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  • If Desir is the #4 CB, does that mean K'Waun is now practicing with the safeties? if not.. he should be..

    Glad to hear Gilbert is finally acting like a professional

  • If Desir is the #4 CB, does that mean K'Waun is now practicing with the safeties? if not.. he should be..

    Glad to hear Gilbert is finally acting like a professional

    @unsympathetic said:

    If Desir is the #4 CB, does that mean K'Waun is now practicing with the safeties? if not.. he should be..

    Glad to hear Gilbert is finally acting like a professional

    #1 slot. Desir is #4 outside.

  • Does anybody remember Buster Skrine first season with Haden...Gilbert will be fine and prove his draft slot IMO...

    @gumby73 said:

    Does anybody remember Buster Skrine first season with Haden...Gilbert will be fine and prove his draft slot IMO...

    Great post here, what I was coming to say. Look, Gilbert had an attitude problem coming into the league, there's no doubt about it. But, in a similar vein to Manziel, he got humbled in a big way throughout the season. Going back to Skrine though, I'd make the bigger argument the CB is the hardest position outside of QB to transition to in today's NFL. I'm excited and hopeful Gilbert has worked hard to get better and becomes the player he can be. His athletic ability is through the roof, just gotta make it work between the ears.

  • @unsympathetic said:

    If Desir is the #4 CB, does that mean K'Waun is now practicing with the safeties? if not.. he should be..

    Glad to hear Gilbert is finally acting like a professional

    #1 slot. Desir is #4 outside.

    @gftchris said:

    #1 slot. Desir is #4 outside.

    yep...Kwaun = nickle back(slot)....

    RCB: Tramon Williams (Justin Gilbert)

    LCB: Joe Haden (Pierre Desir)

    SCB: Kwaun Williams (Tramon Williams)

  • @gftchris said:

    #1 slot. Desir is #4 outside.

    yep...Kwaun = nickle back(slot)....

    RCB: Tramon Williams (Justin Gilbert)

    LCB: Joe Haden (Pierre Desir)

    SCB: Kwaun Williams (Tramon Williams)

    @mudfly said:

    yep...Kwaun = nickle back(slot)....

    RCB: Tramon Williams (Justin Gilbert)

    LCB: Joe Haden (Pierre Desir)

    SCB: Kwaun Williams (Tramon Williams)

    You can probably count on one hand the number of snaps we'll play with only two CBs per game. Last year we were playing with as many as 6 or 7 at times.

  • Yep.....they L-O-V-E nickle & dime D's........live and die by it really.....

  • If Gilbert plays like a 1st round draft pick this year, (let alone a top 10 pick) our defense should be able to get the heck off the field on 3rd down pretty consistently.

  • If Gilbert plays like a 1st round draft pick this year, (let alone a top 10 pick) our defense should be able to get the heck off the field on 3rd down pretty consistently.

    @d-bone said:

    If Gilbert plays like a 1st round draft pick this year, (let alone a top 10 pick) our defense should be able to get the heck off the field on 3rd down pretty consistently.

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  • If Gilbert plays like a 1st round draft pick this year, (let alone a top 10 pick) our defense should be able to get the heck off the field on 3rd down pretty consistently.

    @d-bone said:

    If Gilbert plays like a 1st round draft pick this year, (let alone a top 10 pick) our defense should be able to get the heck off the field on 3rd down pretty consistently.

    Yes!

    and, I think, we'll even get off the field on 1st and 2nd down more frequently too.....#morepickoffs

    @gftchris said:

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    ??.....what are you trying to say?.....😉

  • @d-bone said:

    If Gilbert plays like a 1st round draft pick this year, (let alone a top 10 pick) our defense should be able to get the heck off the field on 3rd down pretty consistently.

    Yes!

    and, I think, we'll even get off the field on 1st and 2nd down more frequently too.....#morepickoffs

    @gftchris said:

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    @mudfly said:

    Yes!

    and, I think, we'll even get off the field on 1st and 2nd down more frequently too.....#morepickoffs

    ??.....what are you trying to say?..... 😉

    That our DBs weren't the reason we didn't get off on third down last year...

  • Stopping the run is an obvious fix that is priority #1 and between the players added and the coaches seeing what the main issues were, and promising to correct them, I feel good about them being at least a middle of the road run defense.

    That should lead to a fair amount of 3rd and 5s this year, and with our lack of QB pressure that I'm again expecting, the DBs are going to need to ball out, and we need all of them to ball out, not just #23. 😎

  • Stopping the run is an obvious fix that is priority #1 and between the players added and the coaches seeing what the main issues were, and promising to correct them, I feel good about them being at least a middle of the road run defense.

    That should lead to a fair amount of 3rd and 5s this year, and with our lack of QB pressure that I'm again expecting, the DBs are going to need to ball out, and we need all of them to ball out, not just #23. 😎

    @d-bone said:

    Stopping the run is an obvious fix that is priority #1 and between the players added and the coaches seeing what the main issues were, and promising to correct them, I feel good about them being at least a middle of the road run defense.

    That should lead to a fair amount of 3rd and 5s this year, and with our lack of QB pressure that I'm again expecting, the DBs are going to need to ball out, and we need all of them to ball out, not just #23. 😎

    Problem was, at 3rd & 5 teams would still run against us 🙁

  • yep....and they're gonna continue to run HARD against us .....

    #1) until we prove they cant....

    and

    #2) because passing will not be a good option for them...ever

  • To be honest though, the difference between an elite rush defence and a bottom-feeding rush defence is about 50 ypg. The difference between an elite secondary and a bottom-feeding secondary is nearer 200 ypg. If we're going to be great at one and poor at the other, better it's this way around.

  • @d-bone said:

    Stopping the run is an obvious fix that is priority #1 and between the players added and the coaches seeing what the main issues were, and promising to correct them, I feel good about them being at least a middle of the road run defense.

    That should lead to a fair amount of 3rd and 5s this year, and with our lack of QB pressure that I'm again expecting, the DBs are going to need to ball out, and we need all of them to ball out, not just #23. 😎

    Problem was, at 3rd & 5 teams would still run against us 🙁

    @gftchris said:

    Problem was, at 3rd & 5 teams would still run against us 🙁

    The problem was that we had 75% of our defensive line out with injury at any given point in time.

    Avoid the injuries, the run defense drastically improves.

  • @gftchris said:

    Problem was, at 3rd & 5 teams would still run against us 🙁

    The problem was that we had 75% of our defensive line out with injury at any given point in time.

    Avoid the injuries, the run defense drastically improves.

    @the-gipper said:

    The problem was that we had 75% of our defensive line out with injury at any given point in time.

    Avoid the injuries, the run defense drastically improves.

    Relying on injuries to disappear is not a great strategy.

  • @the-gipper said:

    The problem was that we had 75% of our defensive line out with injury at any given point in time.

    Avoid the injuries, the run defense drastically improves.

    Relying on injuries to disappear is not a great strategy.

    @gftchris said:

    Relying on injuries to disappear is not a great strategy.

    That's why they added depth among the front 3 (or 4).

    Right now we have 13 players on the roster along the defensive line.

    Shelton

    Taylor

    Starks

    D. Bryant

    A. Bryant

    Winn

    Wynn

    Slater

    Hughes

    Cooper

    Kitchen

    Meder

    Tupou

    Even with A. Bryant supposedly taking a prominent role at OLB, and four or so players getting released, that's still solid depth with solid talent. Shelton, Taylor, Starks, Winn and maybe Hughes could start for most of the league. D. Bryant would probably be a starter for at least half of the teams. Cooper and Slater are athletic freaks with high upside. Kitchen would probably start as a true NT for around 1/3 of the league.

    We raised the ceiling by adding Shelton and Starks, and then raised the floor with Cooper and Slater. Even if we lost our starting three, we'd be in a better position than we were last year.

  • Absolutely, we've iimprobed there in terms of depth and talent,we didn't just rely on guys getting healthy, which would have been a bad strategy.

    I wasn't trying to say that's what we were doing, so sorry if that is how it came across

  • @d-bone said:

    If Gilbert plays like a 1st round draft pick this year, (let alone a top 10 pick) our defense should be able to get the heck off the field on 3rd down pretty consistently.

    Yes!

    and, I think, we'll even get off the field on 1st and 2nd down more frequently too.....#morepickoffs

    @gftchris said:

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    @mudfly said:

    ??.....what are you trying to say?..... 😉

    Kaopectate?

    @gftchris said:

    To be honest though, the difference between an elite rush defence and a bottom-feeding rush defence is about 50 ypg. The difference between an elite secondary and a bottom-feeding secondary is nearer 200 ypg. If we're going to be great at one and poor at the other, better it's this way around.

    Yeah, but...

    The ramifications of being as poor against the run as we were last year (league worst) far exceed the yardages. Time of possession immediately springs to mind. Sustained drives feature successful running leading to fatigued D leading to D injuries leading to even further reduced ability to stop the run.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    We raised the ceiling by adding Shelton and Starks, and then raised the floor with Cooper and Slater.

    Interesting take. Had not thought of it in those terms.

  • Bottom line is stopping the run on first down makes an offense a lot more predictable on 2nd-3rd down. I'm really hopeful our front 7 can be a lot better and we can go into more nickel/dime in longer down situations.