignoring facts that contradict my view. I invite you to find and post them. Find me multiple, reputable sources that support your views. So far, you have not provided that.
I have no idea what Steve's point was. As we went back and forth, I'm not sure he did either. If it was that black inner city kids play less soccer, then yeah, sure. I imagine without open space to run it would be pretty hard.
Yes, yes, very clever. Attempt to flip it. Now I'm the one that knows nothing about the other side... Right. That's one way to try to back out of a losing argument I guess.
You argument is a loser no matter what action you take.
I said the majority of the contact and "physicality" is accidental, which is true.
If your case for baseball being more physical than soccer is that sometimes people get clocked with the ball on accident, and in extremely rare cases serious injury or death occurs, you really have no case. I guess being a NASCAR driver is pretty physical too, since drivers have died in car crashes...
Physicality of a sport is sustained thing. Not fluke, accidental plays here and there.
Now you are trying to be coy and backpedal. The issue was how dangerous a sport is. .....Danger and physicality are two completely different matters....and danger was the issue you brought up.
I am not ignoring facts that contradict my view. I invite you to find and post them. Find me multiple, reputable sources that support your views. So far, you have not provided that.
Been done...multiple times.
I have no idea what Steve's point was. As we went back and forth, I'm not sure he did either. If it was that black inner city kids play less soccer, then yeah, sure. I imagine without open space to run it would be pretty hard.
If they wanted to play it, they would play it, open space or not. They play stickball in the streets. They just don't care about it.
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I also figured you could break sports into how much Athleticism and how much Skill they take.You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
Cross Country running really doesn't take much skill, but it takes a ton of athleticism.
Golf doesn't take much athleticism, but it takes a lot of skill.
Most other sports fall within that spectrum.
Also,
#RespectTheHustle
I also figured you could break sports into how much Athleticism and how much Skill they take.
You can...but that was NOT the issue.
Cross Country running really doesn't take much skill, but it takes a ton of athleticism.
Golf doesn't take much athleticism, but it takes a lot of skill.
Most other sports fall within that spectrum.
Also,
#RespectTheHustle
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Yes, exactly, all of the data and evidence I have presented is now incorrect because I do not enjoy watching baseball. You got me... There's your out...
Actually...you jest...but I think that is EXACTLY correct.
What, your graph listing "olympics" as a sport? Really?
Are you still continuing to be a little cunt about that? People like the Olympics as the smorgasboard of sport.
And even then, it does nothing to rebut the growing popularity of soccer and falling popularity of baseball.
It doesn't have to. It stands on its own.
And again, you provided no evidence to support the new claims you made.
I don't need new evidence. The old evidence is sufficient. In a court you don't need 100 character witnesses when 1 or 2 quality ones will do.
Gipper: "I'm right because I say so!"
Haha, sure thing.
It doesn't "stand on its own". If you are going to make a claim, back it up.
The data I presented isn't false now you dumbass. If you really think it is, you should be able to post your own rebutting it. Which I have invited you numerous times to do.
"I don't need new evidence". That would imply you had evidence to begun with. You haven't even attempted to support the majority of your claims...
It is like you learned about sources and evidence from the same place as half of the political board ...
Gipper: "I'm right because I say so!"
Haha, sure thing.
I am right because I am right.
It doesn't "stand on its own". If you are going to make a claim, back it up.
I did. Your problem if you missed it.
The data I presented isn't false now you dumbass. If you really think it is, you should be able to post your own rebutting it. Which I have invited you numerous times to do.
I didn't say it was false....I said your conclusions are false.
"I don't need new evidence". That would imply you had evidence to begun with. You haven't even attempted to support the majority of your claims...
I did...again, you must have missed it. Again...maybe we are talking apples and oranges.....but I made the point I intended to make.
I am not going to make it again just because you are too obtuse.
It is like you learned about sources and evidence from the same place as half of the political board ...
I learned about evidence in law school....and CLE.
You want to pay my retainer to teach you about it fine.....mail me a check.
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I also figured you could break sports into how much Athleticism and how much Skill they take.You'd be surprised at the amount of skill it takes to dribble and control a ball while sprinting at nearly full speed, then drop a 20 yard cross into the box in front of someone who is also running full speed. Or the amount of skill it takes to field a pass and drive a kick with your non-dominant foot.
Hell, I'd be surprised if half of you could manage to even attempt a kick on a rolling ball while running full speed.
I hate soccer because I'm terrible at it...but I respect the hustle. And I was a five sport athlete in high school...so I'm not necessarily lacking in the athletic talent department. It's simply a tough sport for some people to grasp.The amount of physical talent required to play the sport at a high level is no less than it is for any other sport, nor is it any greater.
The argument of what sport takes more skill is, and always has been, a stupid one. Each sport requires the same amount of skill and focus, just in different ways. Comparing the talent required to hit or throw a 95 MPH fastball with the talent it takes to kick or block a 65 MPH soccer ball is comparing apples and oranges.
Endurance is talent. Hand eye coordination is talent. Strategy retention is talent. All of it is talent - it's just different forms.
Cross Country running really doesn't take much skill, but it takes a ton of athleticism.
Golf doesn't take much athleticism, but it takes a lot of skill.
Most other sports fall within that spectrum.
Also,
#RespectTheHustle
I also figured you could break sports into how much Athleticism and how much Skill they take.
Cross Country running really doesn't take much skill, but it takes a ton of athleticism.
Golf doesn't take much athleticism, but it takes a lot of skill.
Most other sports fall within that spectrum.
Also,
#RespectTheHustle
I lump athleticism in under a the "skill" umbrella term, since they're not necessarily mutually exclusive. At the broadest level, all sports require different skills...athleticism is just one of them.
For golf, the skills are: mental acuity, emotional control, muscle control, knowledge, core strength, etc.
For soccer, the skills are: endurance, athleticism, speed, muscle control, etc.
For football, the skills are: athleticism, strength, speed, etc.
For baseball, the skills are: hand-eye coordination, strategy, muscle control, mental endurance, etc.
The skill sets are different for each sport, sure. Some require overall athleticism, some require more hand-eye coordination, some require more emotional and mental control, but they are incomparable skills and, as such, make the comparison of professional sports a true "apples and oranges" argument.
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I also figured you could break sports into how much Athleticism and how much Skill they take.
Cross Country running really doesn't take much skill, but it takes a ton of athleticism.
Golf doesn't take much athleticism, but it takes a lot of skill.
Most other sports fall within that spectrum.
Also,
#RespectTheHustle
I lump athleticism in under a the "skill" umbrella term, since they're not necessarily mutually exclusive. At the broadest level, all sports require different skills...athleticism is just one of them.
For golf, the skills are: mental acuity, emotional control, muscle control, knowledge, core strength, etc.
For soccer, the skills are: endurance, athleticism, speed, muscle control, etc.
For football, the skills are: athleticism, strength, speed, etc.
For baseball, the skills are: hand-eye coordination, strategy, muscle control, mental endurance, etc.
The skill sets are different for each sport, sure. Some require overall athleticism, some require more hand-eye coordination, some require more emotional and mental control, but they are incomparable skills and, as such, make the comparison of professional sports a true "apples and oranges" argument.
I lump athleticism in under a the "skill" umbrella term, since they're not necessarily mutually exclusive. At the broadest level, all sports require different skills...athleticism is just one of them.
For golf, the skills are: mental acuity, emotional control, muscle control, knowledge, core strength, etc.
For soccer, the skills are: endurance, athleticism, speed, muscle control, etc.
For football, the skills are: athleticism, strength, speed, etc.
For baseball, the skills are: hand-eye coordination, strategy, muscle control, mental endurance, etc.
The skill sets are different for each sport, sure. Some require overall athleticism, some require more hand-eye coordination, some require more emotional and mental control, but they are incomparable skills and, as such, make the comparison of professional sports a true "apples and oranges" argument.
Except when you have athletes that crossover. I don't know of a single soccer player that would has played Football, Basketball, Baseball or Hockey at a high collegiate/professional level. However I am aware of Charlie Ward, Deion Sanders, Bo Jackson, Dave Winfield, Jimmy Graham, Danny Ainge, etc..
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You reject my conclusion that baseball is dying and soccer is growing. You have said that baseball is just as popular with kids as soccer. I am waiting to see any evidence to help support these claims.
What determines how dangerous a sport is? Are we just talking youth or overall? Is it the number of absolute worst injuries in a sport (death) or the number of injuries overall? Is it concussions, because the chances of suffering a concussion in soccer is much higher than baseball (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2987636/). I didn't bring up "danger", I was responding to what Steve said. Is danger just overall injury rate? In that case:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1941297/
Now, this is where you post anecdotal evidence about your kids or something, and act like you've proven a point. Go ahead...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I lump athleticism in under a the "skill" umbrella term, since they're not necessarily mutually exclusive. At the broadest level, all sports require different skills...athleticism is just one of them.
For golf, the skills are: mental acuity, emotional control, muscle control, knowledge, core strength, etc.
For soccer, the skills are: endurance, athleticism, speed, muscle control, etc.
For football, the skills are: athleticism, strength, speed, etc.
For baseball, the skills are: hand-eye coordination, strategy, muscle control, mental endurance, etc.
The skill sets are different for each sport, sure. Some require overall athleticism, some require more hand-eye coordination, some require more emotional and mental control, but they are incomparable skills and, as such, make the comparison of professional sports a true "apples and oranges" argument.
Except when you have athletes that crossover. I don't know of a single soccer player that would has played Football, Basketball, Baseball or Hockey at a high collegiate/professional level. However I am aware of Charlie Ward, Deion Sanders, Bo Jackson, Dave Winfield, Jimmy Graham, Danny Ainge, etc..
Except when you have athletes that crossover. I don't know of a single soccer player that would has played Football, Basketball, Baseball or Hockey at a high collegiate/professional level. However I am aware of Charlie Ward, Deion Sanders, Bo Jackson, Dave Winfield, Jimmy Graham, Danny Ainge, etc..
Becaus the skills aren't as transferable from soccer to football as they are from basketball to football. It's going from a predominantly endurance-based, lower body dominated sport to a quick burst, power-based primarily upper body dominated sport.
And before you get off on it being a "whole body" sport, its not. It requires core and lower body strength, but the majority of skill and technique is hand-eye coordination.
I can't recall many NFL players making the leap to professional organized soccer, either.
As an added benefit, almost none of the people you mentioned were proficient at both sports. Some were barely proficient at one.
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Except when you have athletes that crossover. I don't know of a single soccer player that would has played Football, Basketball, Baseball or Hockey at a high collegiate/professional level. However I am aware of Charlie Ward, Deion Sanders, Bo Jackson, Dave Winfield, Jimmy Graham, Danny Ainge, etc..
Becaus the skills aren't as transferable from soccer to football as they are from basketball to football. It's going from a predominantly endurance-based, lower body dominated sport to a quick burst, power-based primarily upper body dominated sport.
And before you get off on it being a "whole body" sport, its not. It requires core and lower body strength, but the majority of skill and technique is hand-eye coordination.
I can't recall many NFL players making the leap to professional organized soccer, either.
As an added benefit, almost none of the people you mentioned were proficient at both sports. Some were barely proficient at one.
Becaus the skills aren't as transferable from soccer to football as they are from basketball to football. It's going from a predominantly endurance-based, lower body dominated sport to a quick burst, power-based primarily upper body dominated sport.
And before you get off on it being a "whole body" sport, its not. It requires core and lower body strength, but the majority of skill and technique is hand-eye coordination.
I can't recall many NFL players making the leap to professional organized soccer, either.
As an added benefit, almost none of the people you mentioned were proficient at both sports. Some were barely proficient at one.
Chad Johnson tried out for KC Sporting once, and he came away realizing he didn't have the conditioning required.
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