Cleveland Browns Rumors: Ray Rice Signed if Isaiah Crowell, Terrance West Struggle?
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Yeah, let's bring in a broken down RB with a history of clobbering ladies. I don't believe this at all.
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If necessary, go ahead.
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Btw good job with the meticulousness specifying the source(s). Very helpful.
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no way possible. nothing about his assault on his wife.........but his numbers were going down 3 years ago. unless he has some miraculous resurrecting surge of productiveness why would you even ponder this?
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Maybe the best route, Z, (certainly the easiest), but I don't feel the revulsion I did a year ago. If the team leaders said they, and the locker room in general, were OK with signing him, then I think I'd be ready to accept his signing.
And with only one bad season, 2013, leading a team that simply could not run in YPC while playing hurt most of the season (plus a year's worth of refresh), I don't see Rice as "broken down".
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John Clayton has obviously been sent back to his bedroom to smoke pot and listen to Seether Albums again.. Rice, The Cowboys are all set-up for your arrival at any time. Welker, Seahawks maybe your last Ring.. ( I do believe P. Taylor owes Rice a spit in the face and he's not going to take it like his fiancé in the locker room)..Zing Zing!!
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Maybe the best route, Z, (certainly the easiest), but I don't feel the revulsion I did a year ago. If the team leaders said they, and the locker room in general, were OK with signing him, then I think I'd be ready to accept his signing.
And with only one bad season, 2013, leading a team that simply could not run in YPC while playing hurt most of the season (plus a year's worth of refresh), I don't see Rice as "broken down".
Maybe the best route, Z, (certainly the easiest), but I don't feel the revulsion I did a year ago. If the team leaders said they, and the locker room in general, were OK with signing him, then I think I'd be ready to accept his signing.And with only one bad season, 2013, leading a team that simply could not run in YPC while playing hurt most of the season (plus a year's worth of refresh), I don't see Rice as "broken down".
One bad season for a running back = you're done.
He would be the fourth most effective rb in our camp, why is this a conversation?
Z
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Maybe the best route, Z, (certainly the easiest), but I don't feel the revulsion I did a year ago. If the team leaders said they, and the locker room in general, were OK with signing him, then I think I'd be ready to accept his signing.And with only one bad season, 2013, leading a team that simply could not run in YPC while playing hurt most of the season (plus a year's worth of refresh), I don't see Rice as "broken down".
One bad season for a running back = you're done.
He would be the fourth most effective rb in our camp, why is this a conversation?
Z
I'd love to know how you can rank any one of our RB's ahead of him.Zombo said:
One bad season for a running back = you're done.
He would be the fourth most effective rb in our camp, why is this a conversation?
Z
He's a 28 year old 3 time Pro Bowler and his "down year" was still better than either Crow's or West's only season.
I think you're letting your personal opinion of him get in the way.
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I'd love to know how you can rank any one of our RB's ahead of him.Zombo said:
One bad season for a running back = you're done.
He would be the fourth most effective rb in our camp, why is this a conversation?
Z
He's a 28 year old 3 time Pro Bowler and his "down year" was still better than either Crow's or West's only season.
I think you're letting your personal opinion of him get in the way.
I'd love to know how you can rank any one of our RB's ahead of him.
He's a 28 year old 3 time Pro Bowler and his "down year" was still better than either Crow's or West's only season.
I think you're letting your personal opinion of him get in the way.
I'm letting my personal opinion of him get in the way of my personal opinion of him?
My personal opinion of him is that he was great in 2011, he was good in 2012, and he was awful in 2013. Not a good trend for running backs.
3.1 yards per carry in 2013. I think that is what Willis McGahee had too that year, so you really expect him to be better than West and Crowell, two young stud backs who are already averaging way more carry than West's last season?
Name me a running back that went from a 1,000 yard season to a 600 yard, 3.1 ypc type season, and then came back to be a stud again. Name one. He'd be the fourth back in camp, and you know it.
Z
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Don't know how comparable it is but Lynch went 737/3.6 in 2010. 450/3.8 in 09.
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It was Slayer.
My Bad, You right. I pulled a Clayton, may have been twisted myself. No Wink here..
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I'd love to know how you can rank any one of our RB's ahead of him.
He's a 28 year old 3 time Pro Bowler and his "down year" was still better than either Crow's or West's only season.
I think you're letting your personal opinion of him get in the way.
I'm letting my personal opinion of him get in the way of my personal opinion of him?
My personal opinion of him is that he was great in 2011, he was good in 2012, and he was awful in 2013. Not a good trend for running backs.
3.1 yards per carry in 2013. I think that is what Willis McGahee had too that year, so you really expect him to be better than West and Crowell, two young stud backs who are already averaging way more carry than West's last season?
Name me a running back that went from a 1,000 yard season to a 600 yard, 3.1 ypc type season, and then came back to be a stud again. Name one. He'd be the fourth back in camp, and you know it.
Z
Zombo said:
I'm letting my personal opinion of him get in the way of my personal opinion of him?
My personal opinion of him is that he was great in 2011, he was good in 2012, and he was awful in 2013. Not a good trend for running backs.
3.1 yards per carry in 2013. I think that is what Willis McGahee had too that year, so you really expect him to be better than West and Crowell, two young stud backs who are already averaging way more carry than West's last season?
Name me a running back that went from a 1,000 yard season to a 600 yard, 3.1 ypc type season, and then came back to be a stud again. Name one. He'd be the fourth back in camp, and you know it.
Z
You're letting your personal opinion get in the way of facts. His 3.1 yards per carry were only slightly worse than West's 3.8. Crowell was only at 4.1. It's not like either of or two backs had a Latavius Murray-esque 5.8 YPC breakout year. Calling them "two studs" is something of a stretch. They may be "studs" for Cleveland, but compared to the NFL, they are slightly above average.
As for RB's who had down years...
Marshall Faulk '96
Earl Campbell '82
OJ '69 - '71
Lynch '09 -'11
That took me two minutes. All of them had low 3 YPC, sub 1000 yard seasons. Came back to be completely fine. I'm sure there are many more.
Rice is proven to be better than anyone we have in our backfield at this current moment.
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Speaking of Baltimore: this sent to me by a friend.
The coach had put together the perfect team for the Baltimore Ravens. The only thing that was missing was a good quarterback. He had scouted all the colleges and even the Canadian and European Leagues, but he couldn't find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl win.Then one night while watching CNN he saw a war-zone scene in the West Bank . In one corner of the background, he spotted a young Israeli soldier with a truly incredible arm. He threw a hand-grenade straight into a 15th story window 100 yards away.
KABOOM!
He threw another hand-grenade 75 yards away, right into a chimney.
KA-BLOOEY!
Then he threw another at a passing car going 90 mph.
BULLS-EYE!
"I've got to get this guy!" Coach said to himself. "He has the perfect Arm!"
So, he brings him to the States and teaches him the great game of football. And the Ravens go on to win the Super Bowl.
The young man is hailed as the great hero of football, and when the coach asks him what he wants, all the young man wants is to call his
Mother.
"Mom," he says into the phone, "I just won the Super Bowl!"
"I don't want to talk to you, the old woman says." You are not my son!"
"I don't think you understand, Mother," the young man pleads. "I've won the greatest sporting event in the world. I'm here among thousands of my adoring fans."
"No! Let me tell you!" his mother retorts. "At this very moment, there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a pile of rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so she doesn't get raped!" The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says,...
"I will never forgive you for making us move to Baltimore
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Zombo said:
I'm letting my personal opinion of him get in the way of my personal opinion of him?
My personal opinion of him is that he was great in 2011, he was good in 2012, and he was awful in 2013. Not a good trend for running backs.
3.1 yards per carry in 2013. I think that is what Willis McGahee had too that year, so you really expect him to be better than West and Crowell, two young stud backs who are already averaging way more carry than West's last season?
Name me a running back that went from a 1,000 yard season to a 600 yard, 3.1 ypc type season, and then came back to be a stud again. Name one. He'd be the fourth back in camp, and you know it.
Z
You're letting your personal opinion get in the way of facts. His 3.1 yards per carry were only slightly worse than West's 3.8. Crowell was only at 4.1. It's not like either of or two backs had a Latavius Murray-esque 5.8 YPC breakout year. Calling them "two studs" is something of a stretch. They may be "studs" for Cleveland, but compared to the NFL, they are slightly above average.
As for RB's who had down years...
Marshall Faulk '96
Earl Campbell '82
OJ '69 - '71
Lynch '09 -'11
That took me two minutes. All of them had low 3 YPC, sub 1000 yard seasons. Came back to be completely fine. I'm sure there are many more.
Rice is proven to be better than anyone we have in our backfield at this current moment.
You're letting your personal opinion get in the way of facts. His 3.1 yards per carry were only slightly worse than West's 3.8. Crowell was only at 4.1. It's not like either of or two backs had a Latavius Murray-esque 5.8 YPC breakout year. Calling them "two studs" is something of a stretch. They may be "studs" for Cleveland, but compared to the NFL, they are slightly above average.
As for RB's who had down years...
Marshall Faulk '96
Earl Campbell '82
OJ '69 - '71
Lynch '09 -'11
That took me two minutes. All of them had low 3 YPC, sub 1000 yard seasons. Came back to be completely fine. I'm sure there are many more.
Rice is proven to be better than anyone we have in our backfield at this current moment.
My personal opinion is that the facts speak for themselves. 3.1 per carry is awful and much worse than West's 3.9 or Crow's 4.1, and he did it on on a better team with a legit passing game.
As for your super two-minute examples:
Marshall Faulk had a toe injury that year, we was 23, he bounced back.
Earl Campbell had only one decent year left in him and was washed up at 29
O.J. ? Those were the beginning of his career, not the end ... dismissed. (I asked for 1,000 yard rushers who slumped as badly as Rice and came back as studs)
Lynch I'll give you, but again, he was 23 ... it wasn't that he was declining, he hadn't found himself yet.
Rice is 28. 28.
You want to compare him to a 23 year old Marshall Faulk, O.J. Simpson or Marshawn Lynch?
His workhorse days are over. He can be a third down back for someone, but we drafted for that position, so ... sorry, wrong team.
Zombo
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Maybe the best route, Z, (certainly the easiest), but I don't feel the revulsion I did a year ago. If the team leaders said they, and the locker room in general, were OK with signing him, then I think I'd be ready to accept his signing.And with only one bad season, 2013, leading a team that simply could not run in YPC while playing hurt most of the season (plus a year's worth of refresh), I don't see Rice as "broken down".
One bad season for a running back = you're done.
He would be the fourth most effective rb in our camp, why is this a conversation?
Z
Zombo said:
One bad season for a running back = you're done.
He would be the fourth most effective rb in our camp, why is this a conversation?
Z
It has been 2 years since Rice has been reasonably productive. Between West, Crowell, Johnson they should get the job done.
I am not sure at this point that Rice could be any better than Shaun Draughn, Luke Lundy, Glen Winston....the other RBs on the roster.
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Speaking of Baltimore: this sent to me by a friend.
The coach had put together the perfect team for the Baltimore Ravens. The only thing that was missing was a good quarterback. He had scouted all the colleges and even the Canadian and European Leagues, but he couldn't find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl win.Then one night while watching CNN he saw a war-zone scene in the West Bank . In one corner of the background, he spotted a young Israeli soldier with a truly incredible arm. He threw a hand-grenade straight into a 15th story window 100 yards away.
KABOOM!
He threw another hand-grenade 75 yards away, right into a chimney.
KA-BLOOEY!
Then he threw another at a passing car going 90 mph.
BULLS-EYE!
"I've got to get this guy!" Coach said to himself. "He has the perfect Arm!"
So, he brings him to the States and teaches him the great game of football. And the Ravens go on to win the Super Bowl.
The young man is hailed as the great hero of football, and when the coach asks him what he wants, all the young man wants is to call his
Mother.
"Mom," he says into the phone, "I just won the Super Bowl!"
"I don't want to talk to you, the old woman says." You are not my son!"
"I don't think you understand, Mother," the young man pleads. "I've won the greatest sporting event in the world. I'm here among thousands of my adoring fans."
"No! Let me tell you!" his mother retorts. "At this very moment, there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a pile of rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so she doesn't get raped!" The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says,...
"I will never forgive you for making us move to Baltimore
Speaking of Baltimore: this sent to me by a friend.
The coach had put together the perfect team for the Baltimore Ravens. The only thing that was missing was a good quarterback. He had scouted all the colleges and even the Canadian and European Leagues, but he couldn't find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl win.Then one night while watching CNN he saw a war-zone scene in the West Bank . In one corner of the background, he spotted a young Israeli soldier with a truly incredible arm. He threw a hand-grenade straight into a 15th story window 100 yards away.
KABOOM!
He threw another hand-grenade 75 yards away, right into a chimney.
KA-BLOOEY!
Then he threw another at a passing car going 90 mph.
BULLS-EYE!
"I've got to get this guy!" Coach said to himself. "He has the perfect Arm!"
So, he brings him to the States and teaches him the great game of football. And the Ravens go on to win the Super Bowl.
The young man is hailed as the great hero of football, and when the coach asks him what he wants, all the young man wants is to call his
Mother.
"Mom," he says into the phone, "I just won the Super Bowl!"
"I don't want to talk to you, the old woman says." You are not my son!"
"I don't think you understand, Mother," the young man pleads. "I've won the greatest sporting event in the world. I'm here among thousands of my adoring fans."
"No! Let me tell you!" his mother retorts. "At this very moment, there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a pile of rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so she doesn't get raped!" The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says,...
"I will never forgive you for making us move to Baltimore
My son came thisclose to moving to Baltimore for grad school. While I suspect that he probably would have been fine, I am glad at this point that he chose small town upstate NY instead.
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