Browns trade for Pro-bowl punter
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I bet McCown out plays Hoyer, and if he can, we should be in good shape............. As long as we can consistently stop the run, and then get off the field on 3rd down that is. If we don't do both of those things well, it's going to be a frustrating year.
I just don't see McCown being worse than Brian.
I don't see him being worse than Hoyer, but I also don't see him being much better, either. As a matter of fact, I feel like they'll be just about the same, when all is said and done.
If I had to throw some stats on it, I'd go for a season like:
238 completions - 408 attempts | 58.3% | 2,703 yds. | 15 TD | 14 INT | 76.2 Rating
I don't see him being worse than Hoyer, but I also don't see him being much better, either. As a matter of fact, I feel like they'll be just about the same, when all is said and done.
Cant disagree here....though I would say that Hoyer was pretty good weeks 1 thru 10, then was fairly terrible for his last 5 starts.....
So, while I dont expect McCown to be notably better than Hoyer was(weeks 1-10), I do expect him to be more consistent....and less likely to get rattled like Hoyer did......
Hoping all those extra years of experience get him(and us) through the tough times with better results.....(fingers crossed)...
I sure as hell hope we have more than 2700 yds passing though......yikes!
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
Interesting take on the impact paying a Punter a Mil-a-year more than his predecessor will have on negotiations with Gip...
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I don't see him being worse than Hoyer, but I also don't see him being much better, either. As a matter of fact, I feel like they'll be just about the same, when all is said and done.
Cant disagree here....though I would say that Hoyer was pretty good weeks 1 thru 10, then was fairly terrible for his last 5 starts.....
So, while I dont expect McCown to be notably better than Hoyer was(weeks 1-10), I do expect him to be more consistent....and less likely to get rattled like Hoyer did......
Hoping all those extra years of experience get him(and us) through the tough times with better results.....(fingers crossed)...
I sure as hell hope we have more than 2700 yds passing though......yikes!
Cant disagree here....though I would say that Hoyer was pretty good weeks 1 thru 10, then was fairly terrible for his last 5 starts.....
So, while I dont expect McCown to be notably better than Hoyer was(weeks 1-10), I do expect him to be more consistent....and less likely to get rattled like Hoyer did......
Hoping all those extra years of experience get him(and us) through the tough times with better results.....(fingers crossed)...
I sure as hell hope we have more than 2700 yds passing though......yikes!
Those stats were McCown's average game (taken by dividing his yards/completions/TDs/INTs by his number of games) extrapolated over a 17 game season.
It would be a more precise average if I removed the stats from games he didn't start, but I just didn't have that kind of time. It was a rush job.
Either way, I exoect us to hover around the 3,000 yard mark, if preseason has been any indication.
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yeah....got no issue with the stats prediction other than it's way less than Id hope to see from an improved team.......
But...assuming our O line is back and we have improvement at RB and WR...and that we had 3600 yds passing last year, then 2700 yds in 16 games would be a big drop off(way worse)....wouldnt it?
If it happens, then I at least hope we add an extra 1000 or 2 to our running stats.....or we are in HUGE trouble.....
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yeah....got no issue with the stats prediction other than it's way less than Id hope to see from an improved team.......
But...assuming our O line is back and we have improvement at RB and WR...and that we had 3600 yds passing last year, then 2700 yds in 16 games would be a big drop off(way worse)....wouldnt it?
If it happens, then I at least hope we add an extra 1000 or 2 to our running stats.....or we are in HUGE trouble.....
yeah....got no issue with the stats prediction other than it's way less than Id hope to see from an improved team.......
But...assuming our O line is back and we have improvement at RB and WR...and that we had 3600 yds passing last year, then 2700 yds in 16 games would be a big drop off(way worse)....wouldnt it?
If it happens, then I at least hope we add an extra 1000 or 2 to our running stats.....or we are in HUGE trouble.....
I agree. We'll be in major trouble if the yardage isn't made up somewhere. I'd love to see us lead the league in rushing yards this season.
A studly defense should contribute to better field position, meaning less yards for our offense to travel. Same goes for a better return game.
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Considering that we are now at least one injury deep in the O-line, bumping last year's rushing total by 20-40% looks very doable.
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Considering that we are now at least one injury deep in the O-line, bumping last year's rushing total by 20-40% looks very doable.
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Are we sure we'll be running as much with the new OC? Isn't Shanahan kind of a run game extraordinaire (if nothing else)? There are certainly reasons to think we will well outdo our run game totals from last year, I'm just wondering if Flip will even keep the run volume just as high.
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I'll bet he doesn't run on first down most all the time.
that will be a breath of fresh air.
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Are we sure we'll be running as much with the new OC? Isn't Shanahan kind of a run game extraordinaire (if nothing else)? There are certainly reasons to think we will well outdo our run game totals from last year, I'm just wondering if Flip will even keep the run volume just as high.
Are we sure we'll be running as much with the new OC? Isn't Shanahan kind of a run game extraordinaire (if nothing else)? There are certainly reasons to think we will well outdo our run game totals from last year, I'm just wondering if Flip will even keep the run volume just as high.
We won't be running as frequently, no. Oakland finished dead last in the league last year in rushing percentage - only rushing on like 38% of plays.
However, I don't think that's indicative of what will happen this year, I put us more in the 45-48% range. You have to remember that Oakland's backfield was a mess last year. MJD got hurt, DMC was garbage (and also hurt, I believe), and Latavius Murray ended up taking over.
I think we'll see a more creative rushing game, with a higher YPA, and a rather even distribution of carries (unless someone absolutely takes off).
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Yup... in OAK they were pass happy out of necessity. It's not what earned Flip his shot here.
I'll take the over, TC... I can see us running even more than we did last year.
Two reasons:
- Pet sets the tone and his OC will march to his orders... especially if when the D improves over last year.
- With the depth added to the O-line we will run more effectively even should the 6th man be "up".
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From OTA notes... http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/5-observations-from-Browns-OTAs/92eab669-eb5d-443e-aab7-70d3a6202a1c
1) Andy Lee can absolutely boom the football
Clevelandโs new punter hit the 70-yard marker on at least two of his punts, prompting return men to jokingly complain if he could take some heat off the ball. Coach Mike Pettine said it was a tough choice to let Spencer Lanning go, but the Browns believe Lee provides an upgrade to the punting position.
โIt was difficult, but thatโs life in the NFL,โ Pettine said. โWe felt we had an opportunity to make our team better. There was a Pro Bowl punter out there and we felt the cost associated was obviously very manageable.โ
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Yup... in OAK they were pass happy out of necessity. It's not what earned Flip his shot here.
I'll take the over, TC... I can see us running even more than we did last year.
Two reasons:
- Pet sets the tone and his OC will march to his orders... especially if when the D improves over last year.
- With the depth added to the O-line we will run more effectively even should the 6th man be "up".
Yup... in OAK they were pass happy out of necessity. It's not what earned Flip his shot here.
Agreed.......wasnt Flip only the QB coach at Oakland?.......I wouldnt think he was the source of their offensive philosophy....
It's been my impression that he was adopting much of the O scheme we already had in place, with a few of his own twists.....as opposed to bringing us Oaklands O scheme.....that way we weren't learning a whole new system again.....
TCPO......you're starting to make me nervous with the offensive predictions...HA!....1000 less yards passing AND 10% less running?.....
Im hoping for increased offense(both pass and rush), boosted by more opportunities due to improved defense......fingers crossed
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Yup... in OAK they were pass happy out of necessity. It's not what earned Flip his shot here.
Agreed.......wasnt Flip only the QB coach at Oakland?.......I wouldnt think he was the source of their offensive philosophy....
It's been my impression that he was adopting much of the O scheme we already had in place, with a few of his own twists.....as opposed to bringing us Oaklands O scheme.....that way we weren't learning a whole new system again.....
TCPO......you're starting to make me nervous with the offensive predictions...HA!....1000 less yards passing AND 10% less running?.....
Im hoping for increased offense(both pass and rush), boosted by more opportunities due to improved defense......fingers crossed
Agreed.......wasnt Flip only the QB coach at Oakland?.......I wouldnt think he was the source of their offensive philosophy....
It's been my impression that he was adopting much of the O scheme we already had in place, with a few of his own twists.....as opposed to bringing us Oaklands O scheme.....that way we weren't learning a whole new system again.....
TCPO......you're starting to make me nervous with the offensive predictions...HA!....1000 less yards passing AND 10% less running?.....
Im hoping for increased offense(both pass and rush), boosted by more opportunities due to improved defense......fingers crossed
I don't think we'll have 10% less running. On the contrary, I was saying we'll have 10-15% more running that Flip showed in Oakland.
My McCown prediction was based solely off of his career averages, nothing else. Probably an underrepresentation, considering everything else we've discussed recently.
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No biggy...I guess I misunderstood what you said.....we ran about 47-48% last year and I thought you said we were gonna run less on the first line...but now I see it says different on line 2....just a lil confusing for me thats all.....
No biggy...I guess I misunderstood what you said.....we ran about 47-48% last year and I thought you said we were gonna run less on the first line...but now I see it says different on line 2....just a lil confusing for me thats all.....
I'm all over the place. No worries.
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I'm all over the place. No worries.
None at all.....I have no clue what'll happen either, but here's what Im hoping for.....
1) Better Defense, that will afford us more offensive opportunities....
2) Better ball control once we are on offense, that will get us more plays(and, of course, scores)...
So, if those 2 things happen(big if, I understand)......then I'd hope for increases in both our passing and rushing totals....using last years #'s as a guideline and a modest increase in opportunities, here's my wild guess....
Passing....approx 530 attempts @ 7.3 yds for 3800 total yards.....
Rushing....approx 520 attempts @ 4.3 yds for 2200 total yards....
I think this would be a realistic increase, and while still middle of the pack kind of numbers, probably more than good enough for a really strong defensive team....
Fingers crossed
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